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On June 28 2016 16:03 Dante08 wrote: Looking back, this is why these kind of referendums are a dumb idea. Many people are not well informed enough to make a sound decision. Immigration is a huge problem in all developed countries and there are better ways to deal with it imo.
Lets be honest here. Take Libya for example, richest country in North Africa until the Obama/UN led bombing campaigns a few years ago.Now a disaster zone.Syria similar story.Iraq.
"left" or "right" (Bush/Obama/Blair) they just continue the war agenda, even when a million people marched in London in 2003 opposing the Iraq war they made up some ridiculous lies about WMDs and they are still walking the streets as free men! Last year Merkel invited in one million asylum seekers, many angry because of western intervention in Syria (who can blame them for being angry?) so now we see destabilisation all over Europe.What a fucking disaster.
The chaos can only escalate from here but good on the UK for sticking it to the establishment in this fashion.
idk what the Australian media are telling you, but "destabilisation all over Europe" is hilariously exaggerated.
Surge in support for right wing parties like Swedish Democrats, AfD, UKIP, Wilders is leading the polls in the Netherlands yeah?
Do you really think that had the refugee crisis not exploded last year that Brexit would have won? Seriously?
You mean the refugees that are stuck on the french side of the channel because GB is barely taking any? If there is a european country that probably couldn't give a fuck about the refugee crysis, its GB.
Or do you mean the Euro crysis, the currency GB isn't using? If there is a european country that probably shouldn't give a fuck about the euro crysis, its GB.
There is probably no Country that had as good as an EU deal as GB. Its just that the British are rather very special snowlfakes than anything else... Oh, and polish People/eastern europeans take their Jobs... Its ridiculous.
On June 28 2016 16:03 Dante08 wrote: Looking back, this is why these kind of referendums are a dumb idea. Many people are not well informed enough to make a sound decision. Immigration is a huge problem in all developed countries and there are better ways to deal with it imo.
Lets be honest here. Take Libya for example, richest country in North Africa until the Obama/UN led bombing campaigns a few years ago.Now a disaster zone.Syria similar story.Iraq.
"left" or "right" (Bush/Obama/Blair) they just continue the war agenda, even when a million people marched in London in 2003 opposing the Iraq war they made up some ridiculous lies about WMDs and they are still walking the streets as free men! Last year Merkel invited in one million asylum seekers, many angry because of western intervention in Syria (who can blame them for being angry?) so now we see destabilisation all over Europe.What a fucking disaster.
The chaos can only escalate from here but good on the UK for sticking it to the establishment in this fashion.
idk what the Australian media are telling you, but "destabilisation all over Europe" is hilariously exaggerated.
Surge in support for right wing parties like Swedish Democrats, AfD, UKIP, Wilders is leading the polls in the Netherlands yeah?
Do you really think that had the refugee crisis not exploded last year that Brexit would have won? Seriously?
You mean the refugees that are stuck on the french side of the channel because GB is barely taking any? If there is a european country that probably couldn't give a fuck about the refugee crysis, its GB.
Or do you mean the Euro crysis, the currency GB isn't using? If there is a european country that probably shouldn't give a fuck about the euro crysis, its GB.
There is probably no Country that had as good as an EU deal as GB. Its just that the British are rather very special snowlfakes than anything else... Oh, and polish People/eastern europeans take their Jobs... Its ridiculous.
Its simply because people believed the lies of the campaign, lies which are all being exposed now, too late. Since the vote, people have been told: We are not going to be able to control immigration properly anyway We may still have to accept free movement of labour within the EU We won't have any extra money to spend on the NHS (A huge, key campaign claim) And today fishermen were told that its not going to have any effect on them at all (another huge point of the campaign was fishing quota).
The entire campaign was a lie and people just accepted it. Sure, there were some people who voted leave because of EU legislation, which is a fair point, but those people didn't make up 52% of voters. Still, the politicians responsible for the lies will get a nice promotion out of it and the rest of us are screwed.
On June 28 2016 16:03 Dante08 wrote: Looking back, this is why these kind of referendums are a dumb idea. Many people are not well informed enough to make a sound decision. Immigration is a huge problem in all developed countries and there are better ways to deal with it imo.
