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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-27 09:15:52
June 27 2016 09:11 GMT
#3401
(Reuters) - Britain will continue to have access to the European Union's single market despite voting to leave the bloc, leading Brexit campaigner and favorite to become the country's next prime minister Boris Johnson said in a newspaper article on Sunday.

Britain's shock decision to leave the EU has thrust Johnson into the gaze of global financial markets, who are eager to see what his plan for a post-Brexit Britain looks like and how, if he does become leader, it will affect the country's trade with the rest of the world.

Johnson said Britain could now forge a relationship with the EU based on free trade and partnership rather than a federal system, and that Britain would also be able to do free trade deals with growth economies outside the EU.

"There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market," Johnson wrote in a regular column for the Daily Telegraph newspaper, adding that there was "no great rush" for Britain to extricate itself from the EU

He did not set out any details of how the arrangement would work, but suggested Britain would not accept free movement, saying the government would be able to implement an immigration policy which suited the needs of business and industry.

Johnson said the negative consequences of Brexit were being "wildly overdone" and that Bank of England governor Mark Carney, who came under fire from some Brexit campaigners ahead of the referendum for flagging the risks of leaving the bloc, should continue in his job.

"The economy is in good hands," he said, praising 'In' campaigners Prime Minister David Cameron and finance minister George Osborne for the work they have done to reduce public spending.

"Most sensible people can see that Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has done a superb job – and now that the referendum is over, he will be able to continue his work without being in the political firing-line."

IMMIGRATION

Johnson is seen as the frontrunner to replace his schoolmate and once close friend Cameron, who announced he would resign after the British public voted against him by backing Brexit.

Cameron has said he will stay on until October. No-one has yet put themselves forward to replace him but the new leader is expected to come from the eurosceptic camp.

Several sources believe Johnson, who as London mayor built a broad appeal beyond the ruling Conservative Party, threw his support behind the "Out" campaign in a calculated move to boost his chances of replacing Cameron.

Johnson, who abandoned his support of immigration to win more support for the "Out" campaign, said he did not believe those who voted to leave the bloc were driven mainly by concerns over immigration, saying sovereignty was the biggest reason.

EU citizens in Britain would have their rights protected, as would Britons living in the EU, he said, while British people would still be able to go and work, live and travel in the EU.

Johnson also said he did not detect "any real appetite" for another Scottish independence referendum, despite the country's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon saying it was highly likely if it is the best option to keep Scotland in the bloc.

Scotland, a nation of five million people, voted to stay in the EU by 62 to 38 percent in Thursday's referendum, putting it at odds with the United Kingdom as a whole, which voted by 52 to 48 percent in favor of an exit from the bloc, or Brexit

uk.mobile.reuters.com
What is with this guy? What a huge clown.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21772 Posts
June 27 2016 09:15 GMT
#3402
On June 27 2016 18:11 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
(Reuters) - Britain will continue to have access to the European Union's single market despite voting to leave the bloc, leading Brexit campaigner and favorite to become the country's next prime minister Boris Johnson said in a newspaper article on Sunday.

Britain's shock decision to leave the EU has thrust Johnson into the gaze of global financial markets, who are eager to see what his plan for a post-Brexit Britain looks like and how, if he does become leader, it will affect the country's trade with the rest of the world.

Johnson said Britain could now forge a relationship with the EU based on free trade and partnership rather than a federal system, and that Britain would also be able to do free trade deals with growth economies outside the EU.

"There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market," Johnson wrote in a regular column for the Daily Telegraph newspaper, adding that there was "no great rush" for Britain to extricate itself from the EU

He did not set out any details of how the arrangement would work, but suggested Britain would not accept free movement, saying the government would be able to implement an immigration policy which suited the needs of business and industry.

Johnson said the negative consequences of Brexit were being "wildly overdone" and that Bank of England governor Mark Carney, who came under fire from some Brexit campaigners ahead of the referendum for flagging the risks of leaving the bloc, should continue in his job.

"The economy is in good hands," he said, praising 'In' campaigners Prime Minister David Cameron and finance minister George Osborne for the work they have done to reduce public spending.

"Most sensible people can see that Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has done a superb job – and now that the referendum is over, he will be able to continue his work without being in the political firing-line."

IMMIGRATION

Johnson is seen as the frontrunner to replace his schoolmate and once close friend Cameron, who announced he would resign after the British public voted against him by backing Brexit.

