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On June 17 2013 17:55 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Would you really call that natural tho?
Considering that they define what is natural, I would say yes. Conceptions of nature that do not derive from nature seem to be pure fantasy to me...
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On June 17 2013 17:55 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Would you really call that natural tho?
If we're not calling what animals do to other animals without human interference natural then what are we calling it?
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On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural.
Lol, ok, didn't know about that.
But still, if you wanna compare rape between humans and animals 1 on 1, that's just silly.
That's like saying lions are murders and they deserve to die, or atleast like 20 years in jail.
And hyenas are robbers, they should be in jail aswell. Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes?
The difference is, we have a big brain, we are far more intelligent than any other animal. We don't just have to follow our instinct. We should know what's good and what's bad.
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On June 17 2013 17:58 syno wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Lol, ok, didn't know about that. But still, if you wanna compare rape between humans and animals 1 on 1, that's just silly. That's like saying lions are murders and they deserve to die, or atleast like 20 years in jail. And hyenas are robbers, they should be in jail aswell. Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes? The difference is, we have a big brain, we are far more intelligent than any other animal. We don't just have to follow our instinct. We should know what's good and what's bad.
And our big brains have decided that industrialised food production, with all its animal abuse, is good.
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food industry is pretty much institutionalized animal torture...
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On June 17 2013 18:02 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:58 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Lol, ok, didn't know about that. But still, if you wanna compare rape between humans and animals 1 on 1, that's just silly. That's like saying lions are murders and they deserve to die, or atleast like 20 years in jail. And hyenas are robbers, they should be in jail aswell. Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes? The difference is, we have a big brain, we are far more intelligent than any other animal. We don't just have to follow our instinct. We should know what's good and what's bad. And our big brains have decided that industrialised food production, with all its animal abuse, is good.
It's quite good for the wallet. Yes, that's egoistic, but i guess that's how we humans are.
Do you eat meat and eggs?
If yes, would you be ready to pay ALOT more for those things if the animals lived a life like they're "supposed" to?
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On June 17 2013 18:08 syno wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 18:02 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 17:58 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Lol, ok, didn't know about that. But still, if you wanna compare rape between humans and animals 1 on 1, that's just silly. That's like saying lions are murders and they deserve to die, or atleast like 20 years in jail. And hyenas are robbers, they should be in jail aswell. Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes? The difference is, we have a big brain, we are far more intelligent than any other animal. We don't just have to follow our instinct. We should know what's good and what's bad. And our big brains have decided that industrialised food production, with all its animal abuse, is good. It's quite good for the wallet. Yes, that's egoistic, but i guess that's how we humans are. Do you eat meat and eggs? If yes, would you be ready to pay ALOT more for those things if the animals lived a life like they're "supposed" to?
So greed is legit, hedonistic consumption of meat is legit but god forbid you stick your dick in it without harming it?
I just don't buy that.
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On June 17 2013 18:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 18:08 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 18:02 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 17:58 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Lol, ok, didn't know about that. But still, if you wanna compare rape between humans and animals 1 on 1, that's just silly. That's like saying lions are murders and they deserve to die, or atleast like 20 years in jail. And hyenas are robbers, they should be in jail aswell. Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes? The difference is, we have a big brain, we are far more intelligent than any other animal. We don't just have to follow our instinct. We should know what's good and what's bad. And our big brains have decided that industrialised food production, with all its animal abuse, is good. It's quite good for the wallet. Yes, that's egoistic, but i guess that's how we humans are. Do you eat meat and eggs? If yes, would you be ready to pay ALOT more for those things if the animals lived a life like they're "supposed" to? So greed is legit, hedonistic consumption of meat is legit but god forbid you stick your dick in it without harming it? I just don't buy that.
Well I guess we could discuss this topic for ages, none of us will change his opinion on that.
Like I said, you are right on paper, but IMHO on things like this you have to make rules based on feelings.
And I have to agree with sweden in this case, this is wrong and should not be tollerated (even if it's not on paper).
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On June 17 2013 17:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:55 NukeD wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Would you really call that natural tho? If we're not calling what animals do to other animals without human interference natural then what are we calling it?
Unnatural.
Does chimpanzee fucking a frog really make inerspecies sex natural?
I dont think we will be able to come at an agreement on this issue.