Lets be honest here. Take Libya for example, richest country in North Africa until the Obama/UN led bombing campaigns a few years ago.Now a disaster zone.Syria similar story.Iraq.
"left" or "right" (Bush/Obama/Blair) they just continue the war agenda, even when a million people marched in London in 2003 opposing the Iraq war they made up some ridiculous lies about WMDs and they are still walking the streets as free men! Last year Merkel invited in one million asylum seekers, many angry because of western intervention in Syria (who can blame them for being angry?) so now we see destabilisation all over Europe.What a fucking disaster.
The chaos can only escalate from here but good on the UK for sticking it to the establishment in this fashion.
idk what the Australian media are telling you, but "destabilisation all over Europe" is hilariously exaggerated.
Surge in support for right wing parties like Swedish Democrats, AfD, UKIP, Wilders is leading the polls in the Netherlands yeah?
Do you really think that had the refugee crisis not exploded last year that Brexit would have won? Seriously?
You mean the refugees that are stuck on the french side of the channel because GB is barely taking any? If there is a european country that probably couldn't give a fuck about the refugee crysis, its GB.
Or do you mean the Euro crysis, the currency GB isn't using? If there is a european country that probably shouldn't give a fuck about the euro crysis, its GB.
There is probably no Country that had as good as an EU deal as GB. Its just that the British are rather very special snowlfakes than anything else... Oh, and polish People/eastern europeans take their Jobs... Its ridiculous.
Its simply because people believed the lies of the campaign, lies which are all being exposed now, too late. Since the vote, people have been told: We are not going to be able to control immigration properly anyway We may still have to accept free movement of labour within the EU We won't have any extra money to spend on the NHS (A huge, key campaign claim) And today fishermen were told that its not going to have any effect on them at all (another huge point of the campaign was fishing quota).
Correction. They were all exposed as lies before the referendum, not just after. Its just that people were to stuck in their own portion of reality to see or believe the evidence to the contrary.
And no those responsible will not get a promotion out of it, or atleast not for long. See the problem with promising populist unattainable changes is that either you never become relevant or you do, fail to deliver (because their impossible) and then lose again hard as people are upset you did not deliver.
On June 28 2016 16:03 Dante08 wrote: Looking back, this is why these kind of referendums are a dumb idea. Many people are not well informed enough to make a sound decision. Immigration is a huge problem in all developed countries and there are better ways to deal with it imo.
Lets be honest here. Take Libya for example, richest country in North Africa until the Obama/UN led bombing campaigns a few years ago.Now a disaster zone.Syria similar story.Iraq.
"left" or "right" (Bush/Obama/Blair) they just continue the war agenda, even when a million people marched in London in 2003 opposing the Iraq war they made up some ridiculous lies about WMDs and they are still walking the streets as free men! Last year Merkel invited in one million asylum seekers, many angry because of western intervention in Syria (who can blame them for being angry?) so now we see destabilisation all over Europe.What a fucking disaster.
The chaos can only escalate from here but good on the UK for sticking it to the establishment in this fashion.
idk what the Australian media are telling you, but "destabilisation all over Europe" is hilariously exaggerated.
Surge in support for right wing parties like Swedish Democrats, AfD, UKIP, Wilders is leading the polls in the Netherlands yeah?
Do you really think that had the refugee crisis not exploded last year that Brexit would have won? Seriously?
You mean the refugees that are stuck on the french side of the channel because GB is barely taking any? If there is a european country that probably couldn't give a fuck about the refugee crysis, its GB.
Or do you mean the Euro crysis, the currency GB isn't using? If there is a european country that probably shouldn't give a fuck about the euro crysis, its GB.
There is probably no Country that had as good as an EU deal as GB. Its just that the British are rather very special snowlfakes than anything else... Oh, and polish People/eastern europeans take their Jobs... Its ridiculous.
