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On March 11 2013 01:26 Le French wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 00:26 sephiria wrote:On March 11 2013 00:18 Le French wrote:On March 10 2013 23:55 sephiria wrote:On March 10 2013 23:45 Zeo wrote:On March 10 2013 23:37 sephiria wrote:
I find it interesting how this thread is about Gay rights ( LGB =/= LGBT) while the real issue that actually is a problem in most western countrys is not adressed in the slightest. While there is a lot of info in the OP I think this is a non issue like the second poster already stated. We are not in the middle ages and if you tell someone around here you are gay it's like telling what you had for breakfast. This thread is not about 'is it ok to be gay'. Look at it like a thread that people post in when there is interesting news about gay rights in the world, better to have it all in one thread, no? EDIT: though I guess it is inevitable that people will discuss 'is it OK to be gay', any reasonable discussion with well thought out arguments should be encouraged and also should be in one place okay, seems reasonable. My other point still stands: What's with the T in the OP title? transsexuality is an identity not a sexual orientation and thus does not fall under the label gay. Admittedly it's often thrown together, but that shouldn't be an excuse? LGBT, and sometimes even extended to LGBTIA is a worldwide standard nomenclature for gender rights. Yes, because it's made up by people that don't have a clue what they are talking about if you ask me :O T just does not belong there. The point I was getting at was ignoring the T. If you make a thread and name it LGBT I expect T coverage, and not exclusively gay coverage (which is, comparatively, not an issue anymore in Europe at least) I think I just tried to express what @shinosai said in a really clumsy way. What exactly is wrong with T, and I and A? They are universal and logical parts of the group. I don't think I understand why you protest?
I just curious here and kind of dumb but what do the I and A stand for? Sorry if this is a really stupid question.
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On March 11 2013 01:43 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 01:26 Le French wrote:On March 11 2013 00:26 sephiria wrote:On March 11 2013 00:18 Le French wrote:On March 10 2013 23:55 sephiria wrote:On March 10 2013 23:45 Zeo wrote:On March 10 2013 23:37 sephiria wrote:
I find it interesting how this thread is about Gay rights ( LGB =/= LGBT) while the real issue that actually is a problem in most western countrys is not adressed in the slightest. While there is a lot of info in the OP I think this is a non issue like the second poster already stated. We are not in the middle ages and if you tell someone around here you are gay it's like telling what you had for breakfast. This thread is not about 'is it ok to be gay'. Look at it like a thread that people post in when there is interesting news about gay rights in the world, better to have it all in one thread, no? EDIT: though I guess it is inevitable that people will discuss 'is it OK to be gay', any reasonable discussion with well thought out arguments should be encouraged and also should be in one place okay, seems reasonable. My other point still stands: What's with the T in the OP title? transsexuality is an identity not a sexual orientation and thus does not fall under the label gay. Admittedly it's often thrown together, but that shouldn't be an excuse? LGBT, and sometimes even extended to LGBTIA is a worldwide standard nomenclature for gender rights. Yes, because it's made up by people that don't have a clue what they are talking about if you ask me :O T just does not belong there. The point I was getting at was ignoring the T. If you make a thread and name it LGBT I expect T coverage, and not exclusively gay coverage (which is, comparatively, not an issue anymore in Europe at least) I think I just tried to express what @shinosai said in a really clumsy way. What exactly is wrong with T, and I and A? They are universal and logical parts of the group. I don't think I understand why you protest? Im not an expert on this issue, but should I change everything to LGBTIA as you suggest, or is LGBT sufficient?
You could also take it to a whole nother level and add on the two Q's for queer and questioning. Personally I think the thing is getting a bit too long.
