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Who gives a shit what your religion believes. You don't get to make decisions for people based off your fairy tales.
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On June 30 2013 06:24 ZackAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 06:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 05:47 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 05:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:Joe Biden said: Life begins at conception in the church's judgment. I accept it in my personal life. But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others
That is so wrong on so many levels. Why? Sounds pretty good to me. According to Catholic doctrine, abortion is both an intrinsic evil, and a mortal sin. Basically, abortion is so evil and heinous in the eyes of God that, committed without repentance, it will result in the damnation of the person who procured it. In fact, procuring an abortion itself is singled out as a cause for automatic excommunication. Thus, it is considered the duty of every Catholic politician to do everything within their power to limit and eventually eliminate abortion. For a politician to recognize and accept the Catholic teaching on abortion (to do otherwise publicly would be heresy, arguably worse) but still support it's legalization is considered to be a grave sin itself, much akin to the actions of Pontius Pilate, who condemned Christ despite knowing his innocence. For Joe Biden to say he refuses to "impose" his belief on others through legislation is, according to the beliefs he espouses, the same thing as a Catholic politician claiming that he refuses to impose upon others his own belief in the evil of lynching blacks. According to Catholic doctrine, they are similar moral statements.I am of the opinion (shared by many Catholics, including the Bishop in Biden's hometown of Scranton, Penn.) that Biden and other Catholic pro-choice politicians should be denied access to communion and publicly repudiated. I am also of the opinion that any Catholic politician claiming that his pro-choice stance does not run counter to the doctrine of abortion should be publicly excommunicated. I mean, it's a bit off-topic, but it holds a particular relevance to me, being a devout Catholic myself. lol. So it's wrong in the eyes of the church. Well, it's exactly in line with US law and constitution. I'd much rather my politicians stay true to the country then their religion. We don't live in a theocracy.
Being that I assume your are not Catholic, that is perfectly understandable. For a Catholic, however, the hypocrisy and moral weakness of the statement, combined with the absolute disregard for the mortal danger of which Biden has placed his own soul (and the danger in which he inadvertently places others through his actions and example) is appalling, and as disturbing as anything I can think of. To see a man willingly and knowingly place himself against his own God and Church is very troubling to me.
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On June 30 2013 05:35 Jan1997 wrote:
Because it denies humans lives. Anyways same thing kinda goes for rape. i don't think abortion is ok there either. If the woman does not want her baby then you could just adopt it away to someone who gives a sh*t.
So do condoms, and I don't think you quite have a grasp on what child birth would be like. I'd recommend not posting again. Ever.
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On June 30 2013 06:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 06:24 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 06:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 05:47 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 05:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:Joe Biden said: Life begins at conception in the church's judgment. I accept it in my personal life. But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others
That is so wrong on so many levels. Why? Sounds pretty good to me. According to Catholic doctrine, abortion is both an intrinsic evil, and a mortal sin. Basically, abortion is so evil and heinous in the eyes of God that, committed without repentance, it will result in the damnation of the person who procured it. In fact, procuring an abortion itself is singled out as a cause for automatic excommunication. Thus, it is considered the duty of every Catholic politician to do everything within their power to limit and eventually eliminate abortion. For a politician to recognize and accept the Catholic teaching on abortion (to do otherwise publicly would be heresy, arguably worse) but still support it's legalization is considered to be a grave sin itself, much akin to the actions of Pontius Pilate, who condemned Christ despite knowing his innocence. For Joe Biden to say he refuses to "impose" his belief on others through legislation is, according to the beliefs he espouses, the same thing as a Catholic politician claiming that he refuses to impose upon others his own belief in the evil of lynching blacks. According to Catholic doctrine, they are similar moral statements.I am of the opinion (shared by many Catholics, including the Bishop in Biden's hometown of Scranton, Penn.) that Biden and other Catholic pro-choice politicians should be denied access to communion and publicly repudiated. I am also of the opinion that any Catholic politician claiming that his pro-choice stance does not run counter to the doctrine of abortion should be publicly excommunicated. I mean, it's a bit off-topic, but it holds a particular relevance to me, being a devout Catholic myself. lol. So it's wrong in the eyes of the church. Well, it's exactly in line with US law and constitution. I'd much rather my politicians stay true to the country then their religion. We don't live in a theocracy. Being that I assume your are not Catholic, that is perfectly understandable. For a Catholic, however, the hypocrisy and moral weakness of the statement, combined with the absolute disregard for the mortal danger of which Biden has placed his own soul (and the danger in which he inadvertently places others through his actions and example) is appalling, and as disturbing as anything I can think of. To see a man willingly and knowingly place himself against his own God and Church is very troubling to me.
