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On March 11 2013 03:58 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:29 fusionsdf wrote:On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. The family guy episode was fucking terrible. It was probably worse in terms of influencing the public's opinion about transsexuals than an episode of Jerry Springer. Keep in mind we are at the point now where most of the gay/lesbian stereotypes are really starting to be debunked. There are prominent, super-popular gay and lesbian celebrities (in particular NPH and Ellen). Gay/Lesbian characters are starting to be treated normally and respectfully on telivision. There are many legislators, in America and around the world who are openly gay or lesbian. Movies like Milk, or even Brokeback Mountain have gained public acceptance, and there are more of those types of movies coming out (which is definitely a good thing). So if some random member of the public is exposed to a crude offensive joke, there are plenty of positive, realistic examples both in real life (people they know) and media to refute it. When it comes to transsexuals, there are very very few trans* quasi-celebs, In fact the only one I can think of the top of my head is Chaz Bono, and he's not particularly famous or popular. There are no openly transsexual (that I'm aware of) legislators at any level in North America. The only popular movies/shows I can think of mentioning trans people have been things like Ace Ventura ( Einhorn is a man!??), the Drew Carey show (40 year old bald guy crossdressing for laughs), Family guy (mentioned above), and Jerry Springer (and don't even get me started on how fucked up that show is, and what it does for trans people). So, again, if a random member of the public is exposed to a crude offensive joke about a trans person, there are almost no positive or realistic examples in either real life (Many are in the closet or stealth, and there just aren't that many trans people in general) to counter it. It's bad enough, that when I was younger (up all the way until adulthood really), I thought that all trans people were those stereotypes, that all trans people were crazy and deluded, and hyper feminine and drag queens and 'trannys'. And to be honest, many of the trans people I know felt the same way too. The jokes like family guy wouldn't bother me so much if that wasn't the main (almost only) form of exposure trans people get. It legitimizes humiliating and laughing at trans people, and there is almost no popular media that denounces that behavior. And that is why the episode was so offensive. On March 11 2013 03:23 DeepElemBlues wrote:On March 11 2013 03:10 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable. Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation. That is pretty bigoted if you ask me. Seth McFarlane is one of the most bigoted people around, not much of a surprise. And no niko non-hetero people did not have equal rights from the start and bitching for equal rights isn't a first-world problem, it's mostly in 2nd and 3rd world countries where homosexuality is still a crime and gays still get beat in the streets and things like that. And you have to admit that the throwing up because he kissed a "man" all comes back to homophobia. It is in the interest of both gay and trans people to push back against these portrayals. Are you against RuPaul's Drag Race?
Haven't seen it, but probably not. Drag queens aren't transsexuals after all. But with the same general caveat if I want to be totally honest, in that I wish there were more positive/accurate portrayals of trans women, so I wouldn't have to worry about the general public all believing that drag queens are transsexuals.
In general I support and even encourage drag queens. Anything that brings visibility to the different possibilities of gender expression, or that shows that its ok to wear clothes commonly worn by the other sex will make coming out for trans people easier I think.
If we were able to get rid of the guy in women's clothes = humiliating thing, I think that would be good for even straight cis men.