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On March 11 2013 01:56 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 01:26 Le French wrote:On March 11 2013 00:26 sephiria wrote:On March 11 2013 00:18 Le French wrote:On March 10 2013 23:55 sephiria wrote:On March 10 2013 23:45 Zeo wrote:On March 10 2013 23:37 sephiria wrote:
I find it interesting how this thread is about Gay rights ( LGB =/= LGBT) while the real issue that actually is a problem in most western countrys is not adressed in the slightest. While there is a lot of info in the OP I think this is a non issue like the second poster already stated. We are not in the middle ages and if you tell someone around here you are gay it's like telling what you had for breakfast. This thread is not about 'is it ok to be gay'. Look at it like a thread that people post in when there is interesting news about gay rights in the world, better to have it all in one thread, no? EDIT: though I guess it is inevitable that people will discuss 'is it OK to be gay', any reasonable discussion with well thought out arguments should be encouraged and also should be in one place okay, seems reasonable. My other point still stands: What's with the T in the OP title? transsexuality is an identity not a sexual orientation and thus does not fall under the label gay. Admittedly it's often thrown together, but that shouldn't be an excuse? LGBT, and sometimes even extended to LGBTIA is a worldwide standard nomenclature for gender rights. Yes, because it's made up by people that don't have a clue what they are talking about if you ask me :O T just does not belong there. The point I was getting at was ignoring the T. If you make a thread and name it LGBT I expect T coverage, and not exclusively gay coverage (which is, comparatively, not an issue anymore in Europe at least) I think I just tried to express what @shinosai said in a really clumsy way. What exactly is wrong with T, and I and A? They are universal and logical parts of the group. I don't think I understand why you protest? I just curious here and kind of dumb but what do the I and A stand for? Sorry if this is a really stupid question.
I is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex - i.e. one of the many physical medical disorders that causes you to not cleanly fall into a binary sex. XY people with female organs, XXY, XXX, XXXX, XXXXY, XXXXX, XO (lack of a second chromosome, most of these die but some do live). There is an incredibly vast variety of very rare sexual disorders that can cause literally almost any arrangement of the sexual organs you can think of (including multiple of them). Sadly, most of them also have serious health issues.
A is asexual - i.e. not attracted to any sex and usually not interested in sexual interaction really at all.
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On March 11 2013 01:56 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 01:26 Le French wrote:On March 11 2013 00:26 sephiria wrote:On March 11 2013 00:18 Le French wrote:On March 10 2013 23:55 sephiria wrote:On March 10 2013 23:45 Zeo wrote:On March 10 2013 23:37 sephiria wrote:
I find it interesting how this thread is about Gay rights ( LGB =/= LGBT) while the real issue that actually is a problem in most western countrys is not adressed in the slightest. While there is a lot of info in the OP I think this is a non issue like the second poster already stated. We are not in the middle ages and if you tell someone around here you are gay it's like telling what you had for breakfast. This thread is not about 'is it ok to be gay'. Look at it like a thread that people post in when there is interesting news about gay rights in the world, better to have it all in one thread, no? EDIT: though I guess it is inevitable that people will discuss 'is it OK to be gay', any reasonable discussion with well thought out arguments should be encouraged and also should be in one place okay, seems reasonable. My other point still stands: What's with the T in the OP title? transsexuality is an identity not a sexual orientation and thus does not fall under the label gay. Admittedly it's often thrown together, but that shouldn't be an excuse? LGBT, and sometimes even extended to LGBTQIA is a worldwide standard nomenclature for gender rights. Yes, because it's made up by people that don't have a clue what they are talking about if you ask me :O T just does not belong there. The point I was getting at was ignoring the T. If you make a thread and name it LGBT I expect T coverage, and not exclusively gay coverage (which is, comparatively, not an issue anymore in Europe at least) I think I just tried to express what @shinosai said in a really clumsy way. What exactly is wrong with T, and I and A? They are universal and logical parts of the group. I don't think I understand why you protest? I just curious here and kind of dumb but what do the I and A stand for? Sorry if this is a really stupid question.
lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transsexuals, queer, intersexual, asexual
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On March 11 2013 01:58 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 01:43 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:On March 11 2013 01:26 Le French wrote:On March 11 2013 00:26 sephiria wrote:On March 11 2013 00:18 Le French wrote:On March 10 2013 23:55 sephiria wrote:On March 10 2013 23:45 Zeo wrote:On March 10 2013 23:37 sephiria wrote:
I find it interesting how this thread is about Gay rights ( LGB =/= LGBT) while the real issue that actually is a problem in most western countrys is not adressed in the slightest. While there is a lot of info in the OP I think this is a non issue like the second poster already stated. We are not in the middle ages and if you tell someone around here you are gay it's like telling what you had for breakfast. This thread is not about 'is it ok to be gay'. Look at it like a thread that people post in when there is interesting news about gay rights in the world, better to have it all in one thread, no? EDIT: though I guess it is inevitable that people will discuss 'is it OK to be gay', any reasonable discussion with well thought out arguments should be encouraged and also should be in one place okay, seems reasonable. My other point still stands: What's with the T in the OP title? transsexuality is an identity not a sexual orientation and thus does not fall under the label gay. Admittedly it's often thrown together, but that shouldn't be an excuse? LGBT, and sometimes even extended to LGBTIA is a worldwide standard nomenclature for gender rights. Yes, because it's made up by people that don't have a clue what they are talking about if you ask me :O T just does not belong there. The point I was getting at was ignoring the T. If you make a thread and name it LGBT I expect T coverage, and not exclusively gay coverage (which is, comparatively, not an issue anymore in Europe at least) I think I just tried to express what @shinosai said in a really clumsy way. What exactly is wrong with T, and I and A? They are universal and logical parts of the group. I don't think I understand why you protest? Im not an expert on this issue, but should I change everything to LGBTIA as you suggest, or is LGBT sufficient? You could also take it to a whole nother level and add on the two Q's for queer and questioning. Personally I think the thing is getting a bit too long.
Now it sounds more like a bureaucratic department in some obscure government intelligence office lol
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On March 11 2013 01:26 Le French wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 00:26 sephiria wrote:On March 11 2013 00:18 Le French wrote:On March 10 2013 23:55 sephiria wrote:On March 10 2013 23:45 Zeo wrote:On March 10 2013 23:37 sephiria wrote:
I find it interesting how this thread is about Gay rights ( LGB =/= LGBT) while the real issue that actually is a problem in most western countrys is not adressed in the slightest. While there is a lot of info in the OP I think this is a non issue like the second poster already stated. We are not in the middle ages and if you tell someone around here you are gay it's like telling what you had for breakfast. This thread is not about 'is it ok to be gay'. Look at it like a thread that people post in when there is interesting news about gay rights in the world, better to have it all in one thread, no? EDIT: though I guess it is inevitable that people will discuss 'is it OK to be gay', any reasonable discussion with well thought out arguments should be encouraged and also should be in one place okay, seems reasonable. My other point still stands: What's with the T in the OP title? transsexuality is an identity not a sexual orientation and thus does not fall under the label gay. Admittedly it's often thrown together, but that shouldn't be an excuse? LGBT, and sometimes even extended to LGBTIA is a worldwide standard nomenclature for gender rights. Yes, because it's made up by people that don't have a clue what they are talking about if you ask me :O T just does not belong there. The point I was getting at was ignoring the T. If you make a thread and name it LGBT I expect T coverage, and not exclusively gay coverage (which is, comparatively, not an issue anymore in Europe at least) I think I just tried to express what @shinosai said in a really clumsy way. What exactly is wrong with T, and I and A? They are universal and logical parts of the group. I don't think I understand why you protest?
The idea is that transsexual individuals and intersexed individuals have a different basis for societal discrimination (being their gender identity, rather than their sexual orientation.) As such, they don't necessarily belong to the Gay, Lesbian, or Bisexual sections.
I personally don't mind the umbrella though--since the trans and intersexed base of people tends to be small than homosexual/bisexual, making a symbiotic relationship of fighting for each others rights as well as your own benefits both parties. Others advocate separation on the basis of clouding the understanding of the uninformed (ie; people thinking that trans/intersex being a sexual orientation, or homo/bisexuality being a gender expression.)
