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On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 12:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Killing animals is legal, but having sex with animals is not.
This simply shows that the society passing this law is okay with murder but not sex. Which is okay, depending on one's moral compass.
I dislike murder more than I dislike sex, so in my opinion, punishments for killing should be harsher than punishment for having sex.
We do this with humans (murder has a harsher punishment than rape) and we should do it for animals as well. Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality?
If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals.
Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality.
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why would anyone want inter-species erotica banned? Fascists.
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It seems pretty stupid to argue that they "cannot give consent".
People don't give formal consent in most cases, rather we want persons to actively say "no" to prove non-consent.
For me, it is pretty misguided to talk about rape and animals. They have incomparable psychosexual development and libido.
Bonobo's may have a quickie with their grandfather after a fight ...just to clear the air, right? Spiders killing their mate after the act? Dog's willing to hump even if they are females or what they are humping is an inanimate object?
In my opinion it muddies the waters, and generally makes a mockery of the phenomena to legislate in that way.
I think there should definitely be spefications in the animal cruelty laws about this sort of thing, but think of it like this... we think it is acceptable to tie a horse down, and force it to fuck a rubber tube. We force animals into "sexual acts" all the time, and always have. What we want to legislate against now, is people deriving pleasure from it.
I could go on to talk about the moral pitfalls of legislating in that particular way (targeting the morality of deriving pleasure from something, as the thing that makes it imprudent or immoral) but that's a large subject so i'll end it here.
I happen to be a semi-vegetarian (i generally don't eat mammals, it really just depends what kind of awareness and experience i think a specific animal has - i would probably eat all animals if i was hungry enough though..) so it's not the first time i spend time thinking about the morality of the way we treat animals. I recommend it, there's more than a little hypocrisy in the way most people view animals, and the way they treat them. That's my experience anyway.
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On June 17 2013 01:18 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 01:14 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2013 01:09 Fruscainte wrote:On June 17 2013 01:01 Zambrah wrote:
I would be very interested in seeing what kind of harm is done to the animals involved in beastiality (okay, that sounded creepy.) What harm IS being done to these animals? I can't imagine very much/any at all considering the size of the animals (unless its like a chicken or something) and if you're a woman I can't imagine any harm at all.
If theres no real harm being done to the animals I seriously can't fathom how this could be illegal. Something you perceive as disgusting does not mean it deserves to be legislated against. I'm personally not a fan of scat porn but I believe that people have the right to shit on one another if they get off on that.
The other dimension to this is the animal's suffering, but since we can rule out psychological damage, this comes down to physical damage. So, if an animal receives no physical harm then how can this be considered harmful?
Consent should be a non-factor. We do not grant animals consent. Consent is only a factor between humans.
Overall, I just don't think that the government has a right to outlaw beastiality if it does not harm the animal. If it does harm the animal, well shit we have animal cruelty laws that cover that. Why don't you look up some cases of bestiality before you make such a claim? People who rape their pets are generally people who abuse them. One particular case rings in my head of this teen who locked his dog in his closet and only dragged her out to fuck her, and then throw her back into the closet where she nearly starved to death. Of course she tried to fight back every time but he would just beat her down. Saying animals can't suffer psychological damage definitely takes the ballgame of the most biologically ignorant statement I have ever heard in my entire life. Saying we shouldn't legislate bestiality since sex with most animals doesn't physically harm them in itself is like saying we shouldn't legislate rape because sex with a human doesn't physically harm them inherently. The people who do this kind of shit are sick fucks who don't lovingly caress their dog or whatever, take them on a night on the town and give them a backrub and warm them up. These are people who grab their dog by the collar, throw them on the ground, pin them down, and fuck them, beat them, and throw them in the corner when they're done. Consent should be a factor because no animal can fucking consent to this kind of thing. It's like a child, they simply don't have the mental capacity to understand consent. That in itself should make it illegal. I'm sorry if my post was a bit hard, but I take this issue very personally. The previous laws covering animal abuse covered that and genuine zoophiles would be horrified by the treatment of the animal that you describe. My argument comes down to this: Since an animal, much like a child, is inherently unable to give consent because they can not understand the concept of consent nor can they in animals case vocalize that nonconsent if it was there sex with animals should be illegal because of that. Secondly, what you're saying, at least to me, is like saying the violent assault laws already cover all the shit that happens to women in rape. Since the sex itself is completely natural and doesn't physically hurt them at all, why include it? Everyone who enjoys having loving sex with their partners would never do that to each other, why ban a natural part of life that doesn't hurt anyone? People who rape women usually kidnap them and beat them, so we already got laws to cover it. Why get more? Because of consent. Consent is an important thing, as well as psychological damage. Two things fucking animals will always entail. Non-consent and psychological damage. Also, as for your edit, I seriously can't grasp that argument. Why not make it legal to hit dogs with a sledgehammer since it's completely legal to do it for a melon? We're not talking about melons, we're talking about animals. I want you to find me one case of a zoophile having sex with something like a dog or a cat and the animal not being psychologically or physically damaged.
farmers and docs routinely do sexual acts with pigs/boars/horses/fowl and probably other animals i don't know about...
