• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:32
CET 10:32
KST 18:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT9Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker15
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Team League Season 10 PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? TvZ is the most complete match up Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed Which units you wish saw more use in the game?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Diablo 2 thread Nintendo Switch Thread Corso Formazione Insegnanti Yoga What Game makes you happy and stress free?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2282 users

LGBT Rights and Gender Equality Thread - Page 141

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 139 140 141 142 143 149 Next
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
August 08 2013 12:30 GMT
#2801
On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.

It's selfish and wrong.


Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 12:35:59
August 08 2013 12:33 GMT
#2802
On August 08 2013 21:30 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.

It's selfish and wrong.


Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up.


In his defense the biological sex from birth was male. The man didn't become a woman like a male clown fish becomes a female clown fish for procreation reasons.
Now we can argue gender a lot easier and say that the transwoman is a female gender and be correct. The boundary of biological sex is still cloudy as the transwoman has an XY chromosome instead of just XX chromosome.
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
August 08 2013 12:36 GMT
#2803
Meh still on this topic?

Yes its slightly immoral to not disclose. However its not rape. Its not even near. Its only really bad if the trans person has valid reasons to believe the other person would be significantly damaged emotionally were he/she to find out. Otherwise its not a big deal.

So yes its a little immoral. But everyone is a little immoral.
Amove for Aiur
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
August 08 2013 12:37 GMT
#2804
On August 08 2013 21:33 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:30 shinosai wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.

It's selfish and wrong.


Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up.


In his defense the biological sex from birth was male. The man didn't become a woman like a male clown fish becomes a female clown fish for procreation reasons.
Now we can argue gender a lot easier and say that the transwoman is a female gender and be correct. The boundary of biological sex is still cloudy as the transwoman has an XY chromosome instead of just XX chromosome.


We have already discussed the chromosome argument among other things.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
August 08 2013 12:39 GMT
#2805
On August 08 2013 21:30 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.

It's selfish and wrong.


Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up.

No, it isn't. They are biological males, period, and I won't discuss semantics.

You may notice I used "she", and "her" mostly, The only context I used "man" in was when describing my needs and feelings, and I feel no need to apoligize for that, just as trans people shouldnt feel the need to apoligize for their need to change sex.
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
August 08 2013 12:40 GMT
#2806
On August 08 2013 21:37 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:33 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:30 shinosai wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:23 Killscreen wrote:
I would be really pissed off if I found out a girl I just slept with was a biological male. Most guys would feel the same way. Wether or not I am entiteled to be pissed is beside the point; the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) and did it anyway. The rationale being that her need for sex outweighs my need to not have sex with men, a need I dont have to defend to anyone.

It's selfish and wrong.


Regardless of whether or not you want to sleep with trans women, did you really just call all trans women men? Wow. That's really fucked up.


In his defense the biological sex from birth was male. The man didn't become a woman like a male clown fish becomes a female clown fish for procreation reasons.
Now we can argue gender a lot easier and say that the transwoman is a female gender and be correct. The boundary of biological sex is still cloudy as the transwoman has an XY chromosome instead of just XX chromosome.


We have already discussed the chromosome argument among other things.


Cool, then we can easily understand the difference of gender vs sex and why people have different thoughts on the subject and that it is cloudy.

To some people a rock will always be a rock even if you polish it and make it smooth. To others when a rock becomes smooth and polished you can put it on a ring and call it jewelry. Different people have different opinions. Lets not damn each other for having different opinions and ideas. That leads to creating a religion.
Hellburn
Profile Joined December 2011
Switzerland229 Posts
August 08 2013 12:43 GMT
#2807
I don't know if this is a bit off-subject or if someone posted this already, but Stephen Fry (one of the most respected individuals in England) wrote an open letter to David Cameron (uk prime minister) regarding LGBT rights/Russian Olympics.

http://www.stephenfry.com/2013/08/07/an-open-letter-to-david-cameron-and-the-ioc/
Make a city go BOOM = > http://oxid-city.antiville.fr/ !
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
August 08 2013 12:50 GMT
#2808
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.

If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.
If you aren't worried about it, then do as you wish.

Now if you're forced to have sex with a transwoman, you should report the rape and try to get your life back in order. Sucks that it happened though.
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 12:54:21
August 08 2013 12:53 GMT
#2809
On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.

If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.


That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it!
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 13:01:27
August 08 2013 13:00 GMT
#2810
On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.

If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.


That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it!


I didn't judge. I said do as you wish.

Everyone has their own pleasure seeking desires. You just have to weigh the risks.
Christ the Redeemer
Profile Joined May 2012
Brazil161 Posts
August 08 2013 13:03 GMT
#2811
If we just go back and reflect on our moral roots, all these issues on gender would not be a problem at all.
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
August 08 2013 13:05 GMT
#2812
On August 08 2013 22:00 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.

