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On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread.
Of course, there are biological men. The vast majority of people born male identify as men. What's closer to the truth: "gender and sex are the same thing, except for roughly 0,01% of cases" or "gender and sex are not the same thing, except for roughly 99,99% of cases"? To me saying the former is somehow wrong is like saying that saying "human hand has four fingers and a thumb" is wrong because of the rare cases when it doesn't.
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On August 08 2013 23:21 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. Of course, there are biological men. The vast majority of people born male identify as men. What's closer to the truth: "gender and sex are the same thing, except for roughly 0,01% of cases" or "gender and sex are not the same thing, except for roughly 99,99% of cases"? To me saying the former is somehow wrong is like saying that saying "human hand has four fingers and a thumb" is wrong because of the rare cases when it doesn't.
i think by the same thing you mean match?
cause they are obviously not the same thing
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On August 08 2013 23:20 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument. no i'm quoting the world health organization. you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation
Fine, you are quoting someone else arguing semantics.
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On August 08 2013 23:22 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:20 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument. no i'm quoting the world health organization. you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation Fine, you are quoting someone else arguing semantics.
you asked what you said that was incorrect and i informed you
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On August 08 2013 23:21 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:21 maybenexttime wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. Of course, there are biological men. The vast majority of people born male identify as men. What's closer to the truth: "gender and sex are the same thing, except for roughly 0,01% of cases" or "gender and sex are not the same thing, except for roughly 99,99% of cases"? To me saying the former is somehow wrong is like saying that saying "human hand has four fingers and a thumb" is wrong because of the rare cases when it doesn't. i think by the same thing you mean match? cause they are obviously not the same thing
They essentially are, save for the rare cases when people don't identify with their sex.
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On August 08 2013 23:22 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:20 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument. no i'm quoting the world health organization. you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation Fine, you are quoting someone else arguing semantics.
Well it is the world health organization. Its not like its some random blog from the internet.
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On August 08 2013 23:12 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:59 shinosai wrote:On August 08 2013 22:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:00 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.
If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.
That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it! I didn't judge. I said do as you wish.  No, you said "Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.", which you have to admit is pretty judgemental. Apparently as long as I do this, you think its OK for people to deceive me. If I slept with you and you didn't tell me how you feel about trans women beforehand, I would feel extremely deceived myself. How would I have deceived you? I thought you were a biological woman. Are you saying I should disclose my disinterest in sleeping with trans women to every woman I want to sleep with?
You deceived me because I would never sleep with someone who I think is transphobic (or if that hurts your feelings, 'doesn't like trans women.') And yet you convinced me to sleep with you without disclosing this fact in this hypothetical. Yes, you should disclose your disinterest. I thought you weren't transphobic. A lot of other cis women feel the same way.
You expect me to disclose my trans status with every person I want to hypothetically want to sleep with, but you can't disclose your transphobia to every person you want to sleep with? It's hardly secret knowledge that many people do not like transphobes - cis or trans.
It's easy for you to tell me that I should obviously make the *assumption* that almost no one wants to sleep with a trans person, but why can't you make the *assumption* that almost no one wants to sleep with a transphobe? Neither assumption is based on any empirical evidence, but both seem to be within the realm of possibility.
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On August 08 2013 23:24 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:21 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:21 maybenexttime wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. Of course, there are biological men. The vast majority of people born male identify as men. What's closer to the truth: "gender and sex are the same thing, except for roughly 0,01% of cases" or "gender and sex are not the same thing, except for roughly 99,99% of cases"? To me saying the former is somehow wrong is like saying that saying "human hand has four fingers and a thumb" is wrong because of the rare cases when it doesn't. i think by the same thing you mean match? cause they are obviously not the same thing They essentially are, save for the rare cases when people don't identify with their sex.