On March 11 2013 04:12 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:29 nikonikonii wrote:On March 11 2013 03:25 Shiori wrote:On March 11 2013 03:17 nikonikonii wrote:On March 11 2013 03:06 Shiori wrote:On March 11 2013 02:58 nikonikonii wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. Pedos say pedophilia isn't about sex either. In before I'm told i'm a bigot etc etc. Pedophilia isn't immoral in itself; one can't be blamed for mere attraction to children. They can only be blamed for acting on it, because that's where choice comes into play. The reason they are blamed is that children are incapable of consenting to sexual relations with an adult. In contrast, homosexual relationships are constructed as being between two consenting adults, much like heterosexual relationships. For this reason, there is no cause for denying homosexuals the right to marry. And the idea that "there are bigger problems to solve" is absurd. We should fix every problem as we encounter it. Just because there are kids starving in Africa doesn't mean we shouldn't abolish slavery back at home. Marriage is never a right, it's a privilege. Stop implying that I'm a homophobic just because I don't fully agree with all this stuff. Also that analogy is retarded. slavery isn't a first world problem. I didn't imply you're a bigot. Okay, why should homosexuals be denied the "privilege" of marrying whomever they want? Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. You realize that we can fix multiple problems at once, right? It's not like we're incapable of passing laws regarding people living below the poverty line just because we legalized homosexual marriages.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToWorseProblems
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On March 11 2013 03:45 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:32 Roe wrote:On March 11 2013 03:23 DeepElemBlues wrote:On March 11 2013 03:10 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable. Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation. That is pretty bigoted if you ask me. Seth McFarlane is one of the most bigoted people around, not much of a surprise. And no niko non-hetero people did not have equal rights from the start and bitching for equal rights isn't a first-world problem, it's mostly in 2nd and 3rd world countries where homosexuality is still a crime and gays still get beat in the streets and things like that. How is Seth McFarlane one of the most bigoted people "around"? I'm sorry that his bigotry is mostly against people it's okay to be bigoted against (whites, Christians, Republicans, etc.) so to people like you it's not really bigotry, it's just clever cutting humor. But every once in a while his mask slips and he lets out his real feelings about people it's not okay to be bigoted against (women, transsexuals, etc.). Sorry you apparently feel so defensive about the man that most of even self-absorbed narcissistic prick-filled Hollywood thinks is a narcissistic self-absorbed prick.
Wow. So much hate on a guy who makes cartoons. Getting offended because a comedy misrepresents a group of people or single person is fucking stupid. It is comedy. I challenge you to find a single comedic moment in history that somebody wouldn't be able to find a "legitimate" excuse to be mad about or offended.
Red-neck jokes? "Naw man, dat's fensive ter me. I ain't married to mai sister."
Blacks-N-word jokes.
Whites-Cracka
Arabs: Terrorsts
Asian: they don't all have a diet of wice.
Even physical comedy you could argue makes fun of people who have had unfortunate circumstances and represents them in a bad light. It's fucking Family Guy man. Get over it.
And to the argument over puking when you have sex with a transgendered person. That was an extreme violation for Quagmire's dad to do that to Brian on the equivalent of rape. It is similar to having a gay person tricked into sex with someone of the opposite gender or a straight person tricked into sex with someone of the same. It is a violation either way.
You could make the argument that Quagmire's dad was a female so Brian had sex with a female and not a male and you would be correct. However, you are still tricking someone into doing something they don't want to and thus violating them. In the eyes of most people a transgendered person is not a male or a female but a third or fourth gender kind of like the Fa'afafine of Somoa And when you are doing something like having sex with someone I think it matters less about how you identify yourself than how the person you are sticking things into or having stuck into them views it that really matters.
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On March 11 2013 03:29 fusionsdf wrote:
And you have to admit that the throwing up because he kissed a "man" all comes back to homophobia. It is in the interest of both gay and trans people to push back against these portrayals.
That's not homophobia at all. Making out with someone of a gender that you are not oriented towards can be an unpleasant experience whether or not you are homosexual.
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On March 11 2013 04:12 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:29 nikonikonii wrote:On March 11 2013 03:25 Shiori wrote:On March 11 2013 03:17 nikonikonii wrote:On March 11 2013 03:06 Shiori wrote:On March 11 2013 02:58 nikonikonii wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. Pedos say pedophilia isn't about sex either. In before I'm told i'm a bigot etc etc. Pedophilia isn't immoral in itself; one can't be blamed for mere attraction to children. They can only be blamed for acting on it, because that's where choice comes into play. The reason they are blamed is that children are incapable of consenting to sexual relations with an adult. In contrast, homosexual relationships are constructed as being between two consenting adults, much like heterosexual relationships. For this reason, there is no cause for denying homosexuals the right to marry. And the idea that "there are bigger problems to solve" is absurd. We should fix every problem as we encounter it. Just because there are kids starving in Africa doesn't mean we shouldn't abolish slavery back at home. Marriage is never a right, it's a privilege. Stop implying that I'm a homophobic just because I don't fully agree with all this stuff. Also that analogy is retarded. slavery isn't a first world problem. I didn't imply you're a bigot. Okay, why should homosexuals be denied the "privilege" of marrying whomever they want? Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. You realize that we can fix multiple problems at once, right? It's not like we're incapable of passing laws regarding people living below the poverty line just because we legalized homosexual marriages.
