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On August 07 2016 01:38 bardtown wrote:
But who knows, maybe TM quickly makes it very clear that she will take free market access with the 7-year immigration brake (with the intention of extending it at the end of the 7 years, no doubt), and losses will be minimised.
You're far from reality. The EU will not propose such a deal to the UK. It will mean the EU is finished if it does. So, forget about it. I've heard about this rumour, but it's all talk in my opinion.
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So the EU can't make a deal because it desperately wants to avoid compromising some of its least well-thought-out policies. Classic.
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Are you suggesting free movement is one of EU's least well-thought-out policies?
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On August 09 2016 08:17 LegalLord wrote:
So the EU can't make a deal because it desperately wants to avoid compromising some of its least well-thought-out policies. Classic.
You can leave, you know. No one forces you to be in EU or EEA. I don't like "ever closer union" as an idea, but some people exaggerate too much. It makes me support EU more.
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On August 09 2016 08:17 LegalLord wrote:
So the EU can't make a deal because it desperately wants to avoid compromising some of its least well-thought-out policies. Classic.
The EU can't make a deal that gives the UK everything or most of what they want. That would mean that other countries see that leaving the EU gives you the advantages of being in the EU without the stuff that you don't like. That would rip the EU apart.
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On August 09 2016 08:20 Dan HH wrote:
Are you suggesting free movement is one of EU's least well-thought-out policies?
Yes. I'll also directly state it if it wasn't clear enough.
On August 09 2016 08:21 Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 08:17 LegalLord wrote:
So the EU can't make a deal because it desperately wants to avoid compromising some of its least well-thought-out policies. Classic. You can leave, you know. No one forces you to be in EU or EEA. I don't like "ever closer union" as an idea, but some people exaggerate too much. It makes me support EU more.
"No one forces you" is a matter of opinion. Coercion in the form of the threat of obviously punitive measures if someone leaves might qualify as force.
On August 09 2016 08:22 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 08:17 LegalLord wrote:
So the EU can't make a deal because it desperately wants to avoid compromising some of its least well-thought-out policies. Classic. The EU can't make a deal that gives the UK everything or most of what they want. That would mean that other countries see that leaving the EU gives you the advantages of being in the EU without the stuff that you don't like. That would rip the EU apart.
Not too sure that's a bad thing. The EU could use some reform or risk being ripped apart right now by virtue of its rather poorly thought out policies.
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On August 09 2016 08:27 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 08:20 Dan HH wrote:
Are you suggesting free movement is one of EU's least well-thought-out policies? Yes. I'll also directly state it if it wasn't clear enough. .
Any reason in particular? It's vital to EU economy & tourism and it has absolutely no relation whatsoever with the refugee crisis.
On August 09 2016 08:27 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 08:21 Shield wrote:On August 09 2016 08:17 LegalLord wrote:
So the EU can't make a deal because it desperately wants to avoid compromising some of its least well-thought-out policies. Classic. You can leave, you know. No one forces you to be in EU or EEA. I don't like "ever closer union" as an idea, but some people exaggerate too much. It makes me support EU more. "No one forces you" is a matter of opinion. Coercion in the form of the threat of obviously punitive measures if someone leaves might qualify as force.
What punitive measures are you referring to? There are no additional effects to leaving EU or EEA other than giving up what membership entails.
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On August 09 2016 08:27 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 08:20 Dan HH wrote:
Are you suggesting free movement is one of EU's least well-thought-out policies? Yes. I'll also directly state it if it wasn't clear enough. Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 08:21 Shield wrote:On August 09 2016 08:17 LegalLord wrote:
So the EU can't make a deal because it desperately wants to avoid compromising some of its least well-thought-out policies. Classic. You can leave, you know. No one forces you to be in EU or EEA. I don't like "ever closer union" as an idea, but some people exaggerate too much. It makes me support EU more. "No one forces you" is a matter of opinion. Coercion in the form of the threat of obviously punitive measures if someone leaves might qualify as force. Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 08:22 Simberto wrote:On August 09 2016 08:17 LegalLord wrote:
So the EU can't make a deal because it desperately wants to avoid compromising some of its least well-thought-out policies. Classic. The EU can't make a deal that gives the UK everything or most of what they want. That would mean that other countries see that leaving the EU gives you the advantages of being in the EU without the stuff that you don't like. That would rip the EU apart. Not too sure that's a bad thing. The EU could use some reform or risk being ripped apart right now by virtue of its rather poorly thought out policies.
Maybe, but that is irrelevant. The EU has no interest in that happening, so they won't negotiate in a way that makes that happen, and they don't really have anything forcing them to change that.
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On August 09 2016 08:17 LegalLord wrote:
So the EU can't make a deal because it desperately wants to avoid compromising some of its least well-thought-out policies. Classic.
The UK chose this policy deliberately. Poland entered the EU in 2004. Germany for example had a 7 year long transitional period from 2004 until 2011. People from Poland were not allowed to work in Germany without a working permit.
So it is quite natural that Polish people went to a country (mostly the UK) that did not implement this transitional period. Because the UK government did not want to implement that. So the UK government and not the EU is to blame for a policy that seems not to be supported by a majority of its citizens. The EU offered the choice how to achieve freedom of movement of workers.