On June 17 2013 18:02 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:58 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Lol, ok, didn't know about that. But still, if you wanna compare rape between humans and animals 1 on 1, that's just silly. That's like saying lions are murders and they deserve to die, or atleast like 20 years in jail. And hyenas are robbers, they should be in jail aswell. Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes? The difference is, we have a big brain, we are far more intelligent than any other animal. We don't just have to follow our instinct. We should know what's good and what's bad. And our big brains have decided that industrialised food production, with all its animal abuse, is good.
I think that is generally agreed that industrialised food production with awfull animal treatment and living conditions is a bad thing, however a necessity.
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On June 17 2013 18:22 syno wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 18:12 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 18:08 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 18:02 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 17:58 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Lol, ok, didn't know about that. But still, if you wanna compare rape between humans and animals 1 on 1, that's just silly. That's like saying lions are murders and they deserve to die, or atleast like 20 years in jail. And hyenas are robbers, they should be in jail aswell. Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes? The difference is, we have a big brain, we are far more intelligent than any other animal. We don't just have to follow our instinct. We should know what's good and what's bad. And our big brains have decided that industrialised food production, with all its animal abuse, is good. It's quite good for the wallet. Yes, that's egoistic, but i guess that's how we humans are. Do you eat meat and eggs? If yes, would you be ready to pay ALOT more for those things if the animals lived a life like they're "supposed" to? So greed is legit, hedonistic consumption of meat is legit but god forbid you stick your dick in it without harming it? I just don't buy that. Well I guess we could discuss this topic for ages, none of us will change his opinion on that. Like I said, you are right on paper, but IMHO on things like this you have to make rules based on feelings. And I have to agree with sweden in this case, this is wrong and should not be tollerated (even if it's not on paper).
It's why I hope you/others making the same argument never have any responsibility. It's been gone over again and again how dangerous it is to make rules based on 'feelings' and disregarding logic you admit yourself exists. Ick.
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On June 17 2013 18:26 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:57 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 17:55 NukeD wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Would you really call that natural tho? If we're not calling what animals do to other animals without human interference natural then what are we calling it? Unnatural. Does chimpanzee fucking a frog really make inerspecies sex natural?
Pretty much by definition, yes, yes it does.
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I just want to say the poll is pretty pointless. The taboo surrounding bestiality is so heavy I don't think we can even imagine how it would be like if it wasn't.
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On June 17 2013 17:55 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Would you really call that natural tho?
I would; dogs humping girls happen A LOT, I can go on youtube right now and find over 10 pages of dog humps girl.
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On June 17 2013 18:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 18:26 NukeD wrote:On June 17 2013 17:57 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 17:55 NukeD wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Would you really call that natural tho? If we're not calling what animals do to other animals without human interference natural then what are we calling it? Unnatural. Does chimpanzee fucking a frog really make inerspecies sex natural? Pretty much by definition, yes, yes it does.
I think you are taking that term to literally.
EDIT: If we agree that everything that happens in nature is natural than i agree with you. But why do we then even distinct those two terms, natural/unnatural? What would you say is unnatural then?
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On June 17 2013 18:31 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 18:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2013 18:26 NukeD wrote:On June 17 2013 17:57 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 17:55 NukeD wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Would you really call that natural tho? If we're not calling what animals do to other animals without human interference natural then what are we calling it? Unnatural. Does chimpanzee fucking a frog really make inerspecies sex natural? Pretty much by definition, yes, yes it does. I think you are taking that term to literally.
I'm taking the term for what it means. You can't just change the meanings of words to suit your own agenda.
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Nonononono guys, he "may" have a point here. Let's listen to his argument.
So, what exactly is unnatural in something that happens in nature without human intervention ?
I'm really curious how you justify this.
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what kind of poll is that ? seriously ?
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On June 17 2013 18:31 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 18:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2013 18:26 NukeD wrote:On June 17 2013 17:57 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 17:55 NukeD wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Would you really call that natural tho? If we're not calling what animals do to other animals without human interference natural then what are we calling it? Unnatural. Does chimpanzee fucking a frog really make inerspecies sex natural? Pretty much by definition, yes, yes it does. I think you are taking that term to literally. EDIT: If we agree that everything that happens in nature is natural than i agree with you. But why do we then even distinct those two terms, natural/unnatural? What would you say is unnatural then?