Seeing how incompetent the US government is right now, I don't see that being solved at the same time.
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On March 11 2013 04:21 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:29 fusionsdf wrote:
And you have to admit that the throwing up because he kissed a "man" all comes back to homophobia. It is in the interest of both gay and trans people to push back against these portrayals. That's not homophobia at all. Making out with someone of a gender that you are not oriented towards can be an unpleasant experience whether or not you are homosexual.
It's not commonly depicted in media that a gay guy throws up after kissing a girl. Maybe this is just my bisexuality coming out, but a kiss is a kiss, and a set of lips is a set of lips. I can see why you wouldn't want to kiss someone of a gender you aren't attracted to, but I don't understand how that would entail brushing your teeth for 30 minutes, crying in the shower, feeling suicidal, and throwing up.
Just think, have you ever seen that situation play out in the media when it wasn't a straight male and a trans woman?
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On March 11 2013 04:24 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 04:21 Warlock40 wrote:On March 11 2013 03:29 fusionsdf wrote:
And you have to admit that the throwing up because he kissed a "man" all comes back to homophobia. It is in the interest of both gay and trans people to push back against these portrayals. That's not homophobia at all. Making out with someone of a gender that you are not oriented towards can be an unpleasant experience whether or not you are homosexual. It's not commonly depicted in media that a gay guy throws up after kissing a girl. Maybe this is just my bisexuality coming out, but a kiss is a kiss, and a set of lips is a set of lips. I can see why you wouldn't want to kiss someone of a gender you aren't attracted to, but I don't understand how that would entail brushing your teeth for 30 minutes, crying in the shower, feeling suicidal, and throwing up.
Maybe this is just my gender apathy coming out, but a healthy body is a healthy body. I can see why you might prefer not to experience the manifestations of a Y-chromosome, but I don't understand how that would entail disguising your natural speaking voice, crying in the shower, feeling suicidal, and misery.
People's preferences are weird, and their reactions are irrational. They're also strongly manifested, and quite resistant to change.
Just think, have you ever seen that situation play out in the media when it wasn't a straight male and a trans woman?
I'm not aware of such. Actually, I don't think I've ever seen a transman in media at all.
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On March 11 2013 03:31 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:10 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable. Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation. That is pretty bigoted if you ask me. Really? Bigoted? So now we have to be cool with having sex with transgendered people to not be a bigot?
I guess I'm a bigot then. I would go as far as saying a straight male being disgusted with the idea of having sex with a transsexual is natural.
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On March 11 2013 04:37 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:31 BlackJack wrote:On March 11 2013 03:10 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable. Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation. That is pretty bigoted if you ask me. Really? Bigoted? So now we have to be cool with having sex with transgendered people to not be a bigot? I guess I'm a bigot then. I would go as far as saying a straight male being disgusted with the idea of having sex with a transsexual is natural.
*Sigh* Another person missing the point. It is not about "would you tap that?" it is about portrayal.
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On March 11 2013 04:37 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:31 BlackJack wrote:On March 11 2013 03:10 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable. Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation. That is pretty bigoted if you ask me. Really? Bigoted? So now we have to be cool with having sex with transgendered people to not be a bigot? I guess I'm a bigot then. I would go as far as saying a straight male being disgusted with the idea of having sex with a transsexual is natural.
Also to add, natural is a bit of a weird word to use there. It's not bigoted either way, but it's also not unnatural for a straight male to find someone looks, sounds, smells and identifies as female attractive. It's also not unnatural to not like the idea of being with a trans person either.
I guess my point is that declerations of what is natural are a bit far fetched in this regard.
I don't think your post was intended to mean that the issue is only about sex, which is why I'm replying.
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On March 11 2013 04:42 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 04:37 heliusx wrote:On March 11 2013 03:31 BlackJack wrote:On March 11 2013 03:10 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable. Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation. That is pretty bigoted if you ask me. Really? Bigoted? So now we have to be cool with having sex with transgendered people to not be a bigot? I guess I'm a bigot then. I would go as far as saying a straight male being disgusted with the idea of having sex with a transsexual is natural. *Sigh* Another person missing the point. It is not about "would you tap that?" it is about portrayal.
