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On June 25 2013 00:31 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:28 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 25 2013 00:12 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Iyerbeth wrote:On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGB T members especially never get abuse in every single thread. Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things. technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2. Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever. How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview? But we talk about the players' girlfriends all the time. When iNcontroL got married it was HUGE news. We talk about sexual orientation all the time. Check yo privilege please.
the topics of discussion in those cases would be girlfriends and marriage respectively, not sexual orientation. yes when incontrol gets married to a woman we kind of also know that he's straight, but that's not the point.
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The fact that there's so many negative reactions demonstrate why pride is important. Massive respect to the TL staff really. Who would've thought a rainbow could upset people so much, what are you so insecure about?
to the idiots spouting 'check yo privilege', thanks for nothing. Because nothing makes people more likely to warm up to you by being an obnoxious twat.
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On June 25 2013 00:30 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc. It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda?
It's not a political agenda. It's solidarity. And it's necessary because of people like you. You said that you think gays are disgusting and you wonder why people are standing up for them. Were you ever bullied in school? More likely the other way around I guess.
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On June 25 2013 00:30 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc. It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda?
Most of the community is in favor of it (sadly not everyone).
And I'm pretty sure it wasn't a decision by one admin alone.
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On June 25 2013 00:28 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 25 2013 00:12 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Iyerbeth wrote:On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGB T members especially never get abuse in every single thread. Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things. technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2. Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever. How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
Because people actually do care about what happens to their favourite players outside of starcraft? Mr Geoff Robinson and Anna Prosser's wedding certainly got lots of attention. Hell, mine got some too. When players are interviewed, they're frequently asked questions akin to "favourite food" "favourite non-sc2 hobby" or stuff like that. I'm not proposing that "what's your sexual orientation" becomes a staple question here, but I don't understand why it's something that needs to be shunned. Why should publicly expressing your love be an exclusively straight activity?
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On June 25 2013 00:30 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc. It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda?
But its not politics. Its just declaring that TL supports those people and they will find a safe place in this community. There is nothing political about saying everyone will be treated equally with in the community.
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On June 25 2013 00:28 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 25 2013 00:12 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Iyerbeth wrote:On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGB T members especially never get abuse in every single thread. Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things. technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2. Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever. How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
I think you're wrong on that point.
For example, a lot of people who suffer or have suffered from depression sees Nony as a good example/model, etc.
Same thing with Scarlett with trans people. It's just really cool to see someone like you being really good at the game.
Or even an easier example, when a player of a nationality is doing great people from that country are proud of him/her.
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On June 25 2013 00:33 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:31 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 00:28 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 25 2013 00:12 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Iyerbeth wrote:On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGB T members especially never get abuse in every single thread. Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things. technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2. Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever. How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview? But we talk about the players' girlfriends all the time. When iNcontroL got married it was HUGE news. We talk about sexual orientation all the time. Check yo privilege please. the topics of discussion in those cases would be girlfriends and marriage respectively, not sexual orientation. yes when incontrol gets married to a woman we kind of also know that he's straight, but that's not the point.
How on earth is talking about getting married to a woman or discussing a girlfriend not talking about orientation? It certainly has NOTHING TO DO WITH STARCRAFT!!! You are splitting hairs with surgical precision.
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On June 25 2013 00:32 Gowerly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:31 Mortal wrote:On June 25 2013 00:30 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:27 Mortal wrote:On June 25 2013 00:27 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Mortal wrote:Aw Plansix, blue cheese? Idk man, I'm a big cheese-lover, but I just can't get behind the blue >< I think I just suck. + Show Spoiler +There were so many potential "if you know what I mean's" in that post. Damn. Making blue cheese is gross. It smells. Hell, making cheese is kinda gross too. But we all get over it because we love pizza. I THINK I GOT THAT ONE + Show Spoiler + I have made sausage, as I am a country boy. It is foul on all levels, but people love it. You love it less if you make it though. Ignorance is bliss on this subject. I've actually had the misfortune of making sausage as well. It's a nasty little operation. Although I've come to enjoy eating it again. Despite the flashbacks. Why? do you put the animals into the smooshy machine live or something?
You need to go to the internet on this one. Just look up a video. Sausage is normally loaded by hand.
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On June 25 2013 00:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:30 theodorus12 wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc. It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda? But its not politics. Its just declaring that TL supports those people and they will find a safe place in this community. There is nothing political about saying everyone will be treated equally with in the community.
Love how showing compassion to other people is somehow a political issue.
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On June 25 2013 00:33 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:31 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 00:28 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 25 2013 00:12 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Iyerbeth wrote:On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGB T members especially never get abuse in every single thread. Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things. technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2. Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever. How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview? But we talk about the players' girlfriends all the time. When iNcontroL got married it was HUGE news. We talk about sexual orientation all the time. Check yo privilege please. the topics of discussion in those cases would be girlfriends and marriage respectively, not sexual orientation. yes when incontrol gets married to a woman we kind of also know that he's straight, but that's not the point.
And if i post some pics of a gay wedding and talk about the great sunny day, the delicious cake, the great wardrobe, you would never ever jump onto that in a negative way, because this thread would be about a marriage and not about the sexual orientation of the gay couple. Right?