The atomic bomb, selective breeding, cities etc.
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On June 17 2013 18:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 18:22 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 18:12 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 18:08 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 18:02 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 17:58 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Lol, ok, didn't know about that. But still, if you wanna compare rape between humans and animals 1 on 1, that's just silly. That's like saying lions are murders and they deserve to die, or atleast like 20 years in jail. And hyenas are robbers, they should be in jail aswell. Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes? The difference is, we have a big brain, we are far more intelligent than any other animal. We don't just have to follow our instinct. We should know what's good and what's bad. And our big brains have decided that industrialised food production, with all its animal abuse, is good. It's quite good for the wallet. Yes, that's egoistic, but i guess that's how we humans are. Do you eat meat and eggs? If yes, would you be ready to pay ALOT more for those things if the animals lived a life like they're "supposed" to? So greed is legit, hedonistic consumption of meat is legit but god forbid you stick your dick in it without harming it? I just don't buy that. Well I guess we could discuss this topic for ages, none of us will change his opinion on that. Like I said, you are right on paper, but IMHO on things like this you have to make rules based on feelings. And I have to agree with sweden in this case, this is wrong and should not be tollerated (even if it's not on paper). It's why I hope you/others making the same argument never have any responsibility. It's been gone over again and again how dangerous it is to make rules based on 'feelings' and disregarding logic you admit yourself exists. Ick.
If you'd make all laws based on logic, you could also legalize things like necrophilia.
Go ahead, unborrow all the corpses and have sex with them, because hey, no one will be harmed.
Sometimes it's not that bad if you put a touch of humanity in the law.
Oh and I think i handle my responsibilities pretty good.
I'm not a robot who creates rules for everything, i make most of my decisions based on my gut feeling, and i was never terribly wrong.
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On June 17 2013 18:37 syno wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 18:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2013 18:22 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 18:12 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 18:08 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 18:02 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 17:58 syno wrote:On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural. Lol, ok, didn't know about that. But still, if you wanna compare rape between humans and animals 1 on 1, that's just silly. That's like saying lions are murders and they deserve to die, or atleast like 20 years in jail. And hyenas are robbers, they should be in jail aswell. Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes? The difference is, we have a big brain, we are far more intelligent than any other animal. We don't just have to follow our instinct. We should know what's good and what's bad. And our big brains have decided that industrialised food production, with all its animal abuse, is good. It's quite good for the wallet. Yes, that's egoistic, but i guess that's how we humans are. Do you eat meat and eggs? If yes, would you be ready to pay ALOT more for those things if the animals lived a life like they're "supposed" to? So greed is legit, hedonistic consumption of meat is legit but god forbid you stick your dick in it without harming it? I just don't buy that. Well I guess we could discuss this topic for ages, none of us will change his opinion on that. Like I said, you are right on paper, but IMHO on things like this you have to make rules based on feelings. And I have to agree with sweden in this case, this is wrong and should not be tollerated (even if it's not on paper). It's why I hope you/others making the same argument never have any responsibility. It's been gone over again and again how dangerous it is to make rules based on 'feelings' and disregarding logic you admit yourself exists. Ick. If you'd make all laws based on logic, you could also legalize things like necrophilia. Go ahead, unborrow all the corpses and have sex with them, because hey, no one will be harmed. Sometimes it's not that bad if you put a touch of humanity in the law. Oh and I think i handle my responsibilities pretty good. I'm not a robot who creates rules for everything, i make most of my decisions based on my gut feeling, and i was never terribly wrong.
Necrophilia is a stupid law on the basis of people thinking "yucky", however it becomes more legit when you remember that most dead people had family and friends that care for them, and I imagine a father hearing his 8 yo daughter that died from cancer 2 months ago have been dug up and fucked would be harmful, and the emotional stress for the mother is harmful and close friends, or the ex boyfriend of that sweet 21 yo girl that died in a car accident etcetcetc.
Point being that dead people usually have someone caring for them, while you can get an animal that noone cares for.
On that same point I would consider it wrong to take someone elses dog and have sex with it without their say.
And just because your gut feeling has a lot of logical touch to it, does not give everyone a gut feeling full of sensible choices, plenty of people that completely lack what most considers common sense.
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