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On August 08 2013 23:53 Killscreen wrote:
Did you redefine "context" also, or am I just not getting you?
context means the things that came before and after something that affect the way it is viewed
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On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then.
Yes, when used to discribe a black person in the modern context. So using "man" to describe a transgender woman is exactly the same. Unless you don't respect the transgender woman, which then you are a jerk.
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On August 08 2013 23:45 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:43 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:40 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:38 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 ComaDose wrote:
that was easyer than usual But you didn't achieve anything, this isn't a points scoring exercise. Getting people to go away and stop saying jerky things is its own reward. So guess what, you convinced me to stay! :D Everything I said is factually correct. You're really arguing with the oxford dictionary? alright lets move on to the next thing you said that was wrong the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) there are many reasons someone wouldn't disclose other than knowing you would be pissed Sure.. It's still deceptive and wrong though, regardless of her reason not to disclose it.
Hey, stop ignoring me. You're deceptive, too. Why aren't you disclosing?
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On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then.
Yep, and so is calling a transwoman a man. Due to context. What a fascinating discussion, this.
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On August 08 2013 23:57 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then. Yep, and so is calling a transwoman a man. Due to context. What a fascinating discussion, this.
this is not fascinating we are just spelling stuff out for him cause he wont educate himself or leave
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On August 08 2013 23:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then. Yes, when used to discribe a black person in the modern context. So using "man" to describe a transgender woman is exactly the same. Unless you don't respect the transgender woman, which then you are a jerk.
No, it isnt the same thing. A word like "faggot" or maybe "tranny" or something along those lines would be the same.
I get your point though, but please try to understand mine; you cannot just alter words' meanings to be what you would like them to be, and it's not fair to scold me for using the English language correctly.
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On August 08 2013 19:27 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:23 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 19:21 Waise wrote:On August 08 2013 19:12 adwodon wrote:
The reason is fairly straight forward, it is a reasonable assumption that most people might not comfortable with it. You might not like this assumption or feel it is wrong in some way but this is how society generally feels about these things. i'm asking you to explain why there is a responsibility to disclose something just because "people might not be comfortable." i can claim to be uncomfortable with almost anything. everyone is different and everyone is comfortable and uncomfortable with different things based on their unique personality. since i can't predict the full extent of anyone's personality, how can i be expected to cater to all of their requisites for who is acceptable to sleep with? perhaps most importantly of all, why must the consideration be first for the person uncomfortable with sleeping with a transexual and not with the fact that a transexual may not be comfortable with disclosing it? Did you read what Kwark had to say about numbers? You can claim to be uncomfortable with anything, but is your discomfort shared by many, many other people? it doesn't matter because the point is that discomfort does not entitle you to information. the right to privacy about your history supersedes the "right" to information about a person you put your penis into. moreover, "many people agree" is an absolutely godawful argument in favor of anything concerning morality
If you don't want to disclose the option is always there to simply not have sex with strangers. The argument that "if I was honest I wouldn't get laid so often so that's obviously not an option" simply doesn't work.
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On August 09 2013 00:06 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:55 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then. Yes, when used to discribe a black person in the modern context. So using "man" to describe a transgender woman is exactly the same. Unless you don't respect the transgender woman, which then you are a jerk. No, it isnt the same thing. A word like "faggot" or maybe "tranny" or something along those lines would be the same. I get your point though, but please try to understand mine; you cannot just alter words' meanings to be what you would like them to be, and it's not fair to scold me for using the English language correctly.
no those are slurs while the words we are talking about are not.
and there are many things i can do using the English language correctly that will get me scolded
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On August 08 2013 23:56 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:45 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:43 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:40 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:38 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 ComaDose wrote:
that was easyer than usual But you didn't achieve anything, this isn't a points scoring exercise. Getting people to go away and stop saying jerky things is its own reward. So guess what, you convinced me to stay! :D Everything I said is factually correct. You're really arguing with the oxford dictionary? alright lets move on to the next thing you said that was wrong the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) there are many reasons someone wouldn't disclose other than knowing you would be pissed Sure.. It's still deceptive and wrong though, regardless of her reason not to disclose it. Hey, stop ignoring me. You're deceptive, too. Why aren't you disclosing?
I bet that sounded like a rational argument in your head.
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On August 09 2013 00:06 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:55 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then. Yes, when used to discribe a black person in the modern context. So using "man" to describe a transgender woman is exactly the same. Unless you don't respect the transgender woman, which then you are a jerk. No, it isnt the same thing. A word like "faggot" or maybe "tranny" or something along those lines would be the same. I get your point though, but please try to understand mine; you cannot just alter words' meanings to be what you would like them to be, and it's not fair to scold me for using the English language correctly.
Once again, the word "cool" and "bad" disagree with you. Also the word "wicked" and "sick". Meaning change over time.
