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On February 20 2013 20:27 Meiya wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 16:07 Warlock40 wrote:Yes, however if we look at recent history for examples of brainwashed populations it can be observed that the government will most likely arm its populace and organise them into partisan units, many of whom will fight. So while what you say is right it will definitely be necessary to kill civilians on some scale in a ground-based invasion of North Korea. What examples are these? It's common practice for a totalitarian regime losing physical ground populated by its own citizens to an invading army. It was done many times in WWII: the Germans set up partisan groups to fight the Allies in Western Europe and formed a citizens militia known as the Volksturmm to fight the Red Army, and the Soviets made extensive use of partisan groups in Eastern Europe and Russia itself after Germany took vast swathes of their land in 1941-1942. For a more recent example, Iraq did a similar thing when Republican Guard and other military members went underground after Baghdad was taken in 2003 to form the core of an insurgency.
So, people are evil when they pick up arms to defend their country? Thanks for insulting the American Revolution, who of all things fought for independence from their own countrymen... not an invading imperial power of a different nationality at that hellbent on total domination and subjugation. Rather, the Brits made the US a developed and advanced nation by the time of its inception, and people in the colonies lived better than their relatives over in Britain. At the very least, an independent US created the world's most innovative and industrious nation, so it's not a bad thing. But dare to tell me that people under invasion defending themselves from subjugation, exploitation, and destruction by a foreign invader is a bad thing.
I could care less about the Nazis because they were f'd up beyond belief, but I can't at all blame Soviets and Iraqis taking up arms to fight foreign powers bent on dominating them. It's not a matter of "brainwashed populations", unless you're calling Aussies brainwashed or rather, cowards, that they would not fight in such a scenario since only "brainwashed" people fight for their country.
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On February 21 2013 22:41 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 17:13 KwarK wrote:On February 21 2013 17:01 ItanoCircus wrote:
For years (I believe, factchecker anybody?) former President Truman had the ability to destroy Russia's attempts at expansionism and conquest before they had nuclear weapons. His singular failing to do so lead to the Cold War. You say this like it's a bad thing. His refusal to throw the world into another world war immediately after the defeat of Germany, only this time one fought with nukes in which the goal was the annihilation of a large and populous country that couldn't possibly be run or colonised, led to 50 years of uneasy peace before the ideological rival disintegrated. That worked out really well. "but why not just nuke anyone who can threaten us" is a really, really simplistic way of looking at things. Your sig is really kinda funny given the things wrong with your post. haha nice one. Add in the fact that USSR actually declined to participate in the Korean war and it was all China's fault so I guess they should have nuked China too by that logic.
MacArthur was all about nuking China. Pretty much all of the Cold War presidents, even Reagan, took flak from elements on the right wing for being too soft on Communism because they were unwilling to pull the trigger on nuclear holocaust.
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On February 22 2013 06:20 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 20:27 Meiya wrote:On February 20 2013 16:07 Warlock40 wrote:Yes, however if we look at recent history for examples of brainwashed populations it can be observed that the government will most likely arm its populace and organise them into partisan units, many of whom will fight. So while what you say is right it will definitely be necessary to kill civilians on some scale in a ground-based invasion of North Korea. What examples are these? It's common practice for a totalitarian regime losing physical ground populated by its own citizens to an invading army. It was done many times in WWII: the Germans set up partisan groups to fight the Allies in Western Europe and formed a citizens militia known as the Volksturmm to fight the Red Army, and the Soviets made extensive use of partisan groups in Eastern Europe and Russia itself after Germany took vast swathes of their land in 1941-1942. For a more recent example, Iraq did a similar thing when Republican Guard and other military members went underground after Baghdad was taken in 2003 to form the core of an insurgency. So, people are evil when they pick up arms to defend their country? Thanks for insulting the American Revolution, who of all things fought for independence from their own countrymen... not an invading imperial power of a different nationality at that hellbent on total domination and subjugation. Rather, the Brits made the US a developed and advanced nation by the time of its inception, and people in the colonies lived better than their relatives over in Britain. At the very least, an independent US created the world's most innovative and industrious nation, so it's not a bad thing. But dare to tell me that people under invasion defending themselves from subjugation, exploitation, and destruction by a foreign invader is a bad thing. I could care less about the Nazis because they were f'd up beyond belief, but I can't at all blame Soviets and Iraqis taking up arms to fight foreign powers bent on dominating them. It's not a matter of "brainwashed populations", unless you're calling Aussies brainwashed or rather, cowards, that they would not fight in such a scenario since only "brainwashed" people fight for their country.