In a single market it is natural that you should not need different working permits for different countries to simplify opening offices in different countries and for example train local people.
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On August 09 2016 08:27 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 08:22 Simberto wrote:
The EU can't make a deal that gives the UK everything or most of what they want. That would mean that other countries see that leaving the EU gives you the advantages of being in the EU without the stuff that you don't like. That would rip the EU apart. Not too sure that's a bad thing. The EU could use some reform or risk being ripped apart right now by virtue of its rather poorly thought out policies.
Could you expand on this? EU has mostly fine policies considering the compromises forced by having a large region with different interests. You mentioned free movement which I can't agree with since it is one of the cornerstones of the entire union. If you remove that you can remove the EU since free trade works without it.
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There's been a highly amusing scandal this week involving a Sky News report in Romania. Article here and video here.
The report claimed that there are Romanian gangs in remote areas of the country smuggling illegal guns to sell them to terrorists in Western Europe. There were a myriad of red flags all over every aspect of this report making it become basically an overnight meme in Romania.
All of the guns shown were legal hunting rifles, even the AK that they focused on was a single fire collection piece. There are no remote areas outside the reach of authorities in this country. These guys supposedly selling guns to ISIS somehow agree to being filmed and even show their car!. They speak in a very scripted way, and of course the funniest of all is the balaclavas, the universal sign of 'I'm being paid to scare you'.
Stuart Ramsay, the creator of this piece, was contacted by Romanian media and he insisted it was all real, the people in the video are a 'crime gang', the meet-up was 'intense' and the gang searched them, the weapons were 'military', and the funniest one, that the gang agreed to be filmed because 'the authorities are not a problem to them'.
To the surprise of no one, all of the people in the video were picked up and questioned by the anti-organized crime agency, all of the guns turned out to be legal and they admitted they were paid €2000 by Sky News to act as smugglers. The guy that acted as intermediary between Sky & the actors was released after several hours of questioning and he explained to the reporters that were waiting outside the building how the whole thing went down, and that he was asked to provide assault weapons and make it look as real as possible (lol) but they could only provide hunting weapons because this isn't Afghanistan.
People started sending Stuart Ramsay tweets with toy guns that they have to sell him and a lot of criticism. The shittiest thing to come out of this whole thing was his response to getting caught and ridiculed, that people "don't understand journalism":
I sure don't understand British journalism, but I hope Sky News gets some flak in the rest of your press for this. Because there was no hesitation to pick up the original story and even inflate it.
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Indefensible but not unusual. This is the kind of shit that got Piers Morgan exiled.
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That is Private Eye worthy.
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£1 = €1.16
When will this stop? 
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Still not broken the 5 year low, and not that close to the 10 year low either.
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Now pls take into account how damn weak the euro itself is atm.
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On August 11 2016 20:22 Velr wrote:
Now pls take into account how damn weak the euro itself is atm.
Do you mean how strong the dollar is? The pound has also not broken its 5 year low against the JPY. Or CAD. Can probably go on.
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Would be fascinating if this topic made it to the next PMQ...
The British military is being outgunned by Russia, an internal Ministry of Defence report has concluded.
The leaked report, seen by The Times, suggests the UK and NATO are "struggling to catch up" with Russia when it comes to certain aspect of modern warfare.
It says that Russia is using technology better and has more advanced 'hybrid' warfare tactics.
It is unprecedented for the military to admit such shortcomings, albeit this was supposed to be a private report.
The report describes some Russian techniques as "real game changers".
It cites Russia's use of drones in eastern Ukraine.
They operate in pairs with a smaller one flying at low altitude to draw enemy fire whilst a second, much higher up, identifies where the fire is coming from and then shoots back.
It also credits Russia's propaganda and use of technology to spread messages through vulnerable communities.
Russia is also said to have acoustic listening devices dotted over Ukraine to pick up the sound of sniper rifles.
The former Deputy Commander of NATO agrees that Russia is more advanced in this area.
Source
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http://stv.tv/news/politics/1363850-nicola-sturgeon-points-to-reverse-greenland-eu-option/ Nicola Sturgeon has drawn attention to a proposal which could see England and Wales withdraw from the European Union while Scotland retains its membership.
Denmark-based academic Ulrik Pram Gad has suggested the UK could seek inspiration from Greenland, which withdrew from the European Economic Community in 1985 while the rest of the Kingdom of Denmark remained.
England and Wales could do a "reverse Greenland" by seeking a territorial exemption from the continuing UK member state, allowing Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar to retain their EU membership, Mr Gad said in an article for the London School of Economics.
Citing the contrasting referendum results north and south of the border, Ms Sturgeon has vowed to do everything in her power to maintain Scotland's place in the EU.
The First Minister took to Twitter to highlight the Mr Gad's proposal as a potential solution that would guarantee Scotland's continued EU membership, despite the UK's vote to leave. valid option or ... ?
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That sounds interesting. But how exactly would that work? Would only the remaining parts of the UK have to pay to the EU? Only they have to let people cross the border? Would the UK need borders within their own country?
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