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On June 25 2013 00:25 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:24 FetTerBender wrote:On June 25 2013 00:21 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:19 Ventris wrote:On June 25 2013 00:17 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:16 Ventris wrote:On June 25 2013 00:15 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:15 Julmust wrote:On June 25 2013 00:10 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:09 Plansix wrote:
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If you freak out this badly over a rainbow mane in the banner, I think they might be ok. I am ok with the banner, seriously I like it. BUT I don´t accept gays. It´s so simple. I asked before, but you mustve missed the post. Care to explain WHY you dont accept gays? (and that youre not suppose to have anal sex cant be the only reason) Why can´t it be only reason??? Because its ridiculously moronic? Ah.... no? It´s disgusting (but that´s subjective) Why do you even care how other people live there sexlife. It's absolutely none of your bussiness. I sure hope you are some kind of troll honestly. Thank you bringing this up, I simply don´t want walking for instant along the street and suddenly some gays are kissing next to me. WTF! So? I dont want to see idiots holding signs with "god hates fags", still i have to endure such stupidity. No you don´t have to, go to them and talk to them... It becomes problematic when TV shows such things...
But you apparently have to go to any couple that are not straight and be NEXT TO THEM when they kiss, or do they just run over to you when they see you and force themselves on you while they are doing their thing?
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On June 25 2013 00:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:25 Mortal wrote:Aw Plansix, blue cheese? Idk man, I'm a big cheese-lover, but I just can't get behind the blue >< I think I just suck. + Show Spoiler +There were so many potential "if you know what I mean's" in that post. Damn. Making blue cheese is gross. It smells. Hell, making cheese is kinda gross too. But we all get over it because we love pizza.
I THINK I GOT THAT ONE
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On June 25 2013 00:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:12 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Iyerbeth wrote:On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGB T members especially never get abuse in every single thread. Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things. technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2. Racism is very evident in sports. The main reason is that there are actual black athletes who are subject to it and whom are vocal in their opposition to it. Homophobia is not so apparent in sports. Even though supporters frequently sing or chant anti-gay songs or slogans, there are virtually no actual targets of the homophobia; because there are almost no openly gay athletes. Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever.
considering the sheer amount of pro players and the percentage of homosexuals out there, i'm convinced there are numerous gay progamers. i agree it is unfortunate that they feel the need to hide their sexuality, although i think that some might not even try to hide it, it's just a topic that is so far removed from e-sports that it just isn't talked about and so we don't know. even if a gay person doesn't hide their sexuality, they may not feel the need to tell everyone that they're gay, and why should they? i don't feel the need to tell others i'm straight.
in terms of racism, you're right about black people, of course. but we obviously have a lot of asian players and i honestly cannot remember a single racist comment about any asian player, or even towards a white player from someone who is not white. i also don't remember any racism targeted towards middle-easterners (ethnically) like Haypro. that's pretty awesome in my opinion.
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Oh ... so that's why it's a rainbow. Pretty cool.
Because of this thread a laerned so many things !
- United states have not legalised gay marriage in all their states (i thought they had).
- The word Transwoman. I thought you have to say transman or transgeder in this way (the other way around).
- A lot of TL users are in love with Snute.
- Some people are really uptight
- You can't say : "it's a gay strategy" because it's offensive. (I have a friend that is gay and he tells me that everytime i cheese him IG. "You're so gay 9pooling"). So i never thought about it as a bad thing to say.
- The rainbow color is international (i thought it was just France).
- Pluto is not a planet ???
- i am not the only one that spit coffee with the dolphin joke. (also WTF ? i did not know that too)
- Big-t remains unbanned
And also this ...
On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
Damn... what have i done ?
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On June 25 2013 00:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:12 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Iyerbeth wrote:On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGB T members especially never get abuse in every single thread. Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things. technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2. Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever.
How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
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On June 25 2013 00:25 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:24 FetTerBender wrote:On June 25 2013 00:21 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:19 Ventris wrote:On June 25 2013 00:17 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:16 Ventris wrote:On June 25 2013 00:15 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:15 Julmust wrote:On June 25 2013 00:10 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:09 Plansix wrote:
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If you freak out this badly over a rainbow mane in the banner, I think they might be ok. I am ok with the banner, seriously I like it. BUT I don´t accept gays. It´s so simple. I asked before, but you mustve missed the post. Care to explain WHY you dont accept gays? (and that youre not suppose to have anal sex cant be the only reason) Why can´t it be only reason??? Because its ridiculously moronic? Ah.... no? It´s disgusting (but that´s subjective) Why do you even care how other people live there sexlife. It's absolutely none of your bussiness. I sure hope you are some kind of troll honestly. Thank you bringing this up, I simply don´t want walking for instant along the street and suddenly some gays are kissing next to me. WTF! So? I dont want to see idiots holding signs with "god hates fags", still i have to endure such stupidity. No you don´t have to, go to them and talk to them... It becomes problematic when TV shows such things...
