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On June 25 2013 08:59 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:51 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports. people, no matter their gender or sexual orientation, do of course they do, but what does that have to do with TL? I come to TL to read/watch sc2, no to be told what to think.
And how on earth does a colorful TL-Logo prevent you from reading and watching sc2 content??
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On June 25 2013 08:59 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:51 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports. people, no matter their gender or sexual orientation, do of course they do, but what does that have to do with TL? I come to TL to read/watch sc2, no to be told what to think.
If people are so scared of this thread but completely unable to avoid it should we just ban them so they don't have to suffer through it? It seems like that's what they want...
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On June 25 2013 08:58 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:56 .maLice. wrote:On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:
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Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. Yeah, no.. it's not hatred towards the person based upon things that are out of their control. It's more based upon hating someone for the things that they can control--like behavior (crazy flaming gay dude, mad gangster/thug black or white dude, the list could just about go on forever) Well put.
Except what he is really saying is that he hates things that are different from himself. The flaming gay guy? Doesn't affect you. The black thug? Doesn't affect you. Hating someone for being something is what bigots do.
If the flaming gay guy runs up and grabs your junk? That is sexual assault. Ok to hate. The thug shoots up your car? A felony, ok to hate.
But then you would be hating rapists and murderers, mot gays and thugs, which is fine.
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On June 25 2013 08:52 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Manifesto7 wrote:
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I believe you do. However, you need to understand that when you use anecdotal evidence to discuss societal issues, it is unacceptable. The experiences of one person cannot be used to speak for an issue as a whole. That is why you are dumb. Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. No, I dislike smoking, do I hate smokers? Acting non obnoxious and keeping to yourself =/= acting straight.
In response to this I will say this.
Fucking deal with it. I don't like my next door neighbor's loud kids or their daughter and her fights with her boyfriend in the driveway. But I silently deal with them.
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On June 25 2013 08:59 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:51 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports. people, no matter their gender or sexual orientation, do of course they do, but what does that have to do with TL? I come to TL to read/watch sc2, no to be told what to think.
The banner tells you what to think? The next banner is going to have a "donate to manifesto" sign on it then.
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On June 25 2013 08:56 .maLice. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Manifesto7 wrote:
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I believe you do. However, you need to understand that when you use anecdotal evidence to discuss societal issues, it is unacceptable. The experiences of one person cannot be used to speak for an issue as a whole. That is why you are dumb. Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. Yeah, no.. it's not hatred towards the person based upon things that are out of their control. It's more based upon hating someone for the things that they can control--like behavior (crazy flaming gay dude, mad gangster/thug black or white dude, the list could just about go on forever)
So you can rightfully hate people who judge people based on their perceived mannerisms? Because I'm pretty sure you can control the behavior of being a judgmental prick. Should we also hate children for not being like us? Should we hate foreign exchange students for not having a masters in English before they arrive?
You can hate whatever you want. Unfortunately most hate is unfounded, and is therefore not a very solid foundation for a discussion or participation in an argument.
Let me give you a short list of examples to hate people:
1. They killed your family
2. They raped your significant other
3. They hurt your children
4. They burned down your house
5. Gay
6. They destroyed your future
7. They trimmed your bonsai
Which of these is not like the others?
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On June 25 2013 08:59 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:51 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports. people, no matter their gender or sexual orientation, do of course they do, but what does that have to do with TL? I come to TL to read/watch sc2, no to be told what to think.
Or even better: if you come to TL to "read/watch sc2" wtf are you doing in a General thread which is named "The Rainbow TL-logo"? The hint that it wasn't under Starcraft 2 was too subtle?