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On June 17 2013 13:29 Soulstice wrote:
why would anyone want inter-species erotica banned? Fascists.
I personally want it banned. But I am aware that the reason's I want it banned are arbitrary, personal, and linked to an archaic zeitgeist wherein I believe that people just don't do that.
There is no real argument against bestiality in a society that finds it okay to kill animals, to put them through the meat industry.
When a society feels it is okay to kill animals, it has no logical argument against sex with animals.
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On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 12:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Killing animals is legal, but having sex with animals is not.
This simply shows that the society passing this law is okay with murder but not sex. Which is okay, depending on one's moral compass.
I dislike murder more than I dislike sex, so in my opinion, punishments for killing should be harsher than punishment for having sex.
We do this with humans (murder has a harsher punishment than rape) and we should do it for animals as well. Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality.
Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion.
because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them.
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On June 17 2013 07:40 docvoc wrote:
I didn't phrase that part correctly. I meant that it was on mammals (monkeys) which showed that the monkeys can feel abuse. The dolphin part has had research done and when dolphins feel loss or abuse, they commit suicide. Also, sexual abuse is still abuse, which was the point of the pit of despair. While it is a different category, I think we can both agree that it is abuse, and therefore should not be carried out on animals. But yes, I followed the argument wrong and I'm sorry about that.
Saying that something "can feel abuse" is meaningless in this context. A Bonobo chimp will fuck their family member as a response to many different situations, such as to appease them because they had a row... It is a ridiculous kind of generalization to make across species, because it completely depends on their specific species' psychosexual experience, which can be anything from "kill after corpulation" to "fuck once, stay with you and support you forever"
I'm not saying this to try to validate beastiality either. To generalize across the species and just assume that they experience things like us, seems to me just as terrible an act of willful ignorance as fucking and animal and saying it liked it because it "didn't move" or "humped away itself".
Just like you can't perform surgical operations on animals and assume they have the same anatomy cross-species, we have to question whether the psychological assumptions we make, are really meaningful at all.
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On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 12:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Killing animals is legal, but having sex with animals is not.
This simply shows that the society passing this law is okay with murder but not sex. Which is okay, depending on one's moral compass.
I dislike murder more than I dislike sex, so in my opinion, punishments for killing should be harsher than punishment for having sex.
We do this with humans (murder has a harsher punishment than rape) and we should do it for animals as well. Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion.
Non-consensual sex is rape.
Murder is worse than rape.
You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest.
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On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 12:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Killing animals is legal, but having sex with animals is not.
This simply shows that the society passing this law is okay with murder but not sex. Which is okay, depending on one's moral compass.
I dislike murder more than I dislike sex, so in my opinion, punishments for killing should be harsher than punishment for having sex.
We do this with humans (murder has a harsher punishment than rape) and we should do it for animals as well. Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest.
So what are we going to do, photosynthesize?
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On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 12:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Killing animals is legal, but having sex with animals is not.
This simply shows that the society passing this law is okay with murder but not sex. Which is okay, depending on one's moral compass.
I dislike murder more than I dislike sex, so in my opinion, punishments for killing should be harsher than punishment for having sex.
We do this with humans (murder has a harsher punishment than rape) and we should do it for animals as well. Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize?
Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to.
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On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 12:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Killing animals is legal, but having sex with animals is not.
This simply shows that the society passing this law is okay with murder but not sex. Which is okay, depending on one's moral compass.
I dislike murder more than I dislike sex, so in my opinion, punishments for killing should be harsher than punishment for having sex.
We do this with humans (murder has a harsher punishment than rape) and we should do it for animals as well. Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to.
Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too.
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On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 12:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Killing animals is legal, but having sex with animals is not.
This simply shows that the society passing this law is okay with murder but not sex. Which is okay, depending on one's moral compass.
I dislike murder more than I dislike sex, so in my opinion, punishments for killing should be harsher than punishment for having sex.
We do this with humans (murder has a harsher punishment than rape) and we should do it for animals as well. Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too.
I have not.
I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest.
Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them.
If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons.
If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone.
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On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:
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Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone.