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On August 09 2013 00:08 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:56 shinosai wrote:On August 08 2013 23:45 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:43 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:40 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:38 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 ComaDose wrote:
that was easyer than usual But you didn't achieve anything, this isn't a points scoring exercise. Getting people to go away and stop saying jerky things is its own reward. So guess what, you convinced me to stay! :D Everything I said is factually correct. You're really arguing with the oxford dictionary? alright lets move on to the next thing you said that was wrong the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) there are many reasons someone wouldn't disclose other than knowing you would be pissed Sure.. It's still deceptive and wrong though, regardless of her reason not to disclose it. Hey, stop ignoring me. You're deceptive, too. Why aren't you disclosing? I bet that sounded like a rational argument in your head.
So you don't have a response, then? Don't I have a right to know? Transphobic people are a legitimate danger to my safety. You don't get to have a ridiculous hangup about trans people and then call me irrational for not wanting to sleep with transphobes.
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On August 09 2013 00:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:06 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:55 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then. Yes, when used to discribe a black person in the modern context. So using "man" to describe a transgender woman is exactly the same. Unless you don't respect the transgender woman, which then you are a jerk. No, it isnt the same thing. A word like "faggot" or maybe "tranny" or something along those lines would be the same. I get your point though, but please try to understand mine; you cannot just alter words' meanings to be what you would like them to be, and it's not fair to scold me for using the English language correctly. Once again, the word "cool" and "bad" disagree with you. Also the word "wicked" and "sick". Meaning change over time.
Those are slang words, and lets stick with what the words mean right now shall we? This is where a dictionary is useful.
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On August 09 2013 00:08 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:06 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:55 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then. Yes, when used to discribe a black person in the modern context. So using "man" to describe a transgender woman is exactly the same. Unless you don't respect the transgender woman, which then you are a jerk. No, it isnt the same thing. A word like "faggot" or maybe "tranny" or something along those lines would be the same. I get your point though, but please try to understand mine; you cannot just alter words' meanings to be what you would like them to be, and it's not fair to scold me for using the English language correctly. no those are slurs while the words we are talking about are not. and there are many things i can do using the English language correctly that will get me scolded
How is negro not a slur?
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On August 08 2013 23:56 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:45 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:43 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:40 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:38 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 ComaDose wrote:
that was easyer than usual But you didn't achieve anything, this isn't a points scoring exercise. Getting people to go away and stop saying jerky things is its own reward. So guess what, you convinced me to stay! :D Everything I said is factually correct. You're really arguing with the oxford dictionary? alright lets move on to the next thing you said that was wrong the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) there are many reasons someone wouldn't disclose other than knowing you would be pissed Sure.. It's still deceptive and wrong though, regardless of her reason not to disclose it. Hey, stop ignoring me. You're deceptive, too. Why aren't you disclosing?
If it was reasonable to assume that transphobic status was a dealbreaker for the other party and that being transphobic was so unlikely that they had no reason to ask if you were transphobic you should absolutely disclose. Come up with a hypothetical in which that is the case and I'll back you up on a moral obligation to disclose transphobic status. I don't think it's based in reality though. I think transphobic status is something that the other person can reasonably anticipate, unlike trans status which is really, really rare.
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On August 09 2013 00:12 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:08 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:56 shinosai wrote:On August 08 2013 23:45 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:43 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:40 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:38 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 ComaDose wrote:
that was easyer than usual But you didn't achieve anything, this isn't a points scoring exercise. Getting people to go away and stop saying jerky things is its own reward. So guess what, you convinced me to stay! :D Everything I said is factually correct. You're really arguing with the oxford dictionary? alright lets move on to the next thing you said that was wrong the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) there are many reasons someone wouldn't disclose other than knowing you would be pissed Sure.. It's still deceptive and wrong though, regardless of her reason not to disclose it. Hey, stop ignoring me. You're deceptive, too. Why aren't you disclosing? I bet that sounded like a rational argument in your head. So you don't have a response, then? Don't I have a right to know? Transphobic people are a legitimate danger to my safety. You don't get to have a ridiculous hangup about trans people and then call me irrational for not wanting to sleep with transphobes.
I dont recall saying you are irrational for not wanting to sleep with transphobes. I think what you are saying is that you would rather sleep with a transphobe than be beaten up by him, but I'm not sure.
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On August 09 2013 00:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:56 shinosai wrote:On August 08 2013 23:45 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:43 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:40 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:38 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 ComaDose wrote:
that was easyer than usual But you didn't achieve anything, this isn't a points scoring exercise. Getting people to go away and stop saying jerky things is its own reward. So guess what, you convinced me to stay! :D Everything I said is factually correct. You're really arguing with the oxford dictionary? alright lets move on to the next thing you said that was wrong the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) there are many reasons someone wouldn't disclose other than knowing you would be pissed Sure.. It's still deceptive and wrong though, regardless of her reason not to disclose it. Hey, stop ignoring me. You're deceptive, too. Why aren't you disclosing? If it was reasonable to assume that transphobic status was a dealbreaker for the other party and that being transphobic was so unlikely that they had no reason to ask if you were transphobic you should absolutely disclose. Come up with a hypothetical in which that is the case and I'll back you up on a moral obligation to disclose transphobic status. I don't think it's based in reality though. I think transphobic status is something that the other person can reasonably anticipate, unlike trans status which is really, really rare.