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On March 11 2013 01:40 Magic_Mike wrote:
This thread actually makes me think not simply about the rights of gays and lesbians but about all "alternative" lifestyles that have their choices limited by outdated or nonsensical laws. For a long time now there has been a sort of movement for the LGBT community as a whole and they are much more accepted now than they were say 20 or even 10 years ago. Specifically what about Poly or polygamous couples. I don't mean kids who were force from a young age to marry and have sex with a man 10 times older than them but people who actively choose to have relationships with more than one person. Should a man or a woman be able to have more than one wife or husband if all parties involved sign on the dotted line? If marriage is now a civil affair and no longer a religious one, what about a poly "triad" with one man and two women. The man is married to the first and has one kid with her but is also in a relationship with the other and has 7 kids with her. He has to gets severely injured and is on life support. Woman one is his legal wife and has the choice of pulling the plug or not. Woman two arguably has more to lose if he could have pulled through but has no legal rights at all. Very good point. I would love to read about it if someone makes a seperate thread about it. Respecting different lifestyles is the trend these days like this LGBT thing. Come to think of it, laws prohibiting polygamy should probably have to be condemened equaly. Just like SC2 balance discussion, maybe polygamous community doesn't QQ as much as LGBT community does? I don't know.
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On March 11 2013 02:12 Le French wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 01:56 Magic_Mike wrote:On March 11 2013 01:26 Le French wrote:On March 11 2013 00:26 sephiria wrote:On March 11 2013 00:18 Le French wrote:On March 10 2013 23:55 sephiria wrote:On March 10 2013 23:45 Zeo wrote:On March 10 2013 23:37 sephiria wrote:
I find it interesting how this thread is about Gay rights ( LGB =/= LGBT) while the real issue that actually is a problem in most western countrys is not adressed in the slightest. While there is a lot of info in the OP I think this is a non issue like the second poster already stated. We are not in the middle ages and if you tell someone around here you are gay it's like telling what you had for breakfast. This thread is not about 'is it ok to be gay'. Look at it like a thread that people post in when there is interesting news about gay rights in the world, better to have it all in one thread, no? EDIT: though I guess it is inevitable that people will discuss 'is it OK to be gay', any reasonable discussion with well thought out arguments should be encouraged and also should be in one place okay, seems reasonable. My other point still stands: What's with the T in the OP title? transsexuality is an identity not a sexual orientation and thus does not fall under the label gay. Admittedly it's often thrown together, but that shouldn't be an excuse? LGBT, and sometimes even extended to LGBTQIA is a worldwide standard nomenclature for gender rights. Yes, because it's made up by people that don't have a clue what they are talking about if you ask me :O T just does not belong there. The point I was getting at was ignoring the T. If you make a thread and name it LGBT I expect T coverage, and not exclusively gay coverage (which is, comparatively, not an issue anymore in Europe at least) I think I just tried to express what @shinosai said in a really clumsy way. What exactly is wrong with T, and I and A? They are universal and logical parts of the group. I don't think I understand why you protest? I just curious here and kind of dumb but what do the I and A stand for? Sorry if this is a really stupid question. lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transsexuals, queer, intersexual, asexual
LGBE: lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and everyone else who isn't straight.
But lesbian is just a subset of gay, so that's redundant (never understood why you need L if you have G).
Why not just "NonHets": Non-heterosexuals? Or something like that. So many new letters for the ever-increasing acronym of equality. (Although perhaps a community may take issue with their identity being labeled as what they're not, rather than what they are... which may be the reason why we see this long acronym in the first place.)
Anyways, more on topic: I'm excited at the (slow, but steady) progress that's occurring in many countries regarding the legal recognition and layman acceptance of homosexuality (and other non-heterosexual statuses) in society.
