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On June 25 2013 08:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I've been debating whether or not to post this all morning, but now I think I should.
A lot of you are using the argument "why should gay people get the rainbow banner this week," the idea of privilege and "being gay is nothing special and isn't a big issue anymore." I assure you, being gay still carries a heavy connotation in today's society.
Being a contributor of this website for long while now, I want to share a short experience of mine.
Two weeks ago, I was planning an anniversary with my boyfriend of 6 years. I asked him what he wanted, usually we give each other video games. You know what he said?
"I don't want anything this year, I just really want to be able to hold your hand in public"
That really broke my heart because I realized every time he tried to hold my hand when we were out, I would pull my hand away. I did so because I was scared. Some years ago, we held hands and some asshole starting screaming "faggot!!" at us. I didn't want the same thing to happen again. I feared for my own safety and his...and I live in fucking california, a pretty liberal state.
Know what I told my bf? "We can hold hands, but I prefer we don't do it near where we live. I don't want you to get hurt."
Kudos for TL for having this banner today.
I really feel safe in this website.
While you all bicker, you gloss over why shit like a simple rainbow horse is still important, and it's stuff like this post.
AYE!
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On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:54 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 07:50 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:44 Zenocide wrote:
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I have gay neighbors and you would never know it because they act like most normal people. I also had a conversation about this very topic, and they felt embarrassed by the fact that some of the homosexual community feel the need show the gayness off to the world as if they are special people. I believe that once more people are more accepting of gays that maybe they will lose the act. When you learn that "i know someone who" is an unacceptable way to talk about an issue, you will sound a lot smarter. Until then, you sound stupid. What is with the constant name calling to anyone with a different viewpoint, and I even support gay rights. And sure thats fine if you don't believe that I live next to gay neighbors, doesn't change the fact that I actually do. T I believe you do. However, you need to understand that when you use anecdotal evidence to discuss societal issues, it is unacceptable. The experiences of one person cannot be used to speak for an issue as a whole. That is why you are dumb. Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society.
I understand what you are saying but I did not form my opinion BECAUSE of my neighbors opinion. The point I was trying to make was that not everyone who has any kind of "negative" view on a certain aspect of the gay community is a homophobic bible thumping asshole.
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United States41962 Posts
On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:54 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 07:50 Manifesto7 wrote:
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When you learn that "i know someone who" is an unacceptable way to talk about an issue, you will sound a lot smarter. Until then, you sound stupid. What is with the constant name calling to anyone with a different viewpoint, and I even support gay rights. And sure thats fine if you don't believe that I live next to gay neighbors, doesn't change the fact that I actually do. T I believe you do. However, you need to understand that when you use anecdotal evidence to discuss societal issues, it is unacceptable. The experiences of one person cannot be used to speak for an issue as a whole. That is why you are dumb. Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming and opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here?
He's saying that the behaviour he dislikes is an act which he then condemns and justifies that condemnation by saying that he knows a gay who also doesn't like it. He then uses the fact that they are doing something which he dislikes to portray homosexuality as invasive instead of just getting over the fact that he can't handle other people not acting the way he does.
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On June 25 2013 08:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:21 Hryul wrote:On June 25 2013 08:02 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:55 lolmlg wrote:On June 25 2013 07:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
Yawn at the sheeple...
... get off of the site and never come back. Don't want you, don't need you. I'm sorry but as both a mod and a poster I've never found you to be a positive contributor to this website. You never seem to handle your duties or any particular subject with class. At some point you're going to have to realize that lowering yourself to the level of internet posters you dislike isn't going to solve any problems. So as to not veer completely off-topic, though, I just want to say that I found it incredibly amusing to read the first page of this thread, then the last. Emblematic of "internet forum", I suppose. I don't know who you are. People where discussing if it is constructive for the discussion to use terms like " privileged white straight male" and then you enter the scene and start insulting people by calling them "sheeple" and "fuck you". That's quite an anti-timing, don't you think? It's not up to me to judge moderators since I'm just another generic 1k posts guy and you the mighty manifesto. But I'm quite glad not every mod has such emotional outburst like you do. Click his profile, kid. He isn't a mod. Manifesto-Prime if we wanted. He gives two shits about you and your feelings. Really, he is a mirror of how the rest of the world feels about all of us and our feelings.
Well I am aware, that manifesto is not a mod. I was wrongly using the word "mod" for "member of the staff". (He still can ban users though and does so.)
And I guess you follow him closely since you are so eager to jump his bandwagon of talking down onto someone and swearing at people?