Pretty sure you completely missed the point. He never once said the practice was evil/bad or exclusive to brain-washed populations. Only that, in North Korea with its brain-washed populace, it's likely to happen as it has in the past.
I also have no clue how his post insults the American revolution.
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@JudicatorHammurabi: Yeah, basically what Scarecrow said. We could argue about the American revolution all day but I don't entirely disagree with your thoughts on it, it has nothing to do with anything I said and it's not the topic.
No idea how you drew that I think Australians are cowards out of my posts though, that is very creative of you.
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They are threatening to do more than just "nuking US". But i feel like it's just the same old, same old. Being a loud mouth.
The North's unnamed foreign ministry spokesman also said it would be entitled to take military action as of March 11 when U.S.-South Korea military drills move into a full-scale phase as it had declared the truce invalid.
North Korea was conducting a series of military drills and getting ready for state-wide war practice of an unusual scale, South Korea's defense ministry said earlier on Thursday.
"It hasn't been frequent that the North conducted military exercise at the state level," South Korea's defense ministry spokesman, Kim Min-seok, said. "The North is currently conducting various drills on land, at sea and aerially.
"We are watching the North's activities and stepping up readiness under the assumption that these drills can lead to provocation at any time."
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In other news, Kim Jong-Un wants Obama to call him. Dennis Rodham suggested that they could talk about baseball.
“He [Kim] wants Obama to do one thing - call him,” Rodman said. “He said, ‘If you can, Dennis - I don’t want (to) do war. I don’t want to do war.’ He said that to me.”
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North Korea may not have the best economy in the world, but they're surely exporting an impressive amount of mixed signals!
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Look, if you can't understand by now that whenever NK issues a threat they're really just pleading for something, then you must suffer from some kind of selective amnesia. The history is just too obvious on this particular thing.
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Please don't nuke Vancouver. There are a lot of things here that I like. Especially me. Also we're Canadian. Also please don't nuke anybody.
Obama and Kim need a play date. Just talk on the phone like teenagers. Seriously. Call Kim back or he's going to nuke you. Kim Jong-Un is the ultimate crazy ex.
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the one thing i raise my eyebrow at is they have had more successful nuke tests recently.. its erm a growing thing..
I dont see why NK just dont join up with the taliban and have a big old i hate the USA bitch fest and get their anger out 
I still think its yawn at the moment however its becoming more recent.. and they have had successful tests.. one day they will flip
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On March 07 2013 23:55 Grettin wrote:They are threatening to do more than just "nuking US". But i feel like it's just the same old, same old. Being a loud mouth. Show nested quote +The North's unnamed foreign ministry spokesman also said it would be entitled to take military action as of March 11 when U.S.-South Korea military drills move into a full-scale phase as it had declared the truce invalid.
North Korea was conducting a series of military drills and getting ready for state-wide war practice of an unusual scale, South Korea's defense ministry said earlier on Thursday.
"It hasn't been frequent that the North conducted military exercise at the state level," South Korea's defense ministry spokesman, Kim Min-seok, said. "The North is currently conducting various drills on land, at sea and aerially.
"We are watching the North's activities and stepping up readiness under the assumption that these drills can lead to provocation at any time."
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This is IMO the most important event for us to watch in regards to the mounting tension in the region. Large scale military drills can be a big deal and it would not be overly hard for NK to start something under the guise that the US/SK forces provoked them or fired the first shot. Seems like if there will be war ( not saying its likely or anything) then these drills provide the perfect flashpoint.
