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On June 17 2013 14:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people.
Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone. Why? People can feel that killing animals for food is fine and having sex with animals is not fine. I'm talking feelings here, it doesn't have to be logical.
Do you really want laws based on illogical arguments and feelings?
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On June 17 2013 14:59 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people.
Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone. Killing animals is evolution. Sexing animals is a major evolutionary fuck-up. Or too much porn.
Do you believe that animals are sentient enough to be harmed by sex?
If so,
Do you believe that animals are sentient enough to be harmed by death?
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On June 17 2013 15:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:59 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:
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What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone. Killing animals is evolution. Sexing animals is a major evolutionary fuck-up. Or too much porn. Do you believe that animals are sentient enough to be harmed by sex? If so, Do you believe that animals are sentient enough to be harmed by death?
Does it matter if he is sentient enough to be harmed by death ? Hes gonna be dead.
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If you go and eat a human, society will consider you a monster that is sick, twisted and other repulsive words, rape a person and society considers you a bad man with a mental disorder or lack of willpower mostly.
Yet fucking an animal is apparently wrong and eating them is just dandy.
People should really stop the hypocrisy about "harming" animals if they are willing to EAT them.
If you won't eat animals you at least have consistency in your arguement, but humans remain on the top of the food chain, and the world works by abusing those lower down the chain.
From eating them to milking them to making them work for you; and it should let you use them sexually as well regardless of whetever you personally as an individual has any interest in it.
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Regardless of what you believe, eating animals is part of what makes us human.
Fucking them isnt.
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On June 17 2013 15:34 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 15:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:59 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals.
Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone. Killing animals is evolution. Sexing animals is a major evolutionary fuck-up. Or too much porn. Do you believe that animals are sentient enough to be harmed by sex? If so, Do you believe that animals are sentient enough to be harmed by death? Does it matter if he is sentient enough to be harmed by death ? Hes gonna be dead.
Rape is a form of torture. Because of the dominant-subservient/owner-property relationship b/w humans and animals, bestiality will always be considered rape. It's not right or wrong to kill something. you can kill human and animal in self-defense. You can even kill for food(human and animal likewise, some of the most amazing survival stories only happened b/c of cannibalism). Killing is not inherently wrong. On the other hand, torture is wrong. And since rape is a form of torture, by connection, bestiality is wrong.
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On June 17 2013 15:43 D10 wrote:
Regardless of what you believe, eating animals is part of what makes us human.
Fucking them isnt.
Some people eat animals, some don't. Some people (apparently) have sex with animals, some don't. Why do you get to decide which of those is what 'makes us human'? There is not a real need to do either. There are reasons why one is more prevalent than the other, but it doesn't contribute towards an explanation of human nature.
On June 17 2013 15:44 czylu wrote:
Rape is a form of torture. Because of the dominant-subservient/owner-property relationship b/w humans and animals, bestiality will always be considered rape. This is questionable, since animals are not sentient.
On the other hand, torture is wrong. And since rape is a form of torture, by connection, bestiality is wrong.
This is only true if you can really show that animals are being tortured by sex with humans... but it's just speculation as far as I've seen (barring violent abuse and the like).
Statutory rape is only a serious threat to the well being of a child due to aspects of our sentience, which animals lack. That's not to say there can't be any negative consequences for the animal whatsoever, but I assert they are minor.
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On June 17 2013 15:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:
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What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone. Why? People can feel that killing animals for food is fine and having sex with animals is not fine. I'm talking feelings here, it doesn't have to be logical. Do you really want laws based on illogical arguments and feelings?
Sometimes, sure. At the end of the day you want to have a civil society. Sometimes that means you need to split hairs and be a hypocrite.
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On June 17 2013 15:45 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 15:44 czylu wrote:
Rape is a form of torture. Because of the dominant-subservient/owner-property relationship b/w humans and animals, bestiality will always be considered rape. This is questionable, since animals are not sentient.
I'm sorry what
I'm looking for sarcasm but I just can't find it since I know that this is/was an accepted fact among scientists...
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On June 17 2013 15:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 15:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals.
Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone. Why? People can feel that killing animals for food is fine and having sex with animals is not fine. I'm talking feelings here, it doesn't have to be logical. Do you really want laws based on illogical arguments and feelings? Sometimes, sure. At the end of the day you want to have a civil society. Sometimes that means you need to split hairs and be a hypocrite.
While this is impossible to avoid completely, shouldn't our goal be to use logic and evidence to support plans for new laws, rather than hypocrisy, emotion, and the like?
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On June 17 2013 15:51 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 15:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 17 2013 15:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:
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Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion.
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Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone. Why? People can feel that killing animals for food is fine and having sex with animals is not fine. I'm talking feelings here, it doesn't have to be logical. Do you really want laws based on illogical arguments and feelings? Sometimes, sure. At the end of the day you want to have a civil society. Sometimes that means you need to split hairs and be a hypocrite. While this is impossible to avoid completely, shouldn't our goal be to use logic and evidence to support plans for new laws, rather than hypocrisy, emotion, and the like?
Sure, but sometimes needs are driven by emotion or illogical psychological factors so you can't ignore it.
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Guess I'm not gonna go to dreamhack again... now even european countries are becoming police states.
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On June 17 2013 15:43 D10 wrote:
Regardless of what you believe, eating animals is part of what makes us human.
Fucking them isnt.
Do you consider vegans as non-humans?
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Since some of you seem to love comparing us humans to animals;
Have you ever seen a lion fucking a warthog and eating it afterwards?
No? Well, that's because it's unnatural.
Animals kill to have food, they don't have sex with their prey.
Be honest to yourself, even if it sounds right on paper (if we can kill & eat them, we also can fuck them), that's still fucking sick.
And tbh, the only reason i can think of why someone would fuck an animal is, because he can't get any human puss.
But maybe i'm wrong on this one, there really are some weird people out there.
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On June 17 2013 17:32 syno wrote:
Since some of you seem to love comparing us humans to animals;
Have you ever seen a lion fucking a warthog and eating it afterwards?
No? Well, that's because it's unnatural.
Animals kill to have food, they don't have sex with their prey.
Be honest to yourself, even if it sounds right on paper (if we can kill & eat them, we also can fuck them), that's still fucking sick.
And tbh, the only reason i can think of why someone would fuck an animal is, because he can't get any human puss.
But maybe i'm wrong on this one, there really are some weird people out there.
well some spiders eat their mate after sex
some fish melt in their mate after sex
monkeys raping women seems to be quite the rage http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/monkeywire/2007-September/000999.html
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I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural.
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On June 17 2013 15:45 micronesia wrote:
This is questionable, since animals are not sentient.
That's news to me. I thought apes and dolphins possessed self-awareness, possibly other mammals too.
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Guys, does it trully need to be explained why bestiallity generally is a bad thing? I mean really, these forums nowadays are starting to get silly. Talk about moral decay.
Whatever happened to good old sodomy?
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On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural.
Would you really call that natural tho?
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On June 17 2013 17:42 Nyovne wrote:
I've at the very least seen dogs, cats, rabits and a horse jump on and ride other creatures. Please explain this with it being unnatural.
The chimp and the frog. Poor frog. :/
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