Change the channel. I do it all the time and its awesome. I never see stuff I don't want to watch.
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I respect that as a private entity the site is entitled to its opinion as well, but I would just like to quote that age old disclaimer:
"The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff."
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On June 25 2013 00:19 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:17 ilmeeni wrote:On June 25 2013 00:16 Arghmyliver wrote:On June 25 2013 00:12 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:11 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 00:09 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:06 FliedLice wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You can't be fucking serious. You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before. You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this. Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness! And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong. Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER! Male dolphins penetrate each other in the blowhole. I'm pretty sure they aren't trying to reproduce. What's your point again? The blowhole? I did not need to know this. So male dolphins, literally can give each other "blow" jobs? Fascinating.
and sometimes a dog tries to hump the leg of a person. Fascinating. Does not make bestiality the right thing to do, even though it happens in nature.
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On June 25 2013 00:25 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:24 FetTerBender wrote:On June 25 2013 00:21 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:19 Ventris wrote:On June 25 2013 00:17 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:16 Ventris wrote:On June 25 2013 00:15 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:15 Julmust wrote:On June 25 2013 00:10 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:09 Plansix wrote:
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If you freak out this badly over a rainbow mane in the banner, I think they might be ok. I am ok with the banner, seriously I like it. BUT I don´t accept gays. It´s so simple. I asked before, but you mustve missed the post. Care to explain WHY you dont accept gays? (and that youre not suppose to have anal sex cant be the only reason) Why can´t it be only reason??? Because its ridiculously moronic? Ah.... no? It´s disgusting (but that´s subjective) Why do you even care how other people live there sexlife. It's absolutely none of your bussiness. I sure hope you are some kind of troll honestly. Thank you bringing this up, I simply don´t want walking for instant along the street and suddenly some gays are kissing next to me. WTF! So? I dont want to see idiots holding signs with "god hates fags", still i have to endure such stupidity. No you don´t have to, go to them and talk to them... It becomes problematic when TV shows such things...
So if you see a gay couple kissing you would really go to them and ask them to stop it?
(Assuming you would do that in a ... positive and ... friendly? manner)
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I just wanted to post to say that I'm really proud that TL is willing to step forward (and potentially take criticism) for such a vital social issue.
The gaming community is particularly polarized in this, I think. While there are lots of gamers who are pro-equality, it's also 'accepted' to make fun of people or insult your opponents (or even your friends) through whatever avenues comes to mind - a facet of our gamer culture that I would be more than glad if it disappeared entirely as it encourages all sorts of bigoted behavior.
TL Fighting
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On June 25 2013 00:27 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:27 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Mortal wrote:Aw Plansix, blue cheese? Idk man, I'm a big cheese-lover, but I just can't get behind the blue >< I think I just suck. + Show Spoiler +There were so many potential "if you know what I mean's" in that post. Damn. Making blue cheese is gross. It smells. Hell, making cheese is kinda gross too. But we all get over it because we love pizza. I THINK I GOT THAT ONE + Show Spoiler +
I have made sausage, as I am a country boy. It is foul on all levels, but people love it. You love it less if you make it though. Ignorance is bliss on this subject.
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On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha.
And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc.
It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda?
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On June 25 2013 00:28 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 25 2013 00:12 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Iyerbeth wrote:On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGB T members especially never get abuse in every single thread. Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things. technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2. Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever. How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
No but at the same time no one calls your prolapsed rectum an "offense against god"
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On June 25 2013 00:28 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 25 2013 00:12 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Iyerbeth wrote:On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGB T members especially never get abuse in every single thread. Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things. technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2. Maybe the same thing is true for homosexual sc2 players? Perhaps we actually do have a gay progamer or two, they just don't want to openly identify as gay, because then they'd get hundreds of funny people responding with "ha ha well that certainly explains why he plays like one!!" or whatever. How about because sexual orientation has got nothing to do with Starcraft? What makes a progamer think that Starcraft fans are interested in whether he is gay or not? If I suffer from a prolapsed rectum (not saying being gay is a disease btw), is there a need to announce it in a proleague interview?
But we talk about the players' girlfriends all the time. When iNcontroL got married it was HUGE news. We talk about sexual orientation all the time. Check yo privilege please.
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Keep on being awesome TL I'm glad our community can openly support its LGBT members. As a non LGBT member this has no real effects on me but im glad we as a community can have these inclusive movements. Also one of, if not my favourite player is Scarlett so to see a step towards equality for women like her is excellent.
