EPTIt's common practice for a totalitarian regime losing physical ground populated by its own citizens to an invading army. It was done many times in WWII: the Germans set up partisan groups to fight the Allies in Western Europe and formed a citizens militia known as the Volksturmm to fight the Red Army, and the Soviets made extensive use of partisan groups in Eastern Europe and Russia itself after Germany took vast swathes of their land in 1941-1942. For a more recent example, Iraq did a similar thing when Republican Guard and other military members went underground after Baghdad was taken in 2003 to form the core of an insurgency.
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
It's common practice for a totalitarian regime losing physical ground populated by its own citizens to an invading army. It was done many times in WWII: the Germans set up partisan groups to fight the Allies in Western Europe and formed a citizens militia known as the Volksturmm to fight the Red Army, and the Soviets made extensive use of partisan groups in Eastern Europe and Russia itself after Germany took vast swathes of their land in 1941-1942. For a more recent example, Iraq did a similar thing when Republican Guard and other military members went underground after Baghdad was taken in 2003 to form the core of an insurgency. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
So... is that the Oblivion theme? | ||
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
On February 21 2013 04:09 ticklishmusic wrote: New NK Propaganda video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiA1bmWnRQM So... is that the Oblivion theme? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3EOibiVzq4 /facepalm. . . I. . . I don't even. . . Who makes these? Is their propaganda expert a ES fan? XD I dont know what is more sad: that these guys supposedly have nuclear capablity and are this silly, or that they have nuclear capability before Iran. | ||
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FromShouri
United States862 Posts
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Warlock40
601 Posts
It's common practice for a totalitarian regime losing physical ground populated by its own citizens to an invading army. It was done many times in WWII: the Germans set up partisan groups to fight the Allies in Western Europe and formed a citizens militia known as the Volksturmm to fight the Red Army, and the Soviets made extensive use of partisan groups in Eastern Europe and Russia itself after Germany took vast swathes of their land in 1941-1942. For a more recent example, Iraq did a similar thing when Republican Guard and other military members went underground after Baghdad was taken in 2003 to form the core of an insurgency. German plans for resistance never amounted to anything. The Republican Guard crumbled along with the rest of the Ba'athist government structure in 2003 and played little, if any role in the ensuing insurgency, which was dominated by local militias divided along ethnic lines and foreign fighters fighting for Islam, not Iraq, and certainly not for the Ba'athist government. Basically, attempts by failing totalitarian governments to mobilise the population into an effective insurgency have never been successful. Soviet partisans were able to make contributions against the Germans partly because the Soviet government itself was still intact and able to coordinate activities, but mostly because just about everyone hated the Nazis, realised their enemy was fighting a war of extermination, and decided to organise local fighting forces. That's how insurgencies work - local initiative. Governments may supply or coordinate insurgencies, but they can't just manufacture them, no matter how much supposed brainwashing the North Korean population has been subjected to. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On January 24 2013 17:20 ETisME wrote: I actually think it is much less of a threat than a missile that isn't targetted anywhere specifically. that's a lot scarier than "I am targetting you S.Korea and USA bitchzzzzz" unpredictability is one of the worst things you can have in Politics. your post is either too clever for me, or too dumb. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/18umza/i_am_a_recent_defector_from_north_korea_joined_by/ | ||
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iMAniaC
Norway703 Posts
On February 21 2013 04:09 ticklishmusic wrote: New NK Propaganda video. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiA1bmWnRQM So... is that the Oblivion theme? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3EOibiVzq4 Translation. (At least I think it's a proper translation. I don't speak any Korean myself. You have to scroll a little to get to it). It's not very interesting, just the usual propaganda, but sometimes you've got to confirm that stuff isn't interesting before you forget about it. That's why I posted the link  | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
On February 20 2013 14:55 krndandaman wrote: You spoke with the minority. I personally wish for reunification but most of the population don't. Especially the younger generation as they have no personal ties to North Korea unlike the older generation who have relatives separated from them during the divide. Most people I talk to (teens/college students) are fed up with the North Koreans and have little regard for them. Reunification would be great imo, but as time goes on and on, the more likely it becomes. Interesting. I was there on business, so yes, they were all older men I was speaking with. Would that really be considered the minority though? The last time I was there was when that SK ship got sunk (a couple years ago?), so there was very heated tension at that point so it was a common discussion I was having and never found anyone say they wanted anything but peace and reuinification. That said, I didn't talk with any college kids. Sorry, getting off-topic a bit. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