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Looks beautiful, imagine if it became of weekend TL icon of sorts :D
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On June 25 2013 09:02 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:58 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:56 .maLice. wrote:On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:
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If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. Yeah, no.. it's not hatred towards the person based upon things that are out of their control. It's more based upon hating someone for the things that they can control--like behavior (crazy flaming gay dude, mad gangster/thug black or white dude, the list could just about go on forever) Well put. Except what he is really saying is that he hates things that are different from himself. The flaming gay guy? Doesn't affect you. The black thug? Doesn't affect you. Hating someone for being something is what bigots do. If the flaming gay guy runs up and grabs your junk? That is sexual assault. Ok to hate. The thug shoots up your car? A felony, ok to hate. But then you would be hating rapists and murderers, mot gays and thugs, which is fine.
Except I fucking never said I hated anyone, dude. I was just explaining my viewpoint on why it is that some people hate other people. I personally agree with you completely. It's the actions one makes that he should be judged for, not what he or she is.
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On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports.
I agree, can we please return to acknowledging the whole point of the current logo, basic human rights and equality?
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On June 25 2013 09:03 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:52 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:
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Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. No, I dislike smoking, do I hate smokers? Acting non obnoxious and keeping to yourself =/= acting straight. In response to this I will say this. Fucking deal with it. I don't like my next door neighbor's loud kids or their daughter and her fights with her boyfriend in the driveway. But I silently deal with them.
And perhaps then you can "fucking deal with it" regarding his personal opinion?
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On June 25 2013 09:02 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:58 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:56 .maLice. wrote:On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:
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If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. Yeah, no.. it's not hatred towards the person based upon things that are out of their control. It's more based upon hating someone for the things that they can control--like behavior (crazy flaming gay dude, mad gangster/thug black or white dude, the list could just about go on forever) Well put. Except what he is really saying is that he hates things that are different from himself. The flaming gay guy? Doesn't affect you. The black thug? Doesn't affect you. Hating someone for being something is what bigots do. If the flaming gay guy runs up and grabs your junk? That is sexual assault. Ok to hate. The thug shoots up your car? A felony, ok to hate. But then you would be hating rapists and murderers, mot gays and thugs, which is fine.
So does hating an obnoxious douchebag attitude make me a bigot?
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On June 25 2013 09:04 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:56 .maLice. wrote:On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:10 Zenocide wrote:
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Why are you calling that anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to prove a fact, I was just simply explaining my personal opinion. Not once did I say anything as 100% fact or speak to the gay rights issue as a whole, in which I do support. If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. Yeah, no.. it's not hatred towards the person based upon things that are out of their control. It's more based upon hating someone for the things that they can control--like behavior (crazy flaming gay dude, mad gangster/thug black or white dude, the list could just about go on forever) So you can rightfully hate people who judge people based on their perceived mannerisms? Because I'm pretty sure you can control the behavior of being a judgmental prick. Should we also hate children for not being like us? Should we hate foreign exchange students for not having a masters in English before they arrive? You can hate whatever you want. Unfortunately most hate is unfounded, and is therefore not a very solid foundation for a discussion or participation in an argument.
Uhhh, yeah agreed. I never said I hated these people. I don't hate anyone until they give me a specific reason to (ya know, criminals and shit...).
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On June 25 2013 09:06 Bore wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 09:03 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:52 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:12 KwarK wrote:
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If you don't want your opinions or yourself to be judged I suggest you keep them to yourself. If you voice them then people will respond. That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. No, I dislike smoking, do I hate smokers? Acting non obnoxious and keeping to yourself =/= acting straight. In response to this I will say this. Fucking deal with it. I don't like my next door neighbor's loud kids or their daughter and her fights with her boyfriend in the driveway. But I silently deal with them. And perhaps then you can "fucking deal with it" regarding his personal opinion?
If he keeps it do himself and doesn't voice it out loud for me to read, sure. If not, well then I well tell him he is wrong. That is how opinions work.