So comedy shouldn't be able to portray anyone negatively or it's bigoted? lmao.
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On March 11 2013 04:53 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 04:42 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 04:37 heliusx wrote:On March 11 2013 03:31 BlackJack wrote:On March 11 2013 03:10 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable. Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation. That is pretty bigoted if you ask me. Really? Bigoted? So now we have to be cool with having sex with transgendered people to not be a bigot? I guess I'm a bigot then. I would go as far as saying a straight male being disgusted with the idea of having sex with a transsexual is natural. *Sigh* Another person missing the point. It is not about "would you tap that?" it is about portrayal. So comedy shouldn't be able to portray anyone negatively or it's bigoted? lmao.
No, the problem is when that is the only portrayal.
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On March 11 2013 04:53 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 04:42 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 04:37 heliusx wrote:On March 11 2013 03:31 BlackJack wrote:On March 11 2013 03:10 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable. Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation. That is pretty bigoted if you ask me. Really? Bigoted? So now we have to be cool with having sex with transgendered people to not be a bigot? I guess I'm a bigot then. I would go as far as saying a straight male being disgusted with the idea of having sex with a transsexual is natural. *Sigh* Another person missing the point. It is not about "would you tap that?" it is about portrayal. So comedy shouldn't be able to portray anyone negatively or it's bigoted? lmao.
I do not think I ever mentioned anything about prohibiting anyone for portraying their views in comedy.
Let me make this clear now. It is not bigoted if you do not want to have sex with a transexual. It is bigoted if you attach the idea of getting "trapped" to transexualism. And sadly, most people seem to only know about transexualism either through stereotypes provided by media or by porn, specifically Thai ladyboys and "traps" in hentai.
Although not as severe as this example, it is not bigoted if you do not want to have sex with a man, but it is bigoted if you associate homosexuality with pedophilia.
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On March 11 2013 04:36 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 04:24 fusionsdf wrote:On March 11 2013 04:21 Warlock40 wrote:On March 11 2013 03:29 fusionsdf wrote:
And you have to admit that the throwing up because he kissed a "man" all comes back to homophobia. It is in the interest of both gay and trans people to push back against these portrayals. That's not homophobia at all. Making out with someone of a gender that you are not oriented towards can be an unpleasant experience whether or not you are homosexual. It's not commonly depicted in media that a gay guy throws up after kissing a girl. Maybe this is just my bisexuality coming out, but a kiss is a kiss, and a set of lips is a set of lips. I can see why you wouldn't want to kiss someone of a gender you aren't attracted to, but I don't understand how that would entail brushing your teeth for 30 minutes, crying in the shower, feeling suicidal, and throwing up. Maybe this is just my gender apathy coming out, but a healthy body is a healthy body. I can see why you might prefer not to experience the manifestations of a Y-chromosome, but I don't understand how that would entail disguising your natural speaking voice, crying in the shower, feeling suicidal, and misery. People's preferences are weird, and their reactions are irrational. They're also strongly manifested, and quite resistant to change. Show nested quote +Just think, have you ever seen that situation play out in the media when it wasn't a straight male and a trans woman? I'm not aware of such. Actually, I don't think I've ever seen a transman in media at all.
You've completely missed my point. I'm not saying (in my opinion) that is ok to have sex with someone without revealing your gender identity. I'm talking about media portrayals of transsexuality.
And I fail to see how a one off kiss is equally as traumatic as years or decades of identity crisis, dysphoria, etc.
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On March 11 2013 02:57 renlynn wrote:
wait is queer a technical term? always thought it was slang
also on the topic of semantics, I've heard some dislike 'transgender' as a noun and prefer something like 'transgendered person', is this also a thing?
Generally speaking, you shouldn't call any person a noun other than person. Adjectives describe differences.
ie; you don't call someone a colored. It just sounds tacky anyways.