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You know when you look back at pictures from the Jim Crow days -- sit-ins, desegregated schools, etc -- and you see all those dumb fuck white hicks with nothing but the void of hatred in their eyes, throwing out their dim-witted insults?
That's how you will look, 30 or 50 or 100 years from now. Have you no sense of history? Or shame? The writing is on the wall. Join us in 2013, please.
Thanks to TL for supporting what shouldn't even be an issue. But unfortunately is. Kudos dudes. <3
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United States41962 Posts
On June 25 2013 08:42 IPA wrote:
You know when you look back at pictures from the Jim Crow days -- sit-ins, desegregated schools, etc -- and you see all those dumb fuck white hicks with nothing but the void of hatred in their eyes, throwing out their dim-witted insults?
That's how you look
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On June 25 2013 08:42 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:24 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Hryul wrote:On June 25 2013 08:02 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:55 lolmlg wrote:On June 25 2013 07:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
Yawn at the sheeple...
... get off of the site and never come back. Don't want you, don't need you. I'm sorry but as both a mod and a poster I've never found you to be a positive contributor to this website. You never seem to handle your duties or any particular subject with class. At some point you're going to have to realize that lowering yourself to the level of internet posters you dislike isn't going to solve any problems. So as to not veer completely off-topic, though, I just want to say that I found it incredibly amusing to read the first page of this thread, then the last. Emblematic of "internet forum", I suppose. I don't know who you are. People where discussing if it is constructive for the discussion to use terms like " privileged white straight male" and then you enter the scene and start insulting people by calling them "sheeple" and "fuck you". That's quite an anti-timing, don't you think? It's not up to me to judge moderators since I'm just another generic 1k posts guy and you the mighty manifesto. But I'm quite glad not every mod has such emotional outburst like you do. Click his profile, kid. He isn't a mod. Manifesto-Prime if we wanted. He gives two shits about you and your feelings. Really, he is a mirror of how the rest of the world feels about all of us and our feelings. Well I am aware, that manifesto is not a mod. I was wrongly using the word "mod" for "member of the staff". (He still can ban users though and does so.) And I guess you follow him closely since you are so eager to jump his bandwagon of talking down onto someone and swearing at people?
I wasn't aware that idiots and bigots were on equal intellectual footing. If he talked straight or even up you wouldn't be able to hear him.
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I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports.
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On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:54 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 07:50 Manifesto7 wrote:
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When you learn that "i know someone who" is an unacceptable way to talk about an issue, you will sound a lot smarter. Until then, you sound stupid. What is with the constant name calling to anyone with a different viewpoint, and I even support gay rights. And sure thats fine if you don't believe that I live next to gay neighbors, doesn't change the fact that I actually do. T I believe you do. However, you need to understand that when you use anecdotal evidence to discuss societal issues, it is unacceptable. The experiences of one person cannot be used to speak for an issue as a whole. That is why you are dumb. Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here?
"I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish."
"I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots."
Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative:
"I don't hate black people as long as they act white!"
"I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!"
This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to.
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On June 25 2013 08:44 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:42 Hryul wrote:On June 25 2013 08:24 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Hryul wrote:On June 25 2013 08:02 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:55 lolmlg wrote:On June 25 2013 07:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
Yawn at the sheeple...
... get off of the site and never come back. Don't want you, don't need you. I'm sorry but as both a mod and a poster I've never found you to be a positive contributor to this website. You never seem to handle your duties or any particular subject with class. At some point you're going to have to realize that lowering yourself to the level of internet posters you dislike isn't going to solve any problems. So as to not veer completely off-topic, though, I just want to say that I found it incredibly amusing to read the first page of this thread, then the last. Emblematic of "internet forum", I suppose. I don't know who you are. People where discussing if it is constructive for the discussion to use terms like " privileged white straight male" and then you enter the scene and start insulting people by calling them "sheeple" and "fuck you". That's quite an anti-timing, don't you think? It's not up to me to judge moderators since I'm just another generic 1k posts guy and you the mighty manifesto. But I'm quite glad not every mod has such emotional outburst like you do. Click his profile, kid. He isn't a mod. Manifesto-Prime if we wanted. He gives two shits about you and your feelings. Really, he is a mirror of how the rest of the world feels about all of us and our feelings. Well I am aware, that manifesto is not a mod. I was wrongly using the word "mod" for "member of the staff". (He still can ban users though and does so.) And I guess you follow him closely since you are so eager to jump his bandwagon of talking down onto someone and swearing at people? I wasn't aware that idiots and bigots were on equal intellectual footing. If he talked straight or even up you wouldn't be able to hear him.
