Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGBT members especially never get abuse in every single thread.
Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things.
technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2.
Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever.
How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
But we talk about the players' girlfriends all the time. When iNcontroL got married it was HUGE news. We talk about sexual orientation all the time. Check yo privilege please.
the topics of discussion in those cases would be girlfriends and marriage respectively, not sexual orientation. yes when incontrol gets married to a woman we kind of also know that he's straight, but that's not the point.
And if i post some pics of a gay wedding and talk about the great sunny day, the delicious cake, the great wardrobe, you would never ever jump onto that in a negative way, because this thread would be about a marriage and not about the sexual orientation of the gay couple. Right?
cool, you find a gay progamer who got married, write something about that event here, and i won't say a thing. we got a deal?
in other news, people prefer to read normative stories...
And now we're back to LiquidDrone's post. Go reread it. You've talked yourself in a circle. Oh, and I reiterate your point earlier that straight couple stuff has nothing to do with starcraft, which is why you said gay progamers shouldn't talk about their personal lives. Why the hell did i have to hear about iNcontroL's engagement?
P.S. I was actually really happy for Geoff and Anna, just makin a point.
look, i would PREFER not to hear about what incontrol gets up to in his spare time, whether they are stereotypically "good" or "bad" activities.
if someone writes about it and I happen to read it then I shrug and say, well whatever, good for him (even if incontrol was being married to another man, hypothetically of course). what on earth do you want me to do about it? erase that article from my memory?
But other starcraft fans do wanna hear about that stuff. A HUGE part of making proathletes and progamers revenue generators is also making them personal. And if they're personal, we care about them and we care about all the sappy happy stuff in their life. So if/when we get a gay progamer, yes he's gonna talk about his personal life just the same as Geoff gets to talk about his. And if you scream "but this gay shit has nothing to do with starcraft!" it'll fall on deaf ears.
Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGBT members especially never get abuse in every single thread.
Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things.
technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2.
Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever.
How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
But we talk about the players' girlfriends all the time. When iNcontroL got married it was HUGE news. We talk about sexual orientation all the time. Check yo privilege please.
the topics of discussion in those cases would be girlfriends and marriage respectively, not sexual orientation. yes when incontrol gets married to a woman we kind of also know that he's straight, but that's not the point.
And if i post some pics of a gay wedding and talk about the great sunny day, the delicious cake, the great wardrobe, you would never ever jump onto that in a negative way, because this thread would be about a marriage and not about the sexual orientation of the gay couple. Right?
cool, you find a gay progamer who got married, write something about that event here, and i won't say a thing. we got a deal?
in other news, people prefer to read normative stories...
And now we're back to LiquidDrone's post. Go reread it. You've talked yourself in a circle. Oh, and I reiterate your point earlier that straight couple stuff has nothing to do with starcraft, which is why you said gay progamers shouldn't talk about their personal lives. Why the hell did i have to hear about iNcontroL's engagement?
P.S. I was actually really happy for Geoff and Anna, just makin a point.
look, i would PREFER not to hear about what incontrol gets up to in his spare time, whether they are stereotypically "good" or "bad" activities.
if someone writes about it and I happen to read it then I shrug and say, well whatever, good for him (even if incontrol was being married to another man, hypothetically of course). what on earth do you want me to do about it? erase that article from my memory?
Well now you know that any time you come to TL you run the risk of being exposed to things you might not want to hear about. Just like the rest of the internet, or TV, or the newspaper and the outside world.
technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2.
Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever.
How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
But we talk about the players' girlfriends all the time. When iNcontroL got married it was HUGE news. We talk about sexual orientation all the time. Check yo privilege please.
the topics of discussion in those cases would be girlfriends and marriage respectively, not sexual orientation. yes when incontrol gets married to a woman we kind of also know that he's straight, but that's not the point.
And if i post some pics of a gay wedding and talk about the great sunny day, the delicious cake, the great wardrobe, you would never ever jump onto that in a negative way, because this thread would be about a marriage and not about the sexual orientation of the gay couple. Right?
cool, you find a gay progamer who got married, write something about that event here, and i won't say a thing. we got a deal?
in other news, people prefer to read normative stories...