Its simply because people believed the lies of the campaign, lies which are all being exposed now, too late. Since the vote, people have been told: We are not going to be able to control immigration properly anyway We may still have to accept free movement of labour within the EU We won't have any extra money to spend on the NHS (A huge, key campaign claim) And today fishermen were told that its not going to have any effect on them at all (another huge point of the campaign was fishing quota).
Correction. They were all exposed as lies before the referendum, not just after. Its just that people were to stuck in their own portion of reality to see or believe the evidence to the contrary.
And no those responsible will not get a promotion out of it, or atleast not for long. See the problem with promising populist unattainable changes is that either you never become relevant or you do, fail to deliver (because their impossible) and then lose again hard as people are upset you did not deliver.
Well of course this is right, but unfortunately this whole thing has allowed people like Farage and Johnson to side step democracy because Cameron was forced to quit. Johnson will almost certainly become PM because of his lies. UKIP will make huge gains because Labour just suicide vested themselves. There is no good choice for UK politics at the moment (except the SNP, who are the only group of people making an effort to do what's right for their country), this referendum has literally taken a shotgun to our political system.
On June 28 2016 16:03 Dante08 wrote: Looking back, this is why these kind of referendums are a dumb idea. Many people are not well informed enough to make a sound decision. Immigration is a huge problem in all developed countries and there are better ways to deal with it imo.
Lets be honest here. Take Libya for example, richest country in North Africa until the Obama/UN led bombing campaigns a few years ago.Now a disaster zone.Syria similar story.Iraq.
"left" or "right" (Bush/Obama/Blair) they just continue the war agenda, even when a million people marched in London in 2003 opposing the Iraq war they made up some ridiculous lies about WMDs and they are still walking the streets as free men! Last year Merkel invited in one million asylum seekers, many angry because of western intervention in Syria (who can blame them for being angry?) so now we see destabilisation all over Europe.What a fucking disaster.
The chaos can only escalate from here but good on the UK for sticking it to the establishment in this fashion.
Blowing yourself up in order to inflict flesh wounds on the establishment isn't really worth it. Especially when it was an even worse part of the establishment that gave you the bomb
Blowing yourself up in order to inflict flesh wounds on the establishment isn't really worth it. Especially when it was an even worse part of the establishment that gave you the bomb
everything in the eurozone is going down with them. It's fine.
Blowing yourself up in order to inflict flesh wounds on the establishment isn't really worth it. Especially when it was an even worse part of the establishment that gave you the bomb
everything in the eurozone is going down with them. It's fine.
I assume that graph is showing the stock markets? The reason the ftse 100 isn't going down as much is because most of the companies earnings in it are from foreign countries. The ftse 250 is better representative of the Britisch economy.
Blowing yourself up in order to inflict flesh wounds on the establishment isn't really worth it. Especially when it was an even worse part of the establishment that gave you the bomb
everything in the eurozone is going down with them. It's fine.
I assume that graph is showing the stock markets? The reason the ftse 100 isn't going down as much is because most of the companies earnings in it are from foreign countries. The ftse 250 is better representative of the Britisch economy.
isn't the ftse generally in pound on top of that while the rest (I'd assume) is in Euro? Sure the Euro also lost some but not that much and those two should add up, don't they?
Would it be possible for someone to post the article that is connected to? That graph is some amazing garbage without some sort of context to back up the numbers. Or number for that matter, since it just shows % of something that isn’t defined. It could be the relative price of toasters.
If Watson stands he might just win it. I will always support Corbyn and his ideals but obviously he has to go or there won't be a Labour party to lead. I'm disgusted by the coup and especially the timing of it, but as long as we don't end up with some empty, vacuous Blairite who doesn't represent Labour voters it should work out for the best.
On June 29 2016 00:40 Jockmcplop wrote: If Watson stands he might just win it. I will always support Corbyn and his ideals but obviously he has to go or there won't be a Labour party to lead. I'm disgusted by the coup and especially the timing of it, but as long as we don't end up with some empty, vacuous Blairite who doesn't represent Labour voters it should work out for the best.
The whole reason for the coup, and all the complaining previously, is because Corbyn isn't an empty, vacuous Blairite. There seems to be a massive rift in what the Labour party members and the labour MPs want from the party.
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