There is a difference between witnessing your faith and literally making it the law to follow what the bible says. I'm glad your not the vice president of the US.
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On June 30 2013 06:31 USA. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 05:35 Jan1997 wrote:
Because it denies humans lives. Anyways same thing kinda goes for rape. i don't think abortion is ok there either. If the woman does not want her baby then you could just adopt it away to someone who gives a sh*t. So do condoms, and I don't think you quite have a grasp on what child birth would be like. I'd recommend not posting again. Ever.
Try not to take things so personally, I know this topic is very one sided here on TL, and religion often obscures the other side. But some people just value the potential human being/fetus/embryo/zygote more than the process of childbirth.
For me personally, it's around week 9 where I would draw the line to stop abortions, as it is considered a fetus and that is an arbitrary place to do it, but aborting a zygote is not equivalent to aborting a fetus in its third trimester. If you can't manage to make a decision on your future child < 9 weeks into your pregnancy, you are just irresponsible (for cases outside of rape/incest). Even all the way up to week 13 (first trimester) would be OK, but once you are into second and third trimester abortion is irresponsible in most situations. Gotta draw the line somewhere, and no I don't believe that a zygote is a human being.
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On June 30 2013 05:35 Jan1997 wrote:
This thread is kinda f*cked, but whatever. The fact that we have 46 pages of nothing but arguments, counterarguments and so on is a good indicator that things can go both ways. But i mean seriousely though. Abortion for the most part is a bad thing. Why so? you may ask, and the answer is simple. Because it denies humans lives. What would have happened if my parents took abortion? I wouldn't have been here. Did you really not want me to exist?? Too bad. Anyways same thing kinda goes for rape. i don't think abortion is ok there either. If the woman does not want her baby then you could just adopt it away to someone who gives a sh*t.
Denying human life in and of itself is meaningless... unless you think condoms and other forms of birth control are bad too?
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On June 30 2013 06:37 ZackAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 06:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:24 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 06:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 05:47 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 05:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:Joe Biden said: Life begins at conception in the church's judgment. I accept it in my personal life. But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others
That is so wrong on so many levels. Why? Sounds pretty good to me. According to Catholic doctrine, abortion is both an intrinsic evil, and a mortal sin. Basically, abortion is so evil and heinous in the eyes of God that, committed without repentance, it will result in the damnation of the person who procured it. In fact, procuring an abortion itself is singled out as a cause for automatic excommunication. Thus, it is considered the duty of every Catholic politician to do everything within their power to limit and eventually eliminate abortion. For a politician to recognize and accept the Catholic teaching on abortion (to do otherwise publicly would be heresy, arguably worse) but still support it's legalization is considered to be a grave sin itself, much akin to the actions of Pontius Pilate, who condemned Christ despite knowing his innocence. For Joe Biden to say he refuses to "impose" his belief on others through legislation is, according to the beliefs he espouses, the same thing as a Catholic politician claiming that he refuses to impose upon others his own belief in the evil of lynching blacks. According to Catholic doctrine, they are similar moral statements.I am of the opinion (shared by many Catholics, including the Bishop in Biden's hometown of Scranton, Penn.) that Biden and other Catholic pro-choice politicians should be denied access to communion and publicly repudiated. I am also of the opinion that any Catholic politician claiming that his pro-choice stance does not run counter to the doctrine of abortion should be publicly excommunicated. I mean, it's a bit off-topic, but it holds a particular relevance to me, being a devout Catholic myself. lol. So it's wrong in the eyes of the church. Well, it's exactly in line with US law and constitution. I'd much rather my politicians stay true to the country then their religion. We don't live in a theocracy. Being that I assume your are not Catholic, that is perfectly understandable. For a Catholic, however, the hypocrisy and moral weakness of the statement, combined with the absolute disregard for the mortal danger of which Biden has placed his own soul (and the danger in which he inadvertently places others through his actions and example) is appalling, and as disturbing as anything I can think of. To see a man willingly and knowingly place himself against his own God and Church is very troubling to me. There is a difference between witnessing your faith and literally making it the law to follow what the bible says. I'm glad your not the vice president of the US.