And from what exactly did you deduce that I am an idiot or bigot?
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On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports.
people, no matter their gender or sexual orientation, do
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On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports.
You are absolutely right!... And I like toast! Which has also nothing to do with the rainbow TL-logo.
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On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:54 Zenocide wrote:
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What is with the constant name calling to anyone with a different viewpoint, and I even support gay rights. And sure thats fine if you don't believe that I live next to gay neighbors, doesn't change the fact that I actually do. T I believe you do. However, you need to understand that when you use anecdotal evidence to discuss societal issues, it is unacceptable. The experiences of one person cannot be used to speak for an issue as a whole. That is why you are dumb. Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to.
No, I dislike smoking, do I hate smokers? Acting non obnoxious and keeping to yourself =/= acting straight.
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On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports.
1000x this.
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On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:54 Zenocide wrote:
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What is with the constant name calling to anyone with a different viewpoint, and I even support gay rights. And sure thats fine if you don't believe that I live next to gay neighbors, doesn't change the fact that I actually do. T I believe you do. However, you need to understand that when you use anecdotal evidence to discuss societal issues, it is unacceptable. The experiences of one person cannot be used to speak for an issue as a whole. That is why you are dumb. Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to.
Yeah, no.. it's not hatred towards the person based upon things that are out of their control. It's more based upon hating someone for the things that they can control--like behavior (crazy flaming gay dude, mad gangster/thug black or white dude, the list could just about go on forever)
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Osaka27118 Posts
On June 25 2013 08:48 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:44 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 08:42 Hryul wrote:On June 25 2013 08:24 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Hryul wrote:On June 25 2013 08:02 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 07:55 lolmlg wrote:On June 25 2013 07:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
Yawn at the sheeple...
... get off of the site and never come back. Don't want you, don't need you. I'm sorry but as both a mod and a poster I've never found you to be a positive contributor to this website. You never seem to handle your duties or any particular subject with class. At some point you're going to have to realize that lowering yourself to the level of internet posters you dislike isn't going to solve any problems. So as to not veer completely off-topic, though, I just want to say that I found it incredibly amusing to read the first page of this thread, then the last. Emblematic of "internet forum", I suppose. I don't know who you are. People where discussing if it is constructive for the discussion to use terms like " privileged white straight male" and then you enter the scene and start insulting people by calling them "sheeple" and "fuck you". That's quite an anti-timing, don't you think? It's not up to me to judge moderators since I'm just another generic 1k posts guy and you the mighty manifesto. But I'm quite glad not every mod has such emotional outburst like you do. Click his profile, kid. He isn't a mod. Manifesto-Prime if we wanted. He gives two shits about you and your feelings. Really, he is a mirror of how the rest of the world feels about all of us and our feelings. Well I am aware, that manifesto is not a mod. I was wrongly using the word "mod" for "member of the staff". (He still can ban users though and does so.) And I guess you follow him closely since you are so eager to jump his bandwagon of talking down onto someone and swearing at people? I wasn't aware that idiots and bigots were on equal intellectual footing. If he talked straight or even up you wouldn't be able to hear him. And from what exactly did you deduce that I am an idiot or bigot?
This thread was fifty pages of hand wringing apologetics and a few stupid trolls. Talking down to people is sometimes necessary. And, if you took my post about dipping my penis into butterscotch pudding literally, then, well, sorry? I thought the hyperbole was pretty obvious.
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On June 25 2013 08:54 GraFx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports. 1000x this.
Indeed, but the fact that homo- or transexual marrige is still a political issue is a disgrace and an abomination to any nation that would describe itself as a free country.
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On June 25 2013 08:56 .maLice. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Manifesto7 wrote:
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T
I believe you do. However, you need to understand that when you use anecdotal evidence to discuss societal issues, it is unacceptable. The experiences of one person cannot be used to speak for an issue as a whole. That is why you are dumb. Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. Yeah, no.. it's not hatred towards the person based upon things that are out of their control. It's more based upon hating someone for the things that they can control--like behavior (crazy flaming gay dude, mad gangster/thug black or white dude, the list could just about go on forever)
Well put.
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Love the logo, love the support. Go TL! <3
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On June 25 2013 08:51 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports. people, no matter their gender or sexual orientation, do
of course they do, but what does that have to do with TL? I come to TL to read/watch sc2, no to be told what to think.
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