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On August 24 2016 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2016 04:01 RoomOfMush wrote:
I dont get it. What is the context of this? Judging by the article Corbyn was complaining about packed trains and that the railway should go back to being publicly owned, he did this with a video/picture of him sitting on the floor because of how full the train was. The train company retaliated by showing CCTV images of Corbyn on the train in question and that there was clearly plenty of space.
Oh my god that is pathetic.
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Pretty dumb as well. Of course they're going to check it if they're bad in the news because of it.
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On August 24 2016 06:48 RoomOfMush wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2016 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:On August 24 2016 04:01 RoomOfMush wrote:
I dont get it. What is the context of this? Judging by the article Corbyn was complaining about packed trains and that the railway should go back to being publicly owned, he did this with a video/picture of him sitting on the floor because of how full the train was. The train company retaliated by showing CCTV images of Corbyn on the train in question and that there was clearly plenty of space. Oh my god that is pathetic.
Maybe he should have complained about the wasted space on trains instead. "Look at them wasting all this money on empty wagons!"
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/low-skilled-eu-migrants-may-have-to-get-permits-to-work-in-uk-following-brexit-a7208386.html
Sir David Metcalf, the head of the Migration Advisory Committee, told the Telegraph that both the number of migrants and the amount of time they spend in the UK could soon be controlled using work permits.
In a report, Work Immigration and the Labour Market, the committee found that low-skilled migrants can cause some pressures on public services.
It states: “Costs, often focused in particular locations and sectors, include rapidly changing populations with possible implications for cohesion and integration.”
It said it can also cause “congestion” by putting “extra pressure on housing, education, health and transport services” and causes “a small negative impact on wages of low paid workers”.
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Why is the pound still falling?
I got 1.19 € on the pound yesterday on Amazon, I don't remember it ever being that low.
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there was a pretty crowded short gbp bet on at 1.30 and they're all going to be feeling the pain as it's gone to 1.32
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37208527
Branson didn't let the supreme leader walk all over him and insult his brand. Punish him! "Not acting in the spirit of the country". The irony hurts.
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How about we remove the "honorable" when talking about Corbyn in the Commons?
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(Reuters) - Jeremy Corbyn, the left-wing head of Britain's opposition Labour party, is set to win a leadership race with even more support than when he was first elected last year, according to a YouGov poll in The Times on Wednesday.
In the first published poll of those entitled to vote in the election, Corbyn is leading his rival, Owen Smith, by 62 percent to 38 percent, up from the 59 percent share of the vote he won last year.
The party of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown is mired in one of the biggest crises in its 116-year history after Britain voted to leave the European Union in June.
Most of the party's lawmakers responded by voting to withdraw support for Corbyn, believing that he could not win a national election, and prompting the second leadership contest in a year.
However the 67-year-old has strong support from grassroots members and the poll showed that those who have recently joined Labour are more likely to back his leadership.
Critics say the increasingly bitter contest is distracting the party at time when it should be pushing its priorities onto the agenda for the government's Brexit negotiations and challenging new prime minister, Theresa May.
Some 640,500 people are eligible to vote in the Labour contest, and more than half joined the party in the last year, The Times said.
Among those who joined before May 2015, support for Smith is at 68 percent compared with 32 per cent for Corbyn, according to the YouGov poll. That drops to 28 per cent for Smith among those who joined between May and September.
uk.reuters.com
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Looks like actual leftists want an actual leftist head of the Party.
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On August 31 2016 19:56 Velr wrote:
Looks like actual leftists want an actual leftist head of the Party.
Well to have lived 7 years in the UK in a very left wing milieu (classical musicians), I can tell from experience that a lot of people have been intensely frustrated not to have a party that represented left wing views in the last 15 years. When you have the choice between a right wing party, a liberal right wing party and a centre right wing party, there is something wrong.
I don't think JC will ever be PM, but the labour has been a party of right wing leaders with left wing voters (without a choice) for over a decade. It's a good thing if it stops now. The left needs a party.
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And then you end up with a party which doesn't represent centre of left at all in a fptp system and you're stuck with only one viable party in government. Great for the conservatives, not for democracy.
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On August 31 2016 21:38 RvB wrote:
And then you end up with a party which doesn't represent centre of left at all in a fptp system and you're stuck with only one viable party in government. Great for the conservatives, not for democracy.
I don't know, until recently the socialist party (2012 in fact) in France had a healthy centre left position (further left than the new labour by a mile) and won many, many elections, getting first place. The assumption that a left wing party can't win an election is just factually and historically wrong.
England is a bit special because the media is incredibly biased. Thank Murdoch.
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This is the UK thread and I'm specifically talking about the UK. Of course in different countries a more left wing party can win elections. It is getting obvious that Corbyn and his leftism isn't electable in the UK at the moment.
Every country is a special case. Media bias doesn't cut it. It completely disregards cultural aspects etc. and it shows contempt for voters if you think the media is the main aspect deciding voter preference.
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All that article says is how many articles were negative not the effect of the negativity. It also has no analysis on whether the negativity was justified or not. Most articles on Trump are negative and for good reason. I will agree that 70% of the media being controlled by one conglomerate (if true) is worrisome.
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In the age of the internet and the growing democratization of media creation tools, the volume of criticism and "hot takes" on any specific issue or person is decreasing in value. I agree with RvB that quality sources and their track records are more important. And that will likely grow going forward as the media becomes ever more prone to feeding into the drama of the moment.
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On September 01 2016 00:12 RvB wrote:
This is the UK thread and I'm specifically talking about the UK. Of course in different countries a more left wing party can win elections. It is getting obvious that Corbyn and his leftism isn't electable in the UK at the moment.
Every country is a special case. Media bias doesn't cut it. It completely disregards cultural aspects etc. and it shows contempt for voters if you think the media is the main aspect deciding voter preference.
Well, I think that media has a gigantic role in a democracy and that it's one of the main problem of british democracy. It's no contempt for voters, simply that I think democracy is a very fragile thing. I don't think Corbyn is a wonderful leader, but the treatment he has received from the press is a problem in itself. You simply have 0 chance if you get a carpet bombing coverage of hysterically negative articles.
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