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On June 25 2013 09:06 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 09:02 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 08:58 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:56 .maLice. wrote:On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:
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That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. Yeah, no.. it's not hatred towards the person based upon things that are out of their control. It's more based upon hating someone for the things that they can control--like behavior (crazy flaming gay dude, mad gangster/thug black or white dude, the list could just about go on forever) Well put. Except what he is really saying is that he hates things that are different from himself. The flaming gay guy? Doesn't affect you. The black thug? Doesn't affect you. Hating someone for being something is what bigots do. If the flaming gay guy runs up and grabs your junk? That is sexual assault. Ok to hate. The thug shoots up your car? A felony, ok to hate. But then you would be hating rapists and murderers, mot gays and thugs, which is fine. So does hating an obnoxious douchebag attitude make me a bigot?
Nope! But I don't trust your judgement on that.
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On June 25 2013 09:03 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:59 jax1492 wrote:On June 25 2013 08:51 Mindcrime wrote:On June 25 2013 08:45 jax1492 wrote:
I have to agree with the people who said religion and politics don't have a place in esports. people, no matter their gender or sexual orientation, do of course they do, but what does that have to do with TL? I come to TL to read/watch sc2, no to be told what to think. The banner tells you what to think? The next banner is going to have a "donate to manifesto" sign on it then.
you make my point, if you don't agree you get bashed. for the record, i don't care about the logo but i feel that TL should be neutral on issues other than sc2/dota etc. well, that too i guess.
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On June 25 2013 09:06 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 09:02 Manifesto7 wrote:On June 25 2013 08:58 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:56 .maLice. wrote:On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:
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That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. Yeah, no.. it's not hatred towards the person based upon things that are out of their control. It's more based upon hating someone for the things that they can control--like behavior (crazy flaming gay dude, mad gangster/thug black or white dude, the list could just about go on forever) Well put. Except what he is really saying is that he hates things that are different from himself. The flaming gay guy? Doesn't affect you. The black thug? Doesn't affect you. Hating someone for being something is what bigots do. If the flaming gay guy runs up and grabs your junk? That is sexual assault. Ok to hate. The thug shoots up your car? A felony, ok to hate. But then you would be hating rapists and murderers, mot gays and thugs, which is fine. So does hating an obnoxious douchebag attitude make me a bigot?
If the flaming gay person directly annoying you or interacting with you? If the answer is no, then you are being as asshole. If the answer is yes and he won't leave you alone, then the flaming gay guy is a jerk.
It not ok to hate people for who they are and that they exist. If they annoy you or are obnoxious, then its ok to dislike them.
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On June 25 2013 09:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 09:06 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 09:03 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:52 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:47 Jormundr wrote:On June 25 2013 08:37 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:31 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:29 Zenocide wrote:On June 25 2013 08:21 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 08:20 Zenocide wrote:
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That's fine, judge away. I just would like think people on here would be kind enough to not name call when someone is explaining their opinion. Is that too much to ask? If I think your opinion is dumb and you provide crappy evidence to back it up, I am likely to call you dumb. I don't think personal experiences are a crappy way to support your own some of your opinions. My experience talking to you is a great way to form an opinion on your intelligence but a shitty way to form an opinion on tl. Likewise your experience talking to your neighbours is a shitty way to form an opinion on homosexuality within society. But he is not forming an opinion on homosexuality on society he is stating that he dosent like how certain homosexuals act. Or am i missing something here? "I don't hate black people, I just dislike the ones that act so damn niggerish." "I don't hate gay people, I just hate faggots." Notice how neither is really a valuable input to the conversation, and both are self contradictory? Lets rephrase them both to make them less inflammatory and more informative: "I don't hate black people as long as they act white!" "I don't hate gay people as long as they act straight!" This is what that "viewpoint" boils down to. No, I dislike smoking, do I hate smokers? Acting non obnoxious and keeping to yourself =/= acting straight. In response to this I will say this. Fucking deal with it. I don't like my next door neighbor's loud kids or their daughter and her fights with her boyfriend in the driveway. But I silently deal with them. And perhaps then you can "fucking deal with it" regarding his personal opinion? If he keeps it do himself and doesn't voice it out loud for me to read, sure. If not, well then I well tell him he is wrong. That is how opinions work.
So you are agreeing with me?
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What is happening to TL lol! I love this!
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