Most people would be glad that I'm not the vice-president or the president. I place myself firmly in that group. That being said, the Catholic church, the church and faith Mr. Biden belongs to, says that there is no difference between witnessing one's faith and practicing one's faith. As I said, none of this will mean much to someone who is not Catholic, however, to those who are Catholic this quite literally means everything.
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On June 30 2013 07:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 06:37 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 06:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:24 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 06:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 05:47 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 05:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:Joe Biden said: Life begins at conception in the church's judgment. I accept it in my personal life. But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others
That is so wrong on so many levels. Why? Sounds pretty good to me. According to Catholic doctrine, abortion is both an intrinsic evil, and a mortal sin. Basically, abortion is so evil and heinous in the eyes of God that, committed without repentance, it will result in the damnation of the person who procured it. In fact, procuring an abortion itself is singled out as a cause for automatic excommunication. Thus, it is considered the duty of every Catholic politician to do everything within their power to limit and eventually eliminate abortion. For a politician to recognize and accept the Catholic teaching on abortion (to do otherwise publicly would be heresy, arguably worse) but still support it's legalization is considered to be a grave sin itself, much akin to the actions of Pontius Pilate, who condemned Christ despite knowing his innocence. For Joe Biden to say he refuses to "impose" his belief on others through legislation is, according to the beliefs he espouses, the same thing as a Catholic politician claiming that he refuses to impose upon others his own belief in the evil of lynching blacks. According to Catholic doctrine, they are similar moral statements.I am of the opinion (shared by many Catholics, including the Bishop in Biden's hometown of Scranton, Penn.) that Biden and other Catholic pro-choice politicians should be denied access to communion and publicly repudiated. I am also of the opinion that any Catholic politician claiming that his pro-choice stance does not run counter to the doctrine of abortion should be publicly excommunicated. I mean, it's a bit off-topic, but it holds a particular relevance to me, being a devout Catholic myself. lol. So it's wrong in the eyes of the church. Well, it's exactly in line with US law and constitution. I'd much rather my politicians stay true to the country then their religion. We don't live in a theocracy. Being that I assume your are not Catholic, that is perfectly understandable. For a Catholic, however, the hypocrisy and moral weakness of the statement, combined with the absolute disregard for the mortal danger of which Biden has placed his own soul (and the danger in which he inadvertently places others through his actions and example) is appalling, and as disturbing as anything I can think of. To see a man willingly and knowingly place himself against his own God and Church is very troubling to me. There is a difference between witnessing your faith and literally making it the law to follow what the bible says. I'm glad your not the vice president of the US. Most people would be glad that I'm not the vice-president or the president. I place myself firmly in that group. That being said, the Catholic church, the church and faith Mr. Biden belongs to, says that there is no difference between witnessing one's faith and practicing one's faith. As I said, none of this will mean much to someone who is not Catholic, however, to those who are Catholic this quite literally means everything.
I understand what you are saying. Would you rather have leaders that are not Catholic, Catholic but don't enforce it with laws, or Catholic and make laws that agree with them?
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On June 30 2013 06:31 USA. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 05:35 Jan1997 wrote:
Because it denies humans lives. Anyways same thing kinda goes for rape. i don't think abortion is ok there either. If the woman does not want her baby then you could just adopt it away to someone who gives a sh*t. So do condoms, and I don't think you quite have a grasp on what child birth would be like. I'd recommend not posting again. Ever.
A sperm on its own is going to grow into a baby? Interesting.
Why do people think it's okay to act like the thought police and tell people to shut up and stop harming their fragile little egos with dissenting opinions, this isn't Maoist China and we aren't at a village self-criticism meeting where any freethinkers who don't toe the party line are fair game for abuse.
Who gives a shit what your religion believes. You don't get to make decisions for people based off your fairy tales.
What gives you the right to declare what people can and cannot make decisions based off of, why should anyone care what you believe if you're going to say "what you think doesn't matter who gives a shit you believe in fairy tales" when they disagree with you.