Cameron has said he will stay on until October. No-one has yet put themselves forward to replace him but the new leader is expected to come from the eurosceptic camp.

Several sources believe Johnson, who as London mayor built a broad appeal beyond the ruling Conservative Party, threw his support behind the "Out" campaign in a calculated move to boost his chances of replacing Cameron.

Johnson, who abandoned his support of immigration to win more support for the "Out" campaign, said he did not believe those who voted to leave the bloc were driven mainly by concerns over immigration, saying sovereignty was the biggest reason.

EU citizens in Britain would have their rights protected, as would Britons living in the EU, he said, while British people would still be able to go and work, live and travel in the EU.

Johnson also said he did not detect "any real appetite" for another Scottish independence referendum, despite the country's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon saying it was highly likely if it is the best option to keep Scotland in the bloc.

Scotland, a nation of five million people, voted to stay in the EU by 62 to 38 percent in Thursday's referendum, putting it at odds with the United Kingdom as a whole, which voted by 52 to 48 percent in favor of an exit from the bloc, or Brexit

uk.mobile.reuters.com
What is with this guy?

He is the British version of Trump
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-27 09:22:48
June 27 2016 09:22 GMT
#3403
Boris Johnson even looks like someone bleached the orange out of Trump.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6230 Posts
June 27 2016 10:00 GMT
#3404
Pound dropping below post Brexit low.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-27 10:27:03
June 27 2016 10:15 GMT
#3405
On June 27 2016 19:00 RvB wrote:
Pound dropping below post Brexit low.

I wrote it here yesterday. GBPUSD will fall below 1.0, remember it. There is no way of it stopping anywhere above this level. That will mean, from 1.5 to 1.0, the people in the UK losing 33% of their savings within a few months. Pretty impressive.

EDIT: maybe, it will even not take months, but weeks. But when we will come closer to 1.0, it should slow down ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
June 27 2016 10:41 GMT
#3406
Do you guys reckon it's a good idea to buy Franks now? Just to be on the safe side, in case the Euro gets hit more by the Brexit?
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 27 2016 10:45 GMT
#3407
On June 27 2016 19:41 DickMcFanny wrote:
Do you guys reckon it's a good idea to buy Franks now? Just to be on the safe side, in case the Euro gets hit more by the Brexit?

Well, EUR will fall down to parity with USD as well, but for EUR, it is only 10%. While for GBP, it is still a nice 33%. Buying dollars would be much more reliable, buying Japanese yen the best.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
June 27 2016 10:56 GMT
#3408
Love Boris Johnson's speech trying to unfuck the country now he has used Brexit to achieve what was his only goal - creating a vacancy for PM.
RIP Meatloaf <3
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6230 Posts
June 27 2016 11:00 GMT
#3409
USD is the safest bet I would say. It is relatively isolated from the trouble, is seen as a safe haven in uncertain times (like gold for example) and there most likely won't be any more monetary easing. They'll postpone a rate increase at most. Japan is much the same except that monetary easing is more likely due to their sluggish economic situation.

Anyway forex trading is full of risk so be careful.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4338 Posts
June 27 2016 11:29 GMT
#3410
By now it should be painfully obvious to everyone that Boris Johnson, Gove and the official leave campaign never had any plans to actually leave the EU.They never expected to "win", they were there just to give an illusion of choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 27 2016 11:34 GMT
#3411
On June 27 2016 20:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
By now it should be painfully obvious to everyone that Boris Johnson, Gove and the official leave campaign never had any plans to actually leave the EU.They never expected to "win", they were there just to give an illusion of choice.

This is actually a very nice conspiration theory :-)
That everyone except UKIP just played a game :-)
And they all lost :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4338 Posts
June 27 2016 11:39 GMT
#3412
On June 27 2016 20:34 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2016 20:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
By now it should be painfully obvious to everyone that Boris Johnson, Gove and the official leave campaign never had any plans to actually leave the EU.They never expected to "win", they were there just to give an illusion of choice.

This is actually a very nice conspiration theory :-)
That everyone except UKIP just played a game :-)
And they all lost :-)

Well, recall Ireland said no to the Lisbon treaty in a referendum, changed nothing they had to vote again until they agreed to it.

