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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On March 06 2013 09:55 Epocalypse wrote: It's always a victory for the world when a dictator dies. Question: Would he have survived if he had access to American medicine? I'm not sure, he recieved treatment in Brazil, I'm guessing they are good enough, but he was not a dictator, learn your facts. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
Great post. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On March 06 2013 09:48 KwarK wrote: Surely you're joking. So there were people who were willing to pay a lot of money for food, think about that for a second, they were hungry. That's why people pay a lot above the normal price for food, because they can't get any food at the normal price and they're starving. The beauty of supply and demand is that when that demand appears then people are incentivised to meet it and they get fed. Clearly the state supply of food here was inadequate for whatever reason. So, he failed to feed his people and then, when they attempted to feed themselves, he condemned their hunger based upon his ideology and used the army against them. This is the problem people have with the authoritarian left. They're assholes. so you're the kind of people who believe that speculation as nothing to do with political motives? You're far worse than an authoritarian leftist so. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On March 06 2013 10:07 sAsImre wrote: so you're the kind of people who believe that speculation as nothing to do with political motives? You're far worse than an authoritarian leftist so. It's true that speculation has been a means for the aristocratic right wing to destabilize South American regimes. However, I'm note sure it's the case here. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On March 06 2013 10:13 Kukaracha wrote: It's true that speculation has been a means for the aristocratic right wing to destabilize South American regimes. However, I'm note sure it's the case here. It's a tool against a lot of things, absence of speculation even if money can be made (like against your debt) is pretty useful too. Thinking about supply and demand when lots of market decisions are political ones is just stupid, but hey dem promarket gotta stick with their idiot dogma. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
But that honestly that is not much of a problem for Venezuela right now, why would you guys even care to discuss that: Our problems are the rampant crime, corruption, lack of production in all fields even oil and the list goes on. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On March 06 2013 10:03 Nevermind86 wrote: I'm not sure, he recieved treatment in Brazil, I'm guessing they are good enough, but he was not a dictator, learn your facts. Brazil? Pretty sure it was Cuba. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
It was in Brazil for some time and then in Cuba, mostly in Cuba though. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On March 06 2013 10:21 Nevermind86 wrote: Speculation is caused by both. By political reasons and by wrong government economic policies, the government declared some days ago that their policies were bad and had to be completely adjusted, they did it on chained-national television, that is, forcing all private channels to transmit the news, does that happend in a dictatorship though? Not even in so called democratic government does the government apologize like that on TV. But that honestly that is not much of a problem for Venezuela right now, why would you guys even care to discuss that: Our problems are the rampant crime, corruption, lack of production in all fields even oil and the list goes on. let's just hope you don't add a shacky political transition to the list. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On March 06 2013 10:30 sAsImre wrote: let's just hope you don't add a shacky political transition to the list. Not gonna happend, Maduro, his right hand man and friend of all the oil transnationals wins by a landslide. He was the chancellor of foreign affairs for a long time and because of that the key man in the negotiations with all the oil transnational that took part in the re-privatization of oil started in 2010, he is the man of both chinese and russian oil interests, the biggest investors of the country, he is also a very charismatic guy that has been with Chavez since forever, no way he losses. On top of all of that he's a jew and a lot of important businessmen in this country are jews, it's rumoured they are on pretty good terms and well they really are. To see if this is true you just need to see the numbers, in 2012, Venezuela gave through CADIVI, 56 $ billion oil-dollars at cheap prices to businessmen to buy stuff around the world and sell it at a fat profit, since you cannot buy dollars around here freely but only though that government agency CADIVI you have to be friends with these guys to get some money, obviously he will financed by all those business inerests for his campaing and it will be in only 30 days, people will still be very emotional about Chavez's death and so they will vote for Maduro, he's a nice guy and very smart too. I'll vote for him  | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
On March 06 2013 10:03 Nevermind86 wrote: I'm not sure, he recieved treatment in Brazil, I'm guessing they are good enough, but he was not a dictator, learn your facts. No by no means he was a dictator. He ruled every Venezuelan as an equal and always treated others who did not followed his beliefs with upmost respect and consideration. /s. I'd like you to pin-point me the time and dates where he actually got treatment in Brazil and not in Cuba. He was recommended by a doctor to get treatment in MD Anderson in Houston, USA. He also lied about he being "well recovered" when the time came for the 7 October elections, he was at the time still sick from the cancer and had to go through treatment to "fully recover". All in all, I do accept that you're a Chavez supporter, 'cause everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I did read your long post about how Chavez came to power, and you seem to be very influenced by his "speeches" and his attitude towards USA and all. I hope the next few years in Venezuela are peaceful ones, I do hope we have a change of regiment and a change of political views, these "socialists" ruling right now (specially Maduro who has no real preparation AT ALL to be a President, you can quote me and re-quote me on this, he has no education level worthy of a President) aren't the best at all, and are just (IMO) ruining our country. As with the CADIVI issue, well, I guess there are no goverment people making their way through the CADIVI system, and getting lots and lots of USD$ without making a single "folder", or are they? I don't think Rosines and others of his family/government have to ever worry about the 2500$ expense cap on the credit cards. lol gimme a break. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Great politician, horrible leader to his country and people. I hope the people, not someone backed by the military and the remaining goons can raise a better man or woman. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Bourneq
Sweden800 Posts
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
But that honestly that is not much of a problem for Venezuela right now, why would you guys even care to discuss that: Our problems are the rampant crime, corruption, lack of production in all fields even oil and the list goes on. State-owned enterprises being inefficient and prone to corruption? Never! Clearly capitalist pig-dog propaganda. By political reasons and by wrong government economic policies, the government declared some days ago that their policies were bad and had to be completely adjusted, they did it on chained-national television, that is, forcing all private channels to transmit the news, does that happend in a dictatorship though? Not even in so called democratic government does the government apologize like that on TV. I am hoping this is some subtle satire that is beyond my 'capitalism-poisoned' brain. "Whoever signs against Chávez… their name will be there, registered for history, because they’ll have to put down their first name, their last name, their signature, their identity card number, and their fingerprint.” Because publicizing people's names that sign in favor of recalls is not dictatorial at all. But I suppose quoting El Comandante's words must be misleading, somehow. | ||
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Rainling
United States456 Posts
The power of criminals was greatly increased during his rule. For example, the murder rate in Venezuela tripled after he came into power. Additionally, his encouragement of the use of abandoned buildings by poor and homeless people led to the creation of many slums. It sounds like his policies catered to impoverished people and criminals, enabling him to win elections and maintain control of the country. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Such are the perils of taking a government's claims at face value (though this is a lesson that applies everywhere). *citations available upon request! | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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