Keep up the good work TL!
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On June 25 2013 00:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:27 Mortal wrote:On June 25 2013 00:27 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Mortal wrote:Aw Plansix, blue cheese? Idk man, I'm a big cheese-lover, but I just can't get behind the blue >< I think I just suck. + Show Spoiler +There were so many potential "if you know what I mean's" in that post. Damn. Making blue cheese is gross. It smells. Hell, making cheese is kinda gross too. But we all get over it because we love pizza. I THINK I GOT THAT ONE + Show Spoiler + I have made sausage, as I am a country boy. It is foul on all levels, but people love it. You love it less if you make it though. Ignorance is bliss on this subject.
I've actually had the misfortune of making sausage as well. It's a nasty little operation. Although I've come to enjoy eating it again. Despite the flashbacks.
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On June 25 2013 00:30 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:25 Meatloaf wrote:
Lots of trolls in these posts.
hope the gay rights go forward in the US , I had the opportunity of sharing the joy of two friends (one of them a coworker) when gay marriage was approved in spain and can say one thing:
you must treat people as people , they are not asking for more than any other heterosexual person theyre asking to be the same in front of the law , to get married and to get his rights as a couple as any other couple out there.
its not a butts and penises argument... its about people and their right to live and be who they are as is... without hiding nothing as it was some kind of criminal behavior.
I just love how everyone who doesn't agree with your views is a troll haha. And like I already said, it's not that the people disagreeing with this hate gays, they might think that gays are disgusting, like I do. But it has noting to do with not wanting gays to have the same right etc. It's just that this is the wrong place for it, why should a site that was built by its community, be abused by some admin only to push his political agenda?
And which of your 45 posts was the one that helped build this site?
And again, for the hundredth time, this is nothing to do with politics its about general human decency.
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On June 25 2013 00:31 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:30 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:27 Mortal wrote:On June 25 2013 00:27 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Mortal wrote:Aw Plansix, blue cheese? Idk man, I'm a big cheese-lover, but I just can't get behind the blue >< I think I just suck. + Show Spoiler +There were so many potential "if you know what I mean's" in that post. Damn. Making blue cheese is gross. It smells. Hell, making cheese is kinda gross too. But we all get over it because we love pizza. I THINK I GOT THAT ONE + Show Spoiler + I have made sausage, as I am a country boy. It is foul on all levels, but people love it. You love it less if you make it though. Ignorance is bliss on this subject. I've actually had the misfortune of making sausage as well. It's a nasty little operation. Although I've come to enjoy eating it again. Despite the flashbacks.
Why? do you put the animals into the smooshy machine live or something?
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Despite agreeing with TL on most things due to my own progressive leanings, I do agree that it's wrong to just shut out any opinion just because you disagree with it. If someone disagrees with gay marriage or transexuality, that's their deal, and they're free to think so as long as they're not a dick about it. It goes both ways, people saying that we should hang the gays and people saying we should burn down churches because they disagree with gay marriage are, to me, in the same boat.
But that's neither here nor there and has no real relevancy in this thread because it's simply not happening. They're not "shoving their agenda" down your throat by showing their support for one side of the debate, just like gay people aren't trying to make you gay by being in the general vicinity of you. If they were to, say, make a forum dedicated to gay rights that took precedence over eSports and banned any dissension then you'd have a point, but right now it's just a fucking rainbow horse that you don't even have to acknowledge.
I hate the hypocrisy in the progressive movement just like I hate people like Big-t who give them a reason to be hypocritical.
In any other thread he would've just been banned as soon he started spouting homophobic circular rhetoric but now it's just become a circlejerk beating up an unrealistically extremist and stupid example of the other side of the debate.
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On June 25 2013 00:32 Gowerly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:31 Mortal wrote:On June 25 2013 00:30 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:27 Mortal wrote:On June 25 2013 00:27 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:25 Mortal wrote:Aw Plansix, blue cheese? Idk man, I'm a big cheese-lover, but I just can't get behind the blue >< I think I just suck. + Show Spoiler +There were so many potential "if you know what I mean's" in that post. Damn. Making blue cheese is gross. It smells. Hell, making cheese is kinda gross too. But we all get over it because we love pizza. I THINK I GOT THAT ONE + Show Spoiler + I have made sausage, as I am a country boy. It is foul on all levels, but people love it. You love it less if you make it though. Ignorance is bliss on this subject. I've actually had the misfortune of making sausage as well. It's a nasty little operation. Although I've come to enjoy eating it again. Despite the flashbacks. Why? do you put the animals into the smooshy machine live or something?
What, are you supposed to kill them before? I never knew... ;o
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