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On March 11 2013 02:19 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 01:40 Magic_Mike wrote:
This thread actually makes me think not simply about the rights of gays and lesbians but about all "alternative" lifestyles that have their choices limited by outdated or nonsensical laws. For a long time now there has been a sort of movement for the LGBT community as a whole and they are much more accepted now than they were say 20 or even 10 years ago. Specifically what about Poly or polygamous couples. I don't mean kids who were force from a young age to marry and have sex with a man 10 times older than them but people who actively choose to have relationships with more than one person. Should a man or a woman be able to have more than one wife or husband if all parties involved sign on the dotted line? If marriage is now a civil affair and no longer a religious one, what about a poly "triad" with one man and two women. The man is married to the first and has one kid with her but is also in a relationship with the other and has 7 kids with her. He has to gets severely injured and is on life support. Woman one is his legal wife and has the choice of pulling the plug or not. Woman two arguably has more to lose if he could have pulled through but has no legal rights at all. Very good point. I would love to read about it if someone makes a seperate thread about it. Respecting different lifestyles is the trend these days like this LGBT thing. Come to think of it, laws prohibiting polygamy should probably have to be condemened equaly. Just like SC2 balance discussion, maybe polygamous community doesn't QQ as much as LGBT community does? I don't know.
The polygamous community probably isn't as large or as widespread (probably localized to specific areas, with specific religious or idealistic tendencies) as the gay community. Also, while a discussion could certainly exist on the possibility and probability of successful polygamy, it's definitely different from sexual orientation in the respects of choice, genetics, and environmental factors, so I find it more beneficial to talk about them separately, so that no slippery slopes or equivocations are drawn. Nonetheless, they've both been stereotyped and labeled with a negative connotation throughout much of history and many modern cultures (not all though).
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Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority.
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On March 11 2013 01:26 Le French wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 00:26 sephiria wrote:On March 11 2013 00:18 Le French wrote:On March 10 2013 23:55 sephiria wrote:On March 10 2013 23:45 Zeo wrote:On March 10 2013 23:37 sephiria wrote:
I find it interesting how this thread is about Gay rights ( LGB =/= LGBT) while the real issue that actually is a problem in most western countrys is not adressed in the slightest. While there is a lot of info in the OP I think this is a non issue like the second poster already stated. We are not in the middle ages and if you tell someone around here you are gay it's like telling what you had for breakfast. This thread is not about 'is it ok to be gay'. Look at it like a thread that people post in when there is interesting news about gay rights in the world, better to have it all in one thread, no? EDIT: though I guess it is inevitable that people will discuss 'is it OK to be gay', any reasonable discussion with well thought out arguments should be encouraged and also should be in one place okay, seems reasonable. My other point still stands: What's with the T in the OP title? transsexuality is an identity not a sexual orientation and thus does not fall under the label gay. Admittedly it's often thrown together, but that shouldn't be an excuse? LGBT, and sometimes even extended to LGBTIA is a worldwide standard nomenclature for gender rights. Yes, because it's made up by people that don't have a clue what they are talking about if you ask me :O T just does not belong there. The point I was getting at was ignoring the T. If you make a thread and name it LGBT I expect T coverage, and not exclusively gay coverage (which is, comparatively, not an issue anymore in Europe at least) I think I just tried to express what @shinosai said in a really clumsy way. What exactly is wrong with T, and I and A? They are universal and logical parts of the group. I don't think I understand why you protest?
on what basis are they added? I mean what do they have in common?
The only reason Ts occassionaly 'team up' with LGBs is their low numbers, and I accept this for shared interests. But I don't give a fuck about gay marriage, I mean I don't oppose it. But it is not MY fight. And I think that any T in any country should turn their attention to more pressing matters. (discrimination by medical personell, high costs, court problems) and not something that is nothing but luxory. Maybe I am just too sensitive for this topic. I dont know?
Even if you think differently: How are they relevant in the context of the thread?
OP is (or has been) obv. talking about gay rights. But gay rights usually don't effekt Asexuals or transsexuals. So adding this means (ab-)using the T-label without reason. Why? Or should I ask for whom?
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On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority.
Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about.
But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems.
Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome?
And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person?
The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show.
EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings.
The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?"
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wait is queer a technical term? always thought it was slang
also on the topic of semantics, I've heard some dislike 'transgender' as a noun and prefer something like 'transgendered person', is this also a thing?