Humans are omnivores. We are meant to eat both animals and plants. If we were meant to fuck both humans and horses, it would be possible to create centaurs.
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On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:
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Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone.
You seem to view the world in a very black and white way. You can kill animals for meat as long as you do it "humanely" otherwise you might end up paying for it. In the same way it will most likely be allowed to breed cows and such (even though it's technically "sexual abuse" in the same sense) while not allowed to have sex with them for personal satisfaction. Why can't you have both?
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On June 17 2013 14:35 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people.
Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone. Humans are omnivores. We are meant to eat both animals and plants. If we were meant to fuck both humans and horses, it would be possible to create centaurs.
Just because we ate both animals and plants in the past does not mean we have to continue eating animals and plants in the present. That doesn't make any sense.
On June 17 2013 14:40 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people.
Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone. You seem to view the world in a very black and white way. You can kill animals for meat as long as you do it "humanely" otherwise you might end up paying for it. In the same way it will most likely be allowed to breed cows and such (even though it's technically "sexual abuse" in the same sense) while not allowed to have sex with them for personal satisfaction. Why can't you have both?
I agree, there are different degrees of murder and to the same extent there are different degrees of sexual assault. We should try to minimize the negative effects of both of these practices on animals for as long as we continue to kill animals and force them to breed with one another.
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On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 12:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Killing animals is legal, but having sex with animals is not.
This simply shows that the society passing this law is okay with murder but not sex. Which is okay, depending on one's moral compass.
I dislike murder more than I dislike sex, so in my opinion, punishments for killing should be harsher than punishment for having sex.
We do this with humans (murder has a harsher punishment than rape) and we should do it for animals as well. Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest.
You just keep ignoring the whole point of the argument so I'm just gonna ignore your replies.
I didn't feel like quoting myself for the 2nd time and posting the same thing 3 times now since you won't acknowledge it.
This whole thing is getting horribly off-topic because Magpie wants us to stop eating meat all-together and become like the cows he's trying to save. Nothing at all with the topic at hand.
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On June 17 2013 14:48 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 12:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Killing animals is legal, but having sex with animals is not.
This simply shows that the society passing this law is okay with murder but not sex. Which is okay, depending on one's moral compass.
I dislike murder more than I dislike sex, so in my opinion, punishments for killing should be harsher than punishment for having sex.
We do this with humans (murder has a harsher punishment than rape) and we should do it for animals as well. Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. You just keep ignoring the whole point of the argument so I'm just gonna ignore your replies. I didn't feel like quoting myself for the 2nd time and posting the same thing 3 times now since you won't acknowledge it. This whole thing is getting horribly off-topic because Magpie wants us to stop eating meat all-together and become like the cows he's trying to save. Nothing at all with the topic at hand.
Save cows?
I'm being honest with myself.
I'm okay with killing animals. I'm not okay with thinking that rape is worse than murder.
That has nothing at all to do with saving cows, stop derailing.
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On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:
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Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone.
Killing animals is evolution. Sexing animals is a major evolutionary fuck-up. Or too much porn.
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On June 17 2013 14:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 14:26 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 14:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 14:12 Antylamon wrote:On June 17 2013 13:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 13:23 Zooper31 wrote:On June 17 2013 13:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 17 2013 12:21 Zooper31 wrote:
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Where is killing animals for the sake of killing legal? (aside from hunting, tradition passed down thousands of years and most people eat and/or don't waste their kills.) I'd love to see this civilized country you speak of. How about you use your words and actually explain you mean "eating". Never mind I know why, because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. I'm against eating people. I'm also against raping people. Laws against eating people is harsher than laws against raping them. What does that have to do with Bestiality? If bestiality is wrong because it is raping animals. Then eating animals is wrong because it is killing animals. Assuming of course, killing is something you deem a worse offense than rape. If you deem rape a worse offense than murder, then I can understand why you would ban bestiality. Just gonna quote my own post since you ignored that portion. because you can't compare eating animals and fucking them. Non-consensual sex is rape. Murder is worse than rape. You can't be okay with murder and be against rape. It is dishonest. So what are we going to do, photosynthesize? Animals aren't the only source of protein. We are choosing to kill animals, we don't have to. Uh, you forgot plants are organisms too. I have not. I'm saying that wanting to ban animal rape but not animal murder is dishonest. Honest is being okay with killing animals and hence okay with raping them. If you want to protect an animal's psyche because they have feelings, then you should want to protect their life for the same reasons. If you are okay with murdering something, then you shouldn't care that much if it has sex with someone.
Why? People can feel that killing animals for food is fine and having sex with animals is not fine. I'm talking feelings here, it doesn't have to be logical.
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