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On June 30 2013 07:28 ZackAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:37 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 06:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:24 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 06:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 05:47 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 05:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:Joe Biden said: Life begins at conception in the church's judgment. I accept it in my personal life. But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others
That is so wrong on so many levels. Why? Sounds pretty good to me. According to Catholic doctrine, abortion is both an intrinsic evil, and a mortal sin. Basically, abortion is so evil and heinous in the eyes of God that, committed without repentance, it will result in the damnation of the person who procured it. In fact, procuring an abortion itself is singled out as a cause for automatic excommunication. Thus, it is considered the duty of every Catholic politician to do everything within their power to limit and eventually eliminate abortion. For a politician to recognize and accept the Catholic teaching on abortion (to do otherwise publicly would be heresy, arguably worse) but still support it's legalization is considered to be a grave sin itself, much akin to the actions of Pontius Pilate, who condemned Christ despite knowing his innocence. For Joe Biden to say he refuses to "impose" his belief on others through legislation is, according to the beliefs he espouses, the same thing as a Catholic politician claiming that he refuses to impose upon others his own belief in the evil of lynching blacks. According to Catholic doctrine, they are similar moral statements.I am of the opinion (shared by many Catholics, including the Bishop in Biden's hometown of Scranton, Penn.) that Biden and other Catholic pro-choice politicians should be denied access to communion and publicly repudiated. I am also of the opinion that any Catholic politician claiming that his pro-choice stance does not run counter to the doctrine of abortion should be publicly excommunicated. I mean, it's a bit off-topic, but it holds a particular relevance to me, being a devout Catholic myself. lol. So it's wrong in the eyes of the church. Well, it's exactly in line with US law and constitution. I'd much rather my politicians stay true to the country then their religion. We don't live in a theocracy. Being that I assume your are not Catholic, that is perfectly understandable. For a Catholic, however, the hypocrisy and moral weakness of the statement, combined with the absolute disregard for the mortal danger of which Biden has placed his own soul (and the danger in which he inadvertently places others through his actions and example) is appalling, and as disturbing as anything I can think of. To see a man willingly and knowingly place himself against his own God and Church is very troubling to me. There is a difference between witnessing your faith and literally making it the law to follow what the bible says. I'm glad your not the vice president of the US. Most people would be glad that I'm not the vice-president or the president. I place myself firmly in that group. That being said, the Catholic church, the church and faith Mr. Biden belongs to, says that there is no difference between witnessing one's faith and practicing one's faith. As I said, none of this will mean much to someone who is not Catholic, however, to those who are Catholic this quite literally means everything. I understand what you are saying. Would you rather have leaders that are not Catholic, Catholic but don't enforce it with laws, or Catholic and make laws that agree with them?
Obviously I would rather have Catholic leaders who pass laws that largely agree with the Church's positions, especially on issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc. I would least like having leaders who are Catholic but actually legislate against their own (and my) beliefs and morality. Being that legislation in general (and this legislation in particular) is all moral/philosophically based, I prefer having those in power who share my own moral/philosophical views and hold to them.
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On June 30 2013 07:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:28 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 07:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:37 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 06:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:24 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 06:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 30 2013 05:47 ZackAttack wrote:On June 30 2013 05:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:Joe Biden said: Life begins at conception in the church's judgment. I accept it in my personal life. But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others
That is so wrong on so many levels. Why? Sounds pretty good to me. According to Catholic doctrine, abortion is both an intrinsic evil, and a mortal sin. Basically, abortion is so evil and heinous in the eyes of God that, committed without repentance, it will result in the damnation of the person who procured it. In fact, procuring an abortion itself is singled out as a cause for automatic excommunication. Thus, it is considered the duty of every Catholic politician to do everything within their power to limit and eventually eliminate abortion. For a politician to recognize and accept the Catholic teaching on abortion (to do otherwise publicly would be heresy, arguably worse) but still support it's legalization is considered to be a grave sin itself, much akin to the actions of Pontius Pilate, who condemned Christ despite knowing his innocence. For Joe Biden to say he refuses to "impose" his belief on others through legislation is, according to the beliefs he espouses, the same thing as a Catholic politician claiming that he refuses to impose upon others his own belief in the evil of lynching blacks. According to Catholic doctrine, they