In regards to the Family Guy episode, I wouldn't have minded too much (hey, what's another horrific portrayal of trans people in media when stacked with all the other horrors like Ace Venture, etc) but Seth had to say this before the release of the episode:
"It always distresses me when I hear that the gay community is upset with us, because that's one group of people I hope would know we're on their side. I can safely say that the transsexual community will be very, very happy with the 'Quagmire' episode that we have coming up in a couple of months. It's probably the most sympathetic portrayal of a transexual [sic] character that has ever been on television, dare I say."
So no, the guy simply doesn't get it at all.
That being said, if you don't wanna have sex with a trans person or a relationship at all or anything, that's your deal. The vast majority of guys I've known and started dating had little to no care at all anyways, so you'd be surprised. You can't really tell what you'll decide until you're in that situation though.
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On March 11 2013 06:09 Emzeeshady wrote:
People are really getting mad over Family Guy jokes? I thought we were past arguing about that terrible and irrelevant show.
Also for the record I would probably throw up if I found out I just had sex with a guy.
Try some empathy, she's a woman. Also you would a huge pussy if that were the case. It is amusing how pathetic and insecure holding onto the "masculine identity" with all its trappings makes men. Personally I could easily sleep with a woman and fuck her brains out ect, without being sick at all. I guess heterosexual men are just pussies when it comes to sex ha.
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On March 11 2013 07:01 Smat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:09 Emzeeshady wrote:
People are really getting mad over Family Guy jokes? I thought we were past arguing about that terrible and irrelevant show.
Also for the record I would probably throw up if I found out I just had sex with a guy. Try some empathy, she's a woman. Also you would a huge pussy if that were the case. It is amusing how pathetic and insecure holding onto the "masculine identity" with all its trappings makes men. Personally I could easily sleep with a woman and fuck her brains out ect, without being sick at all. I guess heterosexual men are just pussies when it comes to sex ha.
Hey look it's an internet tough guy. You do realize by posting this needlessly inflammatory drivel you're only undermining the position you thought you would be reinforcing, right?
Let's call people huge pussies just because they don't agree with us on highly controversial topics where most people don't even have a proper, well-defined opinion.
Moron.
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On March 11 2013 07:01 Smat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:09 Emzeeshady wrote:
People are really getting mad over Family Guy jokes? I thought we were past arguing about that terrible and irrelevant show.
Also for the record I would probably throw up if I found out I just had sex with a guy. Try some empathy, she's a woman. Also you would a huge pussy if that were the case. It is amusing how pathetic and insecure holding onto the "masculine identity" with all its trappings makes men. Personally I could easily sleep with a woman and fuck her brains out ect, without being sick at all. I guess heterosexual men are just pussies when it comes to sex ha.
Saying someone is trying to protect their sexuality and masculinity then calling them a pussy does not help the situation... At all.
It's sad to see this thread unfolding like it is, but it's kind Of reflective of the current situation in the u.s im lucky to be in a very very liberal city I suppose 
I think something I would like to see happen is less division in the movement itself and a bigger push for political issues like equal protection for all genders and sexualities under the law especially in the workplace.
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On March 11 2013 07:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 07:01 Smat wrote:On March 11 2013 06:09 Emzeeshady wrote:
People are really getting mad over Family Guy jokes? I thought we were past arguing about that terrible and irrelevant show.
Also for the record I would probably throw up if I found out I just had sex with a guy. Try some empathy, she's a woman. Also you would a huge pussy if that were the case. It is amusing how pathetic and insecure holding onto the "masculine identity" with all its trappings makes men. Personally I could easily sleep with a woman and fuck her brains out ect, without being sick at all. I guess heterosexual men are just pussies when it comes to sex ha. Hey look it's an internet tough guy. You do realize by posting this needlessly inflammatory drivel you're only undermining the position you thought you would be reinforcing, right? Let's call people huge pussies just because they don't agree with us on highly controversial topics where most people don't even have a proper, well-defined opinion. Moron.
From my perspective his statement was inflammatory. Sorry we can't see eye to eye .
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Why is respecting people's sexual/gender identities something to argue about? Don't make a fuss over something that isn't any of your business and don't act like a douche bag to the person just because you have a different view. Being a respectful human being should be more important than getting your point across.
I'm just a naive nobody but maybe other people's feelings are just as, if not more, important than my own?
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