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On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about.
Pedos say pedophilia isn't about sex either.
In before I'm told i'm a bigot etc etc.
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On March 11 2013 02:57 renlynn wrote:
wait is queer a technical term? always thought it was slang
also on the topic of semantics, I've heard some dislike 'transgender' as a noun and prefer something like 'transgendered person', is this also a thing?
Haha, I am not too familiar with transgendered/transexual rights, but one thing I learned that a lot of people dislike being called is a trap.
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On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?"
lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on...
come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage.
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On March 11 2013 02:58 nikonikonii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. Pedos say pedophilia isn't about sex either. In before I'm told i'm a bigot etc etc.
Pedophilia isn't immoral in itself; one can't be blamed for mere attraction to children. They can only be blamed for acting on it, because that's where choice comes into play. The reason they are blamed is that children are incapable of consenting to sexual relations with an adult. In contrast, homosexual relationships are constructed as being between two consenting adults, much like heterosexual relationships. For this reason, there is no cause for denying homosexuals the right to marry.
And the idea that "there are bigger problems to solve" is absurd. We should fix every problem as we encounter it. Just because there are kids starving in Africa doesn't mean we shouldn't abolish slavery back at home.
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On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage.
That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable.
Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation.
That is pretty bigoted if you ask me.
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Hmmm... the OP says LGBT, but it really only mentions L and G. This is a constant annoyance when reading news, etc, as many people (and newspaper outlets) really just use LGBT as a synonym for gay. Now, assuming you aren't trans OP, I can understand why you wouldn't immediately have transgender (or bisexual, for that matter), news/discussion stuff availabile, but if you really want this to be an LGBT thread and not just another gay rights thread, I would strongly consider adding some info about Bisexuality/Trans*/GenderQueer etc.
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On March 11 2013 03:10 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:04 EleanorRIgby wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 Shiragaku wrote:On March 11 2013 02:31 nikonikonii wrote:
Gay people always had equal rights from the very beginning, what they're asking now (gay marriage) is privilege.
I don't really care if you're a man that's into another man's cock. But I'm pretty sure there are more issues that are needed to be fixed like education, jobs, fight against corruption or starvation if you're from the third world.
Honestly, bitching for gay privilege is just first world problems and not really that much of a priority. Haha, the first thing you seem to think of when you hear gay rights is sex. That is usually the first thing anti-gay people seem to think about. But speaking about sex and to get off topic with our game of semantics, I would say that today even in the most progressive areas, women and MtF transgendered/transexuals seem to have quite a few problems. Talking from experience, whenever a girl tells me she is bisexual, I never know whether to take her seriously or not because I have seen so many faux bisexuals doing it for attention. On the other hand, there are many girls who are truly bisexual and face mass perversion from many straight males because one of the things they often think about is can they get a threesome? And concerning transgendered individuals, especially ones that get a sex changed, there seems to be a lot of transphobia that exists today, even from gay rights and feminist activists. But the most common transphobia I see with MtF is that transgendered people are trying to "trap" you and give you the "gay" or would you still have sex with the person? The family guy episode with Quagmire's dad is an example of this which was the last straw for me with that show. EDIT - I understand that we are really sexual beings, after all Freud said that whenever he tried to write about love, he would always end up writing about sex because it is impossible not to mention sex. However, one of the biggest obstacles towards acceptance is that people think of us LGBT indivudals as sexual beings. The first questions I often get asked when I tell people I am gay/bi is "Are you the guy or girl?" lol you seriously got offended by family guy? Come on... come to canada if you gays want to get married, first country in the americas to legalize same sex marriage. That one episode, it still portrayed trans as some untouchable. Brian meets a very beautiful and great woman, the two have sex, then Brian finds out that the person was formerly a man and throws up for like 10-20 seconds. And Seth MacFarlane said he would do the same thing if he got in a similar situation. That is pretty bigoted if you ask me.
i guess, but its sorta like me getting mad at south parks Canadian jokes. Also shouldn't you disclose that you had a sex change to your sexual partners before having sex?
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