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On June 25 2013 00:33 Yorke wrote:
The fact that there's so many negative reactions demonstrate why pride is important. Massive respect to the TL staff really. Who would've thought a rainbow could upset people so much, what are you so insecure about?
negative reactions across the world to neo-nazism? fight them with white power, eh? pride in the purity of our race is important!
(coming from an azn guy)
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On June 25 2013 00:33 Ventris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:32 Gowerly wrote:On June 25 2013 00:31 Mortal wrote:On June 25 2013 00:30 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:27 Mortal wrote:On June 25 2013 00:27 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Mortal wrote:Aw Plansix, blue cheese? Idk man, I'm a big cheese-lover, but I just can't get behind the blue >< I think I just suck. + Show Spoiler +There were so many potential "if you know what I mean's" in that post. Damn. Making blue cheese is gross. It smells. Hell, making cheese is kinda gross too. But we all get over it because we love pizza. I THINK I GOT THAT ONE + Show Spoiler + I have made sausage, as I am a country boy. It is foul on all levels, but people love it. You love it less if you make it though. Ignorance is bliss on this subject. I've actually had the misfortune of making sausage as well. It's a nasty little operation. Although I've come to enjoy eating it again. Despite the flashbacks. Why? do you put the animals into the smooshy machine live or something? What, are you supposed to kill them before? I never knew... ;o
i may have made a mistake. i just put a cow in a balloon..
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I like it  . All love, no hate.
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On June 25 2013 00:34 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:30 theodorus12 wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc. It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda? It's not a political agenda. It's solidarity. And it's necessary because of people like you. You said that you think gays are disgusting and you wonder why people are standing up for them. Were you ever bullied in school? More likely the other way around I guess.
So where is the solidarity with all the other minorities who have far less rights than gays?
And what is the problem with me finding gays disgusting? Do i think they should have the right to marriage and all other rights? Yes, as long as they don't adopt children. But I still think it's extremely disgusting what they are doing, but this is my right and no one needs to stand up for them about this.
And what has this to do with me being bullied in school?
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On June 25 2013 00:29 FetTerBender wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:25 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:24 FetTerBender wrote:On June 25 2013 00:21 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:19 Ventris wrote:On June 25 2013 00:17 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:16 Ventris wrote:On June 25 2013 00:15 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:15 Julmust wrote:On June 25 2013 00:10 Big-t wrote:
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I am ok with the banner, seriously I like it.
BUT I don´t accept gays. It´s so simple. I asked before, but you mustve missed the post. Care to explain WHY you dont accept gays? (and that youre not suppose to have anal sex cant be the only reason) Why can´t it be only reason??? Because its ridiculously moronic? Ah.... no? It´s disgusting (but that´s subjective) Why do you even care how other people live there sexlife. It's absolutely none of your bussiness. I sure hope you are some kind of troll honestly. Thank you bringing this up, I simply don´t want walking for instant along the street and suddenly some gays are kissing next to me. WTF! So? I dont want to see idiots holding signs with "god hates fags", still i have to endure such stupidity. No you don´t have to, go to them and talk to them... It becomes problematic when TV shows such things... So if you see a gay couple kissing you would really go to them and ask them to stop it? (Assuming you would do that in a ... positive and ... friendly? manner)
If I see a couple(gay or not) kissing I find it to be annoying, depending on the level of the kiss. A little smoochie? no problem. Trying to eat each other out? That's a problem. Regardless of who it is.
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On June 25 2013 00:34 Keniji wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:30 theodorus12 wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc. It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda? Most of the community is in favor of it (sadly not everyone).
Why is that sad? I can disagree with a person's or community's choices without hating or vilifying those people. I respectfully disagree...
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Insulting people for their intolerance of gays won't change their opinions, so just ignore them and move on. People can believe whatever stupid things they want to, issues arise when they act on those opinions, like teaching creationism is schools.
If you really care about the issue put forward to people a sound argument, backed by evidence, that may change peoples minds and change the outcome of votes.
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On June 25 2013 00:38 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:34 Arghmyliver wrote:On June 25 2013 00:30 theodorus12 wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc. It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda? It's not a political agenda. It's solidarity. And it's necessary because of people like you. You said that you think gays are disgusting and you wonder why people are standing up for them. Were you ever bullied in school? More likely the other way around I guess. So where is the solidarity with all the other minorities who have far less rights than gays? And what is the problem with me finding gays disgusting? Do i think they should have the right to marriage and all other rights? Yes, as long as they don't adopt children. But I still think it's extremely disgusting what they are doing, but this is my right and no one needs to stand up for them about this. And what has this to do with me being bullied in school?
What about two men or women loving each other is disgusting? Are you normally disgusted by love? I assume you mean physical things like anal sex? You know - they could have a relationship without having anal sex. There are heterosexual couples who don't fornicate.
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On June 25 2013 00:30 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc. It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda?
This is not political agenda , these are basic human rights that are being denied because of sexual orientation and I for one support TL to be backing the process of giving them back.
I mean you can ignore the gay rights altogether and be hateful against homosexual people (I dont know what the hell have they done to you simply by existing...) but that doesnt mean homosexuals will vanish from america because of it.
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