EPTUK Politics Mega-thread - Page 173
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On June 28 2016 01:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I don't like John Oliver, but the comment related to Independence Day was hilarious: "In fact, it's what other countries celebrate their independence from :-))))" | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
E.g. Gordon Brown was Shadow Chancellor and then when Labour won the election he became actual Chancellor. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Almost like they never ever expected to win the referendum. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
There are groups of people who wanted to leave the EU for varying reasons and had varying preferences for what would happen afterwards. What the Leave "camp" didn't have was a homogenous group of people sharing the same vision and a plan to implement it. So now it feels like there are a bunch of people who don't know what "they" want, because they want different things, and who never had an actual plan of how to do things. Only a small minority of leave voters will be happy in the end, and if we had remained a far greater portion of the population would have got what they wanted. If the referendum had been phrased more appropriately, then the Leave would would have been split between various different options, and wouldn't have won. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On June 28 2016 03:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Why does it feel like the 'leave' camp just went YOLO into this. They've got their wish but now there is no plan? Nobody to take the charge? Acting like 'we'll take it slow' and 'nothing will change for the market/trade' while obviously the EU is having none of that. It all seems so weird when there is so much at stake. Really baffles me. Almost like they never ever expected to win the referendum. It all really looks like they did not expect to win. The only proper BREXIT would be having a party with the BREXIT program, winning the elections, organizing the referendum, winning it, and doing it. Now, it is all very weird. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 28 2016 03:12 Lonyo wrote: Because there is no "Leave" camp. There are groups of people who wanted to leave the EU for varying reasons and had varying preferences for what would happen afterwards. What the Leave "camp" didn't have was a homogenous group of people sharing the same vision and a plan to implement it. So now it feels like there are a bunch of people who don't know what "they" want, because they want different things, and who never had an actual plan of how to do things. Only a small minority of leave voters will be happy in the end, and if we had remained a far greater portion of the population would have got what they wanted. If the referendum had been phrased more appropriately, then the Leave would would have been split between various different options, and wouldn't have won.  Sad situation. It's going to be very tough to get back on track if politicians can't even agree on what must be done now. Really need a unified effort from the whole country but it seems that will take a lot of time and even then it won't be guaranteed to be any better than the old situation. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/27/sp-cuts-united-kingdom-sovereign-credit-rating-to-aa-from-aaa.html unsurprising given the situation. | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On June 28 2016 03:51 RoomOfMush wrote: I am just waiting to call it the No Longer United Kingdom. 52% vs. 48%? Scotland and Norther Ireland pro EU? No common BREXIT plan? Corbyn and the Labour fun? Good luck Divided Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland! | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On June 28 2016 03:18 zlefin wrote: Not sure if this was already posted: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/27/sp-cuts-united-kingdom-sovereign-credit-rating-to-aa-from-aaa.html unsurprising given the situation. I saw this on /r/unitedkingdom and the top comment was about having to buy all new batteries. Made me chuckle on a day where I'm generally irritible and losing money | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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KwarK
United States43990 Posts
On June 28 2016 04:51 Zaros wrote: https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/747515816556503041 The last time this happened is where the Dems part of the Lib Dems came from. The gang of four broke away and formed the SDP. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 28 2016 04:53 KwarK wrote: The last time this happened is where the Dems part of the Lib Dems came from. The gang of four broke away and formed the SDP. This seems a much bigger split though, most MPs against the membership and the leader of the party. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
I am German and only read here to get some UK opinions, but man, Corbyn seems to be the worst party leader/politician I've ever seen. And I've seen alot of german party leaders who right out sucked at their job. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
The ELECTORATE liked what the MPs individually stand for/stood for when elected (which is prior to the direction of the current party membership and leadership), and so the MPs should have a party which is aligned with the people who elect them and who they represent. If the party membership and party electorate now have different views, the elected MPs should represent their electorate, not the party. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
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