And now we're back to LiquidDrone's post. Go reread it. You've talked yourself in a circle. Oh, and I reiterate your point earlier that straight couple stuff has nothing to do with starcraft, which is why you said gay progamers shouldn't talk about their personal lives. Why the hell did i have to hear about iNcontroL's engagement?
P.S. I was actually really happy for Geoff and Anna, just makin a point.
look, i would PREFER not to hear about what incontrol gets up to in his spare time, whether they are stereotypically "good" or "bad" activities.
if someone writes about it and I happen to read it then I shrug and say, well whatever, good for him (even if incontrol was being married to another man, hypothetically of course). what on earth do you want me to do about it? erase that article from my memory?
Well now you know that any time you come to TL you run the risk of being exposed to things you might not want to hear about. Just like the rest of the internet, or TV, or the newspaper and the outside world.
Totally. Sometimes I listen to the radio and they're not playing "Don't Stop Believing". I have to throw it against the wall in disgust. I've gone through a lot of radios.
technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2.
Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever.
How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
But we talk about the players' girlfriends all the time. When iNcontroL got married it was HUGE news. We talk about sexual orientation all the time. Check yo privilege please.
the topics of discussion in those cases would be girlfriends and marriage respectively, not sexual orientation. yes when incontrol gets married to a woman we kind of also know that he's straight, but that's not the point.
And if i post some pics of a gay wedding and talk about the great sunny day, the delicious cake, the great wardrobe, you would never ever jump onto that in a negative way, because this thread would be about a marriage and not about the sexual orientation of the gay couple. Right?
cool, you find a gay progamer who got married, write something about that event here, and i won't say a thing. we got a deal?
in other news, people prefer to read normative stories...
And now we're back to LiquidDrone's post. Go reread it. You've talked yourself in a circle. Oh, and I reiterate your point earlier that straight couple stuff has nothing to do with starcraft, which is why you said gay progamers shouldn't talk about their personal lives. Why the hell did i have to hear about iNcontroL's engagement?
P.S. I was actually really happy for Geoff and Anna, just makin a point.
look, i would PREFER not to hear about what incontrol gets up to in his spare time, whether they are stereotypically "good" or "bad" activities.
if someone writes about it and I happen to read it then I shrug and say, well whatever, good for him (even if incontrol was being married to another man, hypothetically of course). what on earth do you want me to do about it? erase that article from my memory?
Well now you know that any time you come to TL you run the risk of being exposed to things you might not want to hear about. Just like the rest of the internet, or TV, or the newspaper and the outside world.
ya..things like what male dolphins really do with their blow hole. Who knew they found more than one way to use it? Amazing!
On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote: Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc.
It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda?
But its not politics. Its just declaring that TL supports those people and they will find a safe place in this community. There is nothing political about saying everyone will be treated equally with in the community.
Love how showing compassion to other people is somehow a political issue.
These changes come through government laws and acts and that makes this a political issue same with civil rights and women's rights. They were also about human decency but were certainly considered political issues. Tax breaks could be considered showing compassion to the people getting the lowered taxes. Though just because it's a political issue doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed in the General forum here.
I disagree. Civil and Women's Rights were not political issues - and the fact that they had to be brought about by a change in politics is frankly an embarrassment in the history of human society.
The fact that they were changed in politics makes them a political issue by definition so I'm not sure why you're disagreeing. It's absolutely embarrassing that these things happened but that doesn't make it not a political issue.
Come on people its not like the banner is going to change the world, nobody outside this website cares about it and the people that already post on this forum know the stance this website has.
Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever.
How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
But we talk about the players' girlfriends all the time. When iNcontroL got married it was HUGE news. We talk about sexual orientation all the time. Check yo privilege please.
the topics of discussion in those cases would be girlfriends and marriage respectively, not sexual orientation. yes when incontrol gets married to a woman we kind of also know that he's straight, but that's not the point.