I know there's a 'think-tank' in SK that ponders about these issues, have they come up with a solution? From what I know, the government gives away something like $15-20K to accepted NK refugees, as well as SK citizenship, but that's in the 1000 range per year. A sudden influx of millions will inevitably cause grief for both the SK populace as well as the government. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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ItanoCircus
United States67 Posts
Yet people blissfully continue onward, thinking that NK is somehow going to suffer for ignoring the pleas of the UN. Those that are paying for North Korea's actions are their poor and destitute, the general populace... not the blowhards at the top that seek real harm to all enemies both perceived and real. The UN Security Council's lack of decisive action and consistent floundering on this most pressing issue shows that they are not capable of eliminating the threat that North Korea is posing to regional instability. War should be inevitable and imminent, or else we face ourselves with another buildup like Russia. For years (I believe, factchecker anybody?) former President Truman had the ability to destroy Russia's attempts at expansionism and conquest before they had nuclear weapons. His singular failing to do so lead to the Cold War. Similarly, former President Carter's lack of muscle lead to the United States (and their people) being held hostage. We were seen as impotent. It would be dangerous to continue naively giving North Korea berth in the hope that they won't do something stupid. How many millions of lives would be lost in a nuclear attack on the United States? And yet the UN doesn't want the bloodiness (comparatively bloodlessness) of war.. Nehatnyu is right to worry. | ||
KwarK
United States43677 Posts
On February 21 2013 17:01 ItanoCircus wrote: For years (I believe, factchecker anybody?) former President Truman had the ability to destroy Russia's attempts at expansionism and conquest before they had nuclear weapons. His singular failing to do so lead to the Cold War. You say this like it's a bad thing. His refusal to throw the world into another world war immediately after the defeat of Germany, only this time one fought with nukes in which the goal was the annihilation of a large and populous country that couldn't possibly be run or colonised, led to 50 years of uneasy peace before the ideological rival disintegrated. That worked out really well. "but why not just nuke anyone who can threaten us" is a really, really simplistic way of looking at things. Your sig is really kinda funny given the things wrong with your post. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Oaky
United States95 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 21 2013 17:13 KwarK wrote: You say this like it's a bad thing. His refusal to throw the world into another world war immediately after the defeat of Germany, only this time one fought with nukes in which the goal was the annihilation of a large and populous country that couldn't possibly be run or colonised, led to 50 years of uneasy peace before the ideological rival disintegrated. That worked out really well. "but why not just nuke anyone who can threaten us" is a really, really simplistic way of looking at things. Your sig is really kinda funny given the things wrong with your post. haha nice one. Add in the fact that USSR actually declined to participate in the Korean war and it was all China's fault so I guess they should have nuked China too by that logic. | ||
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
On February 21 2013 05:07 Warlock40 wrote: German plans for resistance never amounted to anything. The Republican Guard crumbled along with the rest of the Ba'athist government structure in 2003 and played little, if any role in the ensuing insurgency, which was dominated by local militias divided along ethnic lines and foreign fighters fighting for Islam, not Iraq, and certainly not for the Ba'athist government. Basically, attempts by failing totalitarian governments to mobilise the population into an effective insurgency have never been successful. Soviet partisans were able to make contributions against the Germans partly because the Soviet government itself was still intact and able to coordinate activities, but mostly because just about everyone hated the Nazis, realised their enemy was fighting a war of extermination, and decided to organise local fighting forces. That's how insurgencies work - local initiative. Governments may supply or coordinate insurgencies, but they can't just manufacture them, no matter how much supposed brainwashing the North Korean population has been subjected to. I never said they would be successful or even effective, in fact I implied the opposite; I just said that they would occur. And yes what I said about Iraq was a gross oversimplification. In regards to Germany however, that is a perfect example of a totalitarian state mobilising all available male (and many females too) of wildly varying ages to fight an invincible enemy, which is precisely what the NK government would do if it was able. The NK army reserve supposedly consists of most of the males in the country. My whole point is that massive civilian casualties will be hard to avoid, if it is possible at all, unless outside pressure causes the government to collapse and lose its control over the populace or somesuch thing. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
On February 21 2013 04:09 ticklishmusic wrote: New NK Propaganda video. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiA1bmWnRQM That's probably not made by the NK government. The last video wasn't either and the one included some COD footage, so seems likey it's the anti-imperialist national democratic front again and hosted by Uriminzokkiri. I can't even find this one on their youtube page though to confirm, could anyone link a source for it please? | ||
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