are similar moral statements.I am of the opinion (shared by many Catholics, including the Bishop in Biden's hometown of Scranton, Penn.) that Biden and other Catholic pro-choice politicians should be denied access to communion and publicly repudiated. I am also of the opinion that any Catholic politician claiming that his pro-choice stance does not run counter to the doctrine of abortion should be publicly excommunicated. I mean, it's a bit off-topic, but it holds a particular relevance to me, being a devout Catholic myself. lol. So it's wrong in the eyes of the church. Well, it's exactly in line with US law and constitution. I'd much rather my politicians stay true to the country then their religion. We don't live in a theocracy. Being that I assume your are not Catholic, that is perfectly understandable. For a Catholic, however, the hypocrisy and moral weakness of the statement, combined with the absolute disregard for the mortal danger of which Biden has placed his own soul (and the danger in which he inadvertently places others through his actions and example) is appalling, and as disturbing as anything I can think of. To see a man willingly and knowingly place himself against his own God and Church is very troubling to me. There is a difference between witnessing your faith and literally making it the law to follow what the bible says. I'm glad your not the vice president of the US. Most people would be glad that I'm not the vice-president or the president. I place myself firmly in that group. That being said, the Catholic church, the church and faith Mr. Biden belongs to, says that there is no difference between witnessing one's faith and practicing one's faith. As I said, none of this will mean much to someone who is not Catholic, however, to those who are Catholic this quite literally means everything. I understand what you are saying. Would you rather have leaders that are not Catholic, Catholic but don't enforce it with laws, or Catholic and make laws that agree with them? Obviously I would rather have Catholic leaders who pass laws that largely agree with the Church's positions, especially on issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc. I would least like having leaders who are Catholic but actually legislate against their own (and my) beliefs and morality. Being that legislation in general (and this legislation in particular) is all moral/philosophically based, I prefer having those in power who share my own moral/philosophical views and hold to them.
Then you prefer a Catholic theocracy to a secular free republic. I think it is pretty clear that that would be a step backwards from even our admittedly dysfunctional current democracy.
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This is a stupid thread. Things would be different if men carried the babies, lemme tell ya.
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On June 30 2013 07:32 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 06:31 USA. wrote:On June 30 2013 05:35 Jan1997 wrote:
Because it denies humans lives. Anyways same thing kinda goes for rape. i don't think abortion is ok there either. If the woman does not want her baby then you could just adopt it away to someone who gives a sh*t. So do condoms, and I don't think you quite have a grasp on what child birth would be like. I'd recommend not posting again. Ever. A sperm on its own is going to grow into a baby? Interesting. Why do people think it's okay to act like the thought police and tell people to shut up and stop harming their fragile little egos with dissenting opinions, this isn't Maoist China and we aren't at a village self-criticism meeting where any freethinkers who don't toe the party line are fair game for abuse. Show nested quote +Who gives a shit what your religion believes. You don't get to make decisions for people based off your fairy tales. What gives you the right to declare what people can and cannot make decisions based off of, why should anyone care what you believe if you're going to say "what you think doesn't matter who gives a shit you believe in fairy tales" when they disagree with you.
I don't care what you base your personal decisions off. I care when you think your religious views should dictate personal decisions of someone who is not you. Republicans are all about freedoms until it runs cross with their religion
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On June 30 2013 06:31 USA. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 05:35 Jan1997 wrote:
Because it denies humans lives. Anyways same thing kinda goes for rape. i don't think abortion is ok there either. If the woman does not want her baby then you could just adopt it away to someone who gives a sh*t. So do condoms, and I don't think you quite have a grasp on what child birth would be like. I'd recommend not posting again. Ever.
You seem to be annoyed by my posting which is really confusing, i never did anything to you? But yo man condoms don't deny a life since the semen is only half of the structure you need to start the process for life.
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On June 30 2013 07:58 HackBenjamin wrote:
This is a stupid thread. Things would be different if men carried the babies, lemme tell ya.
Alas, we cannot, and that's why it's a hot topic 
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In a few generations religion will be a thing of the past anyway (if it isn't, already). Abortion should always be an option, especially if the woman was raped or isn't able to support the child. However, the law of not being able to abort something like a 39-week old foetus should obviously be kept.
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I don't care what you base your personal decisions off. I care when you think your religious views should dictate personal decisions of someone who is not you. Republicans are all about freedoms until it runs cross with their religion
You don't care but you do care because opinions influenced by religion are automatically less valid, that 1. is bigoted and 2. makes no sense thanks to the bigoted, ignorant view of religious thought that is responsible for it.