And if i post some pics of a gay wedding and talk about the great sunny day, the delicious cake, the great wardrobe, you would never ever jump onto that in a negative way, because this thread would be about a marriage and not about the sexual orientation of the gay couple. Right?
cool, you find a gay progamer who got married, write something about that event here, and i won't say a thing. we got a deal?
in other news, people prefer to read normative stories...
And now we're back to LiquidDrone's post. Go reread it. You've talked yourself in a circle. Oh, and I reiterate your point earlier that straight couple stuff has nothing to do with starcraft, which is why you said gay progamers shouldn't talk about their personal lives. Why the hell did i have to hear about iNcontroL's engagement?
P.S. I was actually really happy for Geoff and Anna, just makin a point.
look, i would PREFER not to hear about what incontrol gets up to in his spare time, whether they are stereotypically "good" or "bad" activities.
if someone writes about it and I happen to read it then I shrug and say, well whatever, good for him (even if incontrol was being married to another man, hypothetically of course). what on earth do you want me to do about it? erase that article from my memory?
Well now you know that any time you come to TL you run the risk of being exposed to things you might not want to hear about. Just like the rest of the internet, or TV, or the newspaper and the outside world.
ya..things like what male dolphins really do with their blow hole. Who knew they found more than one way to use it? Amazing!
Yeah, I am not sure I am going to get over that one. But thus is life.
I think all the people complaining about this not being eSports related should stop dealing with such minor things as a logo. Obviously a campaign against the general forum is required to rid TL of its evil, un-eSports disscusions.
On June 25 2013 00:44 Lakarah wrote: This is a repeat post from page 322 of the Gay Starcraft Players thread but it definitely needs to be shown here because the reason it was posted there is coming up here as well.
If you are a heterosexual please repeat after me out loud (I suggest perhaps in an area that wont disturb many people).
On a daily basis as a straight person...
-I can be pretty sure that my roommate, hallmates and classmates will be comfortable with my sexual orientation. -If I pick up a magazine, watch TV, or play music, I can be certain my sexual orientation will be represented. -When I talk about my heterosexuality (such as in a joke or talking about my relationships), I will not be accused of pushing my sexual orientation onto others. -I do not have to fear that if my family or friends find out about my sexual orientation there will be economic, emotional, physical or psychological consequences. -I did not grow up with games that attack my sexual orientation. -I am not accused of being abused, warped or psychologically confused because of my sexual orientation. -I can go home from most meetings, classes, and conversations without feeling excluded, fearful, attacked, isolated, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance, stereotyped, or feared because of my sexual orientation. -I am never asked to speak for everyone who is heterosexual. -I can be sure that my classes will require curricular materials that testify to the existence of people with my sexual orientation. -People don't ask why I made my choice of sexual orientation. -People don't ask why I made my choice to be public about my sexual orientation. -I do not have to fear revealing my sexual orientation to friends or family. It's assumed. -My sexual orientation was never associated with a closet. -People of my gender do not try to convince me to change my sexual orientation. -I don't have to defend my heterosexuality. -I can easily find a religious community that will not exclude me for being heterosexual. -I can count on finding a therapist or doctor willing and able to talk about my sexuality. -I am gauranteed to find sex education literature for couples of my sexual orientation. -Because of my sexual orientation, I do not need to worry that people will harass me. -I have no need to qualify my straight identity. -My masculinity/femininity is not challenged because of my sexual orientation. -I am not identified by my sexual orientation. -I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help my sexual orientation will not work against me. -If my day, week, or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it has sexual orientation overtones. -Whether I rent or I go to a theatre, Blockbuster, an EFS or TOFS movie, I can be sure I will not have trouble finding my sexual orientation represented. -I can walk in public with my significant other and not have people double-take or stare. -I can choose to not think politically about my sexual orientation. -I do not have to worry about telling my roommate about my sexuality. It is assumed I am a heterosexual. -I can remain oblivious of the language and culture of LGBTQ folk without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion. -I can go for months without being called straight. -I'm not grouped because of my sexual orientation. -My individual behaviour does not reflect on people who identify as heterosexual. -In everyday conversation, the language my friends and I use generally assumes my sexual orientation. For example, sex inappropriately referring to only heterosexual sex or family meaning heterosexual relationships with children. -People do not assume I am experienced in sex (or that I even have it!) merely because of my sexual orientation. -I can kiss a person of the opposite gender without being watched and stared at or made to feel unsafe. -Nobody calls me straight with maliciousness. -People can use terms that describe my sexual orientation and mean positive things (IE "straight as an arrow", "standing up straight" or "straightened out") instead of demeaning terms (IE "eww, that's gay" or being "queer") -I am not asked to think about why I am straight. -I can be open about my sexual orientation without worrying about my job. -I have the innate ability to speak about disease without being stigmatized because of my sexual orientation.
