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On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.
It's selfish and wrong.
Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up.
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On August 08 2013 21:30 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.
It's selfish and wrong. Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up.
In his defense the biological sex from birth was male. The man didn't become a woman like a male clown fish becomes a female clown fish for procreation reasons.
Now we can argue gender a lot easier and say that the transwoman is a female gender and be correct. The boundary of biological sex is still cloudy as the transwoman has an XY chromosome instead of just XX chromosome.
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Meh still on this topic?
Yes its slightly immoral to not disclose. However its not rape. Its not even near. Its only really bad if the trans person has valid reasons to believe the other person would be significantly damaged emotionally were he/she to find out. Otherwise its not a big deal.
So yes its a little immoral. But everyone is a little immoral.
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On August 08 2013 21:33 Nacl(Draq) wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:30 shinosai wrote:On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.
It's selfish and wrong. Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up. In his defense the biological sex from birth was male. The man didn't become a woman like a male clown fish becomes a female clown fish for procreation reasons. Now we can argue gender a lot easier and say that the transwoman is a female gender and be correct. The boundary of biological sex is still cloudy as the transwoman has an XY chromosome instead of just XX chromosome.
We have already discussed the chromosome argument among other things.
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On August 08 2013 21:30 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.
It's selfish and wrong. Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up.
No, it isn't. They are biological males, period, and I won't discuss semantics.
You may notice I used "she", and "her" mostly, The only context I used "man" in was when describing my needs and feelings, and I feel no need to apoligize for that, just as trans people shouldnt feel the need to apoligize for their need to change sex.
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On August 08 2013 21:37 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:33 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On August 08 2013 21:30 shinosai wrote:On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.
It's selfish and wrong. Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up. In his defense the biological sex from birth was male. The man didn't become a woman like a male clown fish becomes a female clown fish for procreation reasons. Now we can argue gender a lot easier and say that the transwoman is a female gender and be correct. The boundary of biological sex is still cloudy as the transwoman has an XY chromosome instead of just XX chromosome. We have already discussed the chromosome argument among other things.
Cool, then we can easily understand the difference of gender vs sex and why people have different thoughts on the subject and that it is cloudy.
To some people a rock will always be a rock even if you polish it and make it smooth. To others when a rock becomes smooth and polished you can put it on a ring and call it jewelry. Different people have different opinions. Lets not damn each other for having different opinions and ideas. That leads to creating a religion.
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Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.
If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.
If you aren't worried about it, then do as you wish.
Now if you're forced to have sex with a transwoman, you should report the rape and try to get your life back in order. Sucks that it happened though.
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On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.
If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.
That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it!
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On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.
If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.
That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it!
I didn't judge. I said do as you wish. 
Everyone has their own pleasure seeking desires. You just have to weigh the risks.
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If we just go back and reflect on our moral roots, all these issues on gender would not be a problem at all.
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On August 08 2013 22:00 Nacl(Draq) wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.
If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.
That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it! I didn't judge. I said do as you wish.
No, you said "Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.", which you have to admit is pretty judgemental.
Apparently as long as I do this, you think its OK for people to deceive me.
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On August 08 2013 22:05 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:00 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.
If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.
That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it! I didn't judge. I said do as you wish. No, you said "Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.", which you have to admit is pretty judgemental. Apparently as long as I do this, you think its OK for people to deceive me.
I said that right after, "If you're worried...." And I stand by it. If you are worried about catching an STD use a condom. Never take anyone's word on anything. People lie, cheat, steal, rape, kill, and hack, you have to be careful about things.
It is almost NEVER ok for anyone to deceive anyone, it happens though.
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killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before.
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On August 08 2013 22:05 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:00 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.
If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.
That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it! I didn't judge. I said do as you wish. No, you said "Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.", which you have to admit is pretty judgemental. Apparently as long as I do this, you think its OK for people to deceive me.
If I slept with you and you didn't tell me how you feel about trans women beforehand, I would feel extremely deceived myself.
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On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before.
What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation.
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On August 08 2013 22:59 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:00 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.
If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.
That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it! I didn't judge. I said do as you wish. No, you said "Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.", which you have to admit is pretty judgemental. Apparently as long as I do this, you think its OK for people to deceive me. If I slept with you and you didn't tell me how you feel about trans women beforehand, I would feel extremely deceived myself.
How would I have deceived you? I thought you were a biological woman. Are you saying I should disclose my disinterest in sleeping with trans women to every woman I want to sleep with?
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On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation.
well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning.
there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread.
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On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread.
That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument.
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On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before. What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation. well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning. there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread. That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument.
no i'm quoting the world health organization.
you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation
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