You should care - if this is what you really believe - when anyone thinks personal views should dictate the decisions of someone else, but you don't, because you don't think through the implications of what you say and are satisfied with shallow group-bashing because you've got in your head somewhere that it's ok to be bigoted against people you've convinced yourself are somehow so bad that they deserve it.
And really, everyone is all about freedoms until they run across some kind of personal belief that tells them 'this freedom should have restrictions or not be allowed at all.' So please don't try that bs.
Many Democrats as well believe in restrictions on abortion, most people think that there should be some restrictions. They don't deserve hostile sarcasm because they're not Republicans right? But hey, four legs good, two legs bad - except when four legs good, two legs better! - and some animals are more equal than others.
In a few generations religion will be a thing of the past anyway (if it isn't, already). Abortion should always be an option, especially if the woman was raped or isn't able to support the child. However, the law of not being able to abort something like a 39-week old foetus should obviously be kept.
lolol
Keep on dreaming, religion has been around for 50,000 years and it isn't going to be a thing of the past "in a few generations" or a hundred generations or a thousand generations either.
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On June 30 2013 08:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +I don't care what you base your personal decisions off. I care when you think your religious views should dictate personal decisions of someone who is not you. Republicans are all about freedoms until it runs cross with their religion You don't care but you do care because opinions influenced by religion are automatically less valid, that 1. is bigoted and 2. makes no sense thanks to the bigoted, ignorant view of religious thought that is responsible for it. You should care - if this is what you really believe - when anyone thinks personal views should dictate the decisions of someone else, but you don't, because you don't think through the implications of what you say and are satisfied with shallow group-bashing because you've got in your head somewhere that it's ok to be bigoted against people you've convinced yourself are somehow so bad that they deserve it. And really, everyone is all about freedoms until they run across some kind of personal belief that tells them 'this freedom should have restrictions or not be allowed at all.' So please don't try that bs. Many Democrats as well believe in restrictions on abortion, most people think that there should be some restrictions. They don't deserve hostile sarcasm because they're not Republicans right? But hey, four legs good, two legs bad - except when four legs good, two legs better! - and some animals are more equal than others. Show nested quote +In a few generations religion will be a thing of the past anyway (if it isn't, already). Abortion should always be an option, especially if the woman was raped or isn't able to support the child. However, the law of not being able to abort something like a 39-week old foetus should obviously be kept. lolol Keep on dreaming, religion has been around for 50,000 years and it isn't going to be a thing of the past "in a few generations" or a hundred generations or a thousand generations either.
Look around you. Religion is crumbling. Perhaps not so much in America -yet-, but in Europe religious people are a minority.
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On June 30 2013 08:53 Henk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 08:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:I don't care what you base your personal decisions off. I care when you think your religious views should dictate personal decisions of someone who is not you. Republicans are all about freedoms until it runs cross with their religion You don't care but you do care because opinions influenced by religion are automatically less valid, that 1. is bigoted and 2. makes no sense thanks to the bigoted, ignorant view of religious thought that is responsible for it. You should care - if this is what you really believe - when anyone thinks personal views should dictate the decisions of someone else, but you don't, because you don't think through the implications of what you say and are satisfied with shallow group-bashing because you've got in your head somewhere that it's ok to be bigoted against people you've convinced yourself are somehow so bad that they deserve it. And really, everyone is all about freedoms until they run across some kind of personal belief that tells them 'this freedom should have restrictions or not be allowed at all.' So please don't try that bs. Many Democrats as well believe in restrictions on abortion, most people think that there should be some restrictions. They don't deserve hostile sarcasm because they're not Republicans right? But hey, four legs good, two legs bad - except when four legs good, two legs better! - and some animals are more equal than others. In a few generations religion will be a thing of the past anyway (if it isn't, already). Abortion should always be an option, especially if the woman was raped or isn't able to support the child. However, the law of not being able to abort something like a 39-week old foetus should obviously be kept. lolol Keep on dreaming, religion has been around for 50,000 years and it isn't going to be a thing of the past "in a few generations" or a hundred generations or a thousand generations either. Look around you. Religion is crumbling. Perhaps not so much in America -yet-, but in Europe religious people are a minority.
And the world is comprised of America and Europe?
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