This really is what brings it home for me. Those of us in privileged segments of society never have to be concerned about so many things that other people do have to worry about. Props to TL on the logo.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You sir, have revealed yourself as being totally dumb. You missed the point. There is no principal falsity of gays. It is quite natural.
On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote: Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc.
It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda?
But its not politics. Its just declaring that TL supports those people and they will find a safe place in this community. There is nothing political about saying everyone will be treated equally with in the community.
Love how showing compassion to other people is somehow a political issue.
These changes come through government laws and acts and that makes this a political issue same with civil rights and women's rights. They were also about human decency but were certainly considered political issues. Tax breaks could be considered showing compassion to the people getting the lowered taxes. Though just because it's a political issue doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed in the General forum here.
I disagree. Civil and Women's Rights were not political issues - and the fact that they had to be brought about by a change in politics is frankly an embarrassment in the history of human society.
Honestly, anything is a political issue as long as there is political disagreement. if voting for one party ensures that a certain policy will be adhered to and voting for another party ensures that another policy will be adhered to, it's a political issue.
this means that in say, norway, gay rights isn't a political issue, because every single party in parliament supports them. However in usa, gay rights is going to remain a political issue for as long as it takes the republican party to realize that public opinion has changed to such a degree that they need to alter their stance.
People on the internet are quick to jump on bandwagons but I doubt many of you would be as supportive as you are, if these matters touched upon your own life.
How would you react if one day....your father revealed to you that he wants to undergone surgery to transform himself to a woman and share the same bed with another man?
Would you be happy? If a genie appeared and allowed you turn him 'straight' and wipe his memory.... would you do it?
Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.
Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.
Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You sir, have revealed yourself as beeing totally dumb. You missed the point. There is no principal falsity of gays. It is quite natural.
It goes against the biological design of human beings...The principal point of sex being reproduction, which cannot occur in a gay relationship - is what he is trying to say.
On June 25 2013 01:04 fearus wrote: People on the internet are quick to jump on bandwagons but I doubt many of you would be as supportive as you are, if these matters touched upon your own life.
How would you react if one day....your father revealed to you that he wants to undergone surgery to transform himself to a woman and share the same bed with another man?
Would you be happy? If a genie appeared and allowed you turn him 'straight' and wipe his memory.... would you do it?
I don't post often enough, but this thread deserves positive support. Gay rights is intuitive and only a matter of time. If you don't understand, then you're probably not gay or never bothered to make any gay friends. I've seen my friends suffer enough to know this is the right choice.
On June 25 2013 01:04 fearus wrote: People on the internet are quick to jump on bandwagons but I doubt many of you would be as supportive as you are, if these matters touched upon your own life.
How would you react if one day....your father revealed to you that he wants to undergone surgery to transform himself to a woman and share the same bed with another man?
Would you be happy? If a genie appeared and allowed you turn him 'straight' and wipe his memory.... would you do it?
My father is an adult man. He can do whatever the flying fuck he wants. And I would fully support him.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You sir, have revealed yourself as beeing totally dumb. You missed the point. There is no principal falsity of gays. It is quite natural.
It goes against the biological design of human beings...The principal point of sex being reproduction, which cannot occur in a gay relationship - is what he is trying to say.
That argument always bothers me though... plenty of sterile people have sex and it doesn't seem to anger the Gods.
EPT