I disagree, for example i have a massive penis but i don't very strongly identify with men.
gender and sex are two different axis completely.
the traits of a "man" are not biological
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On August 08 2013 23:23 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:22 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:20 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument. no i'm quoting the world health organization. you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation Fine, you are quoting someone else arguing semantics. you asked what you said that was incorrect and i informed you
A human male is called a man.
noun (plural men /mɛn/)
1an adult human male:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/man
I try not to engage in semantics, but you forced me.
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this is why asked you to read up mang that was linked like 100 pages ago
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On August 08 2013 23:26 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:23 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:22 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:20 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument. no i'm quoting the world health organization. you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation Fine, you are quoting someone else arguing semantics. you asked what you said that was incorrect and i informed you A human male is called a man. http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/man
Really, the oxford english dictionary? It is now a medical expert? I thought it just told me how you use a word in a sentence and didn't really care about social context.
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On August 08 2013 23:26 ComaDose wrote:
this is why asked you to read up mang that was linked like 100 pages ago
I dont need to. That's the defenition right there. You cant just redefine words to mean what you want them to!
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On August 08 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:26 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:23 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:22 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:20 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument. no i'm quoting the world health organization. you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation Fine, you are quoting someone else arguing semantics. you asked what you said that was incorrect and i informed you A human male is called a man.
noun (plural men /mɛn/)
1an adult human male:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/man Really, the oxford english dictionary? It is now a medical expert? I thought it just told me how you use a word in a sentence and didn't really care about social context.
A man is a man is a man, regardless of social context.
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On August 08 2013 23:28 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:26 ComaDose wrote:
this is why asked you to read up mang that was linked like 100 pages ago I dont need to. That's the defenition right there. You cant just redefine words to mean what you want them to!
wait maybe it was actually you that linked it 100 pages ago im having dejavu
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On August 08 2013 23:29 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:26 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:23 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:22 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:20 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument. no i'm quoting the world health organization. you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation Fine, you are quoting someone else arguing semantics. you asked what you said that was incorrect and i informed you A human male is called a man.
noun (plural men /mɛn/)
1an adult human male:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/man Really, the oxford english dictionary? It is now a medical expert? I thought it just told me how you use a word in a sentence and didn't really care about social context. A man is a man is a man, regardless of social context.
actually a man is different in every society.
manly men like cars has nothing to do with biology
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On August 08 2013 23:29 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:26 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:23 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:22 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:20 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument. no i'm quoting the world health organization. you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation Fine, you are quoting someone else arguing semantics. you asked what you said that was incorrect and i informed you A human male is called a man.
noun (plural men /mɛn/)
1an adult human male:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/man Really, the oxford english dictionary? It is now a medical expert? I thought it just told me how you use a word in a sentence and didn't really care about social context. A man is a man is a man, regardless of social context.
That is some compelling evidence you have there. You might as well say "Because I say so and its true"
On August 08 2013 23:28 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:26 ComaDose wrote:
this is why asked you to read up mang that was linked like 100 pages ago I dont need to. That's the defenition right there. You cant just redefine words to mean what you want them to!
The city of Boston and our use of the word "Wicked" disagrees with you. Also the use of the word "cool".
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Whatever. You people are more concerned with changing words' meaning than anything else. Good luck with that!
I'm done.
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that was easyer than usual
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On August 08 2013 23:34 ComaDose wrote:
that was easyer than usual
But you didn't achieve anything, this isn't a points scoring exercise.
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On August 08 2013 23:31 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:29 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:26 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:23 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:22 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:20 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:
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What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument. no i'm quoting the world health organization. you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation Fine, you are quoting someone else arguing semantics. you asked what you said that was incorrect and i informed you A human male is called a man.
noun (plural men /mɛn/)
1an adult human male:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/man Really, the oxford english dictionary? It is now a medical expert? I thought it just told me how you use a word in a sentence and didn't really care about social context. A man is a man is a man, regardless of social context. actually a man is different in every society. manly men like cars has nothing to do with biology
To be fair, that's a gender role, not a biological thing. Some people are all for breaking down gender roles, but not for identifying as the opposite sex in a biological context.
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