Other referendums on EU constitution have also failed in France, Holland but the changes were still pushed through.
Once you are in the system they will not let you out.Too many self interest groups, fat cats on big salaries, power hungry egomaniacs.The system is corrupt to the core.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2750 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-27 12:15:27
June 27 2016 12:00 GMT
#3413
On June 27 2016 08:53 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2016 04:16 RvB wrote:
On June 27 2016 03:17 Jibba wrote:
On June 27 2016 01:13 LegalLord wrote:
On June 27 2016 00:20 Jibba wrote:
On June 26 2016 07:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On June 26 2016 07:30 Rebs wrote:
On June 26 2016 07:29 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On June 26 2016 07:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So in your view, out of all the voters, the 52% leave voters are working class and the 48% remain voters are the modern aristocracy. Ok.


Yes that is exactly what I said. Wait no it isn't and you know it isn't. You should also probably look at how Leave cleaned up with working class Labour voters in many areas across England especially northeast England. If they had voted the way Labour voters usually vote Remain would have won. And of course Leave did very strongly with working class Tory voters.

Which side's campaigners were fervent believers in technocratic globalism? Remain, of course. It's not even up for debate that the EU places various levels of unelected bureaucracy in between the people and policy, with little recourse for the people regarding policy decisions they dislike. The debate is whether that is a bad thing or not.

Who has been blamed for Remain losing by disappointed Remain voters and campaigners on Twitter and in a thousand opinion columns since Friday morning? The ignorant and probably racist white working class.


He has a point there, you were being to general before, while this is all true it is just a vehicle for latent bigotry and xenophobia.

It might be time for a new strategy, one that doesn't insist on dismissing political disagreement as being caused by Unacceptable Beliefs.

How about pointing out Russia was proven right? It's actually kind of easy to break up the EU. All they had to do was bomb the shit out of Syria.

This is going swimmingly for them. British people are at each other's throats, and ignoring the root of the international forces that led them there, which just happens to be a country that wants the EU weakened and destabilized. Not to mention the UK probably took the hardest line on EU sanctions against Russia. Now those sanctions are set up to be buried.

You're not wrong that it would be mostly in Russia's interests if the EU were to have troubles (maybe not in general, certainly in its current iteration). But maybe you'd be better off considering what made it so fragile that some bombing of some country that has been in civil war for a long time, would set off a crisis like this. Maybe it's the EU itself that turned some random FP intervention by Russia among others into a full-blown internal crisis. Not that I accept that as the truth, mind you - this entire point is about as stupid as the one MP who said that Russia bombed Syria to encourage Brexit. It's really easy to blame evil Russia with its fascist leader Putler than to accept that the EU itself had the structural weakness that gave the Eurosceptics so much ammunition.

Every institution has structural weaknesses. This bridge is being triggered by one of the most feeble and base instincts, and Russia's destructive support of Assad has had big implications for the EU, and the ability to trigger that instinct, from the beginning. They certainly have other reasons for doing it, but this has been one of their benefits from the beginning. Refugee issues strike at the heart of one of the EU's most important agreements, and their refugee status has barely affected Russia at all.

The EU's weaknesses doesn't mean you play into Putin's geopolitical hand. This is setting the stage for a bullish outlook on Russia, after the US and UK worked heavily to damage the ruble. Russia is by far the biggest victor of the Brexit.

Russia and Putin really have nothing to do with the refugee crisis. The war in Syria was already going on for years and them coming here would have happened regardless of what Putin did.

2 aspects to this. 1) Russia's intervention started quite a while ago, well before the bombing, and 2) I didn't say they manufactured the situation. I said they exploited it. The facts of the refugee numbers are irrelevant - if the voters cared about the facts there wouldn't have been a Brexit. The fear of terrorism made them a disproportionate concern.

This has been a high level strategic goal of Russia for a while - you can read about it in FP magazines from years ago. This idea didn't start with the Labour PM's comments - he was just parroting what had been said in IR circles for a while. Whether it was through Syria or some other activity, one of the arms of their middle east strategy is to prod the EU. They weren't targeting a Brexit in particular, but they were targeting to upset the EU. To the voters, that should've been a stronger argument: you're about to bolster Russia.