If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.


That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it!


I didn't judge. I said do as you wish.

No, you said "Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.", which you have to admit is pretty judgemental.
Apparently as long as I do this, you think its OK for people to deceive me.
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
August 08 2013 13:13 GMT
#2813
On August 08 2013 22:05 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:00 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.

If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.


That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it!


I didn't judge. I said do as you wish.

No, you said "Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.", which you have to admit is pretty judgemental.
Apparently as long as I do this, you think its OK for people to deceive me.


I said that right after, "If you're worried...." And I stand by it. If you are worried about catching an STD use a condom. Never take anyone's word on anything. People lie, cheat, steal, rape, kill, and hack, you have to be careful about things.

It is almost NEVER ok for anyone to deceive anyone, it happens though.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
August 08 2013 13:47 GMT
#2814
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
August 08 2013 13:59 GMT
#2815
On August 08 2013 22:05 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:00 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.

If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.


That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it!


I didn't judge. I said do as you wish.

No, you said "Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.", which you have to admit is pretty judgemental.
Apparently as long as I do this, you think its OK for people to deceive me.


If I slept with you and you didn't tell me how you feel about trans women beforehand, I would feel extremely deceived myself.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
August 08 2013 14:05 GMT
#2816
On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before.

What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation.
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
August 08 2013 14:12 GMT
#2817
On August 08 2013 22:59 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:05 Killscreen wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:00 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:53 Killscreen wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Oh and to Killscreen and anyone worried about sleeping with transwomen without knowing they are trans.

If you're worried about sleeping with transwomen then maybe learn something about the person before you have sex with them. Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.


That is by far the thing in life I enjoy doing most, and fuck you for judging me for it!


I didn't judge. I said do as you wish.

No, you said "Don't just run around sleeping with anything that moves and looks attractive.", which you have to admit is pretty judgemental.
Apparently as long as I do this, you think its OK for people to deceive me.


If I slept with you and you didn't tell me how you feel about trans women beforehand, I would feel extremely deceived myself.

How would I have deceived you? I thought you were a biological woman. Are you saying I should disclose my disinterest in sleeping with trans women to every woman I want to sleep with?
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
August 08 2013 14:12 GMT
#2818
On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before.

What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation.

well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning.
there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 14:16:47
August 08 2013 14:15 GMT
#2819
On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before.

What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation.

well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning.
there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread.

That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
August 08 2013 14:20 GMT
#2820
On August 08 2013 23:15 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:12 ComaDose wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:05 Killscreen wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:47 ComaDose wrote:
killscreen i know you just got here but i really recommend reading more of the thread before you start posting things that are incorrect. also try and be less offensive in general. this is kinda becoming a parade of people finding the discusion and yelling out their opinion that has been yelled before.

What have I said that is incorrect? If you find something I said offensive, then sorry, but that is your problem, not mine. It is not your right to not be offended. I have not been disrespectful to or judgemental of anyones sexual orientation.

well since you refuse to educate yourself we will start from the beginning.
there is no such thing as a biological "man" the word you are searching for is male and saying someone is biologically a man when they identify as a woman is needlessly offensive in a LGBT rights thread.

That is pure semantics. You are trying to redefine the words "man", "woman" and "gender" to suit your argument.

no i'm quoting the world health organization.
you must learn the difference between gender and sex if you wish to have any meaningful contribution to this convorsation
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Prev 1 139 140 141 142 143 149 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
WardiTV Mondays #73
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 149
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 1954
Bisu 523
Larva 416
BeSt 153
Stork 144
ajuk12(nOOB) 110
Pusan 85
Shinee 44
Sacsri 44
Mong 42
[ Show more ]
scan(afreeca) 41
Backho 29
JulyZerg 25
910 24
ZergMaN 19
GoRush 16
Purpose 13
Noble 13
Sea.KH 13
Bale 12
NaDa 12
SilentControl 9
Terrorterran 4
Dota 2
XaKoH 722
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv672
Stewie2K533
kRYSTAL_28
Other Games
summit1g8213
Liquid`RaSZi817
ceh9572
Happy161
Fuzer 147
Mew2King95
Trikslyr26
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL1371
Other Games
gamesdonequick747
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 136
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 75
• LUISG 19
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1340
• Stunt672
• HappyZerGling137
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2h 28m
Replay Cast
14h 28m
PiG Sty Festival
23h 28m
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
1d
KCM Race Survival
1d
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 2h
OSC
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 23h
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Epic.LAN
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-League Week 31
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.