Look, neither of us actually have any evidence on the percentage of people where people are transphobic is a deal breaker, or being trans is a deal breaker. However, I do have a hypothetical for you.
Suppose that from now on, with every woman you dated, you at some point went into an anecdote about how your brother is dating a completely passable post-op trans woman. Let's presume you interject this story tactfully, so that it does not seem absurdly out of place. Make sure to let her know that you would never date "him" because you think that "he" is a man, no matter what "he" does to "his" body.
Do you think that a reasonable amount of women would be turned off by this? If so, then it is reasonable that transphobia is a dealbreaker and you should disclose.
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On August 09 2013 00:17 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:12 shinosai wrote:On August 09 2013 00:08 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:56 shinosai wrote:On August 08 2013 23:45 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:43 ComaDose wrote:On August 08 2013 23:40 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:38 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On August 08 2013 23:34 ComaDose wrote:
that was easyer than usual But you didn't achieve anything, this isn't a points scoring exercise. Getting people to go away and stop saying jerky things is its own reward. So guess what, you convinced me to stay! :D Everything I said is factually correct. You're really arguing with the oxford dictionary? alright lets move on to the next thing you said that was wrong the girl knew I would be pissed ( or she would tell me ) there are many reasons someone wouldn't disclose other than knowing you would be pissed Sure.. It's still deceptive and wrong though, regardless of her reason not to disclose it. Hey, stop ignoring me. You're deceptive, too. Why aren't you disclosing? I bet that sounded like a rational argument in your head. So you don't have a response, then? Don't I have a right to know? Transphobic people are a legitimate danger to my safety. You don't get to have a ridiculous hangup about trans people and then call me irrational for not wanting to sleep with transphobes. I dont recall saying you are irrational for not wanting to sleep with transphobes. I think what you are saying is that you would rather sleep with a transphobe than be beaten up by him, but I'm not sure.
she disagrees with your point that "most guys" would be mad if they found out they slept with a trans person.
also negro is not a slur because context and history.
remember when you recommended using dictionaries?
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On August 09 2013 00:14 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:11 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 00:06 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:55 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then. Yes, when used to discribe a black person in the modern context. So using "man" to describe a transgender woman is exactly the same. Unless you don't respect the transgender woman, which then you are a jerk. No, it isnt the same thing. A word like "faggot" or maybe "tranny" or something along those lines would be the same. I get your point though, but please try to understand mine; you cannot just alter words' meanings to be what you would like them to be, and it's not fair to scold me for using the English language correctly. Once again, the word "cool" and "bad" disagree with you. Also the word "wicked" and "sick". Meaning change over time. Those are slang words, and lets stick with what the words mean right now shall we? This is where a dictionary is useful.
Right, I have work to do and explaining the evolution of language is something you need to learn on your own. Words change over time to mean different things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology
It is fact. Citing the oxford english dictionary does nothing, because the word "Etymology" is also in there. If you look it up, it will inform you word can change over time.
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On August 09 2013 00:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:14 Killscreen wrote:On August 09 2013 00:11 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 00:06 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:55 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:54 Killscreen wrote:On August 08 2013 23:53 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2013 23:50 Killscreen wrote:
If its not derogatory, why shouldnt I call a black person negro then? Because they will fucking punch you? Are you kidding? You don't break that out ever, its a word that has been twisted over time. So its a derogatory term then. Yes, when used to discribe a black person in the modern context. So using "man" to describe a transgender woman is exactly the same. Unless you don't respect the transgender woman, which then you are a jerk. No, it isnt the same thing. A word like "faggot" or maybe "tranny" or something along those lines would be the same. I get your point though, but please try to understand mine; you cannot just alter words' meanings to be what you would like them to be, and it's not fair to scold me for using the English language correctly. Once again, the word "cool" and "bad" disagree with you. Also the word "wicked" and "sick". Meaning change over time. Those are slang words, and lets stick with what the words mean right now shall we? This is where a dictionary is useful. Right, I have work to do and explaining the evolution of language is something you need to learn on your own. Words change over time to mean different things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EtymologyIt is fact. Citing the oxford english dictionary does nothing, because the word "Etymology" is also in there. If you look it up, it will inform you word can change over time.
So since words change, we can just redefine words as we see fit. I hereby redefine "idiot" to mean "nice person".
You're an idiot.
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