You forget to add China as the big bad men of the world, you should read a bit more the press and Clinton' speeches because they clearly point out how they are the future great threat of the world.
The same has gone for Saddam, Khadafi and now Bachar, all of them have been crushed (Bachar is in process) but I doubt that is really for the sake of humab rights, it is more like for you god damn imperialism which makes your country the most rightfully hatred country in the world.
It has encouraged the djihad against URSS, destroyed Irakian state for the oil, destabilized Syrian regime to help Israel against Iran, basically; Daesh owns you everything and so you're directly responsible for the refugees crisis but you don't assume because hey, "I am American, I am in the good side of history, that's what the medias told me every days and nights, how could I do terribles stuffs?"
You betrayed the russian by taking the Balt nations in Nato and you mostly likely destabilized ukranian regim in order to fuck up Russia once more. You have a enormous fleet in Asia in order to do the same stuff with China which has some troubles with the islamist radicalization of ouighours (pretty sure you're Saudian allies have something to do with that) while you're threatening them.
And finally, you impose via EU to european nations a neoliberal treaty which takes off a bit more of their sovereignity.
And don't worry, the list of your exploits is way longer than that.
To conclude, USA is way more dangerous for the world than Putin will ever be because you are pretty vicious and more powerfull. And you absolutely do not care of human right, you did not support the afghans fighters against urss for the sake of human rights, you did not fight Saddam, Khadafi, Bachar for this either and the same goes for Putin and Chine, maybe you believe it because the press told you that but this is a lie. You are the most powerfull country in the world and you are ready to do anything in order to keep this power, nothing more, nothing less but don't act like you were for the greater good, there are WAY too many facts which prove that this affirmation is the epitome of hypocrisy but I recognize that you are pretty good lesson givers...

And the worst is that our president is just a muppet of Washington, what a shame for many french people... In comparaison of De Gaulle or even Chirac which refused your stupid "human'rights war", this a pretty big degradation and fall of dignity.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21772 Posts
June 27 2016 12:14 GMT
#3414
On June 27 2016 20:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
By now it should be painfully obvious to everyone that Boris Johnson, Gove and the official leave campaign never had any plans to actually leave the EU.They never expected to "win", they were there just to give an illusion of choice.

Thats how opposition parties work sadly.

The people are unhappy and blame X (regardless of it its the problem or not)
Government parties believe changing X would be a net negative, and fail to convey this to the people
Opposition parties promise to remove X.
Eventually people get pissed off enough to give the opposition the majority.
Having to govern and make actual choices the opposition realizes that removing X would be a negative.
The opposition fail their election promise or push through and the country gets worse as predicted
Government parties are voted back in charge
Repeat
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-27 13:50:03
June 27 2016 13:49 GMT
#3415
From the BBC:

Latest stats on Labour departures


To bring you up to speed with where we are on the comings and goings, so far we have:

- 20 resignations, one sacking (Hilary Benn) and two informal departures (two peers say they won't attend shadow cabinet under Jeremy Corbyn)

- 23 out of 31 members of the shadow cabinet have departed

- the remaining members are: Jeremy Corbyn, Tom Watson, Rosie Winterton, John McDonnell, Andy Burnham, Emily Thornberry, Jon Trickett and Diane Abbott
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
June 27 2016 14:09 GMT
#3416
I'm very curious as to what Labour's strategy moving forward is going to be.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-27 14:42:36
June 27 2016 14:39 GMT
#3417




So it seems Cameron is hoping that people will rather forget the vote and decide to stay otherwise he loses the EU, Scotland, and Ireland sooner or later.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
June 27 2016 14:52 GMT
#3418
I LOL'ed. whatever that helps at this stage, seriously. My holidays plans is the priority.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 27 2016 14:57 GMT
#3419
On June 27 2016 23:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/747401408165588992

https://twitter.com/AP/status/747439707475279873

So it seems Cameron is hoping that people will rather forget the vote and decide to stay otherwise he loses the EU, Scotland, and Ireland sooner or later.


Not really, he is giving his party time to heal and for the next leader to be elected before negotiations start, the U.K. is leaving the EU the only thing that will stop that is a pro E.U. labour party specifically vowing to stay in the E.U. winning the next general election in October, which seems massively unlikely in the current climate.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42934 Posts
June 27 2016 15:14 GMT
#3420
Boris doesn't seem to think we're leaving the single market. Looks like we're keeping the regulations and the institutions. But we're still totally leaving the EU boys.
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