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On March 08 2013 02:55 Cornstyle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:55 Grettin wrote:They are threatening to do more than just "nuking US". But i feel like it's just the same old, same old. Being a loud mouth. The North's unnamed foreign ministry spokesman also said it would be entitled to take military action as of March 11 when U.S.-South Korea military drills move into a full-scale phase as it had declared the truce invalid.
North Korea was conducting a series of military drills and getting ready for state-wide war practice of an unusual scale, South Korea's defense ministry said earlier on Thursday.
"It hasn't been frequent that the North conducted military exercise at the state level," South Korea's defense ministry spokesman, Kim Min-seok, said. "The North is currently conducting various drills on land, at sea and aerially.
"We are watching the North's activities and stepping up readiness under the assumption that these drills can lead to provocation at any time."
Source This is IMO the most important event for us to watch in regards to the mounting tension in the region. Large scale military drills can be a big deal and it would not be overly hard for NK to start something under the guise that the US/SK forces provoked them or fired the first shot. Seems like if there will be war ( not saying its likely or anything) then these drills provide the perfect flashpoint.
March 11th?? Isn't that when HotS launches?? Da fuck NK??? I swear to god if they blow up the world before I get to play that campaign......
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Mods working their butts off on this thread.
Long story short, we can't really respond with military violence
+ Show Spoiler +The big issue with dealing with all of North Korea's threats is that if they do in fact have nuclear warheads, they could launch one and have it hit Seoul in about 5 minutes. That's 14 million people. And they don't need a rocket that can go to space, they just need one strong enough to shoot a hundred miles or so. You can't evacuate a city Seoul's size that quickly, and for all the hype we have for our anti-nuclear defenses, none of them have been field tested. I don't think anyone wants to find out how well they do or don't work by using the population of South Korea as the guinea pig.
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On March 07 2013 23:59 arChieSC2 wrote:
good luck NK!
The mods have a very bizarre definition of what is anti-American (or anti-western or whatever) enough to dole out a warning.
Edit 2: the revenge:
So Kim Jong-Il died not terribly long ago. And now North Korea is having another Nuclear launch.
Proven evidence of... Ghosts. *ba-dum tish*
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I still can´t understand why the North Koreans stands behind ther Government, they are poor as Hell and Kim Jong-un is playing with Nukes....
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On March 08 2013 03:09 erathedark wrote:
I still can´t understand why the North Koreans stands behind ther Government, they are poor as Hell and Kim Jong-un is playing with Nukes....
Well what should they do then? Riot? Try to coup? Government has the whole army in their control supposedly, so that wouldn't be a great choice without help from outside world. People are scared of work/prison camps also. I doubt there is people who are willing to risk it without hopes of success.
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On March 08 2013 03:13 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:09 erathedark wrote:
I still can´t understand why the North Koreans stands behind ther Government, they are poor as Hell and Kim Jong-un is playing with Nukes.... Well what should they do then? Riot? Try to coup? Government has the whole army in their control supposedly, so that wouldn't be a great choice without help from outside world. People are scared of work/prison camps also. I doubt there is people who are willing to risk it without hope of success.
Yeah... When Jong-Il died there were reports of people being sent to labor camps for a few weeks for not mourning "enough"...
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North Korea scare-news is kinda lame :/
Maybe in 50 years we'll all be friends.
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On March 08 2013 03:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:55 Cornstyle wrote:On March 07 2013 23:55 Grettin wrote:They are threatening to do more than just "nuking US". But i feel like it's just the same old, same old. Being a loud mouth. The North's unnamed foreign ministry spokesman also said it would be entitled to take military action as of March 11 when U.S.-South Korea military drills move into a full-scale phase as it had declared the truce invalid.
North Korea was conducting a series of military drills and getting ready for state-wide war practice of an unusual scale, South Korea's defense ministry said earlier on Thursday.
"It hasn't been frequent that the North conducted military exercise at the state level," South Korea's defense ministry spokesman, Kim Min-seok, said. "The North is currently conducting various drills on land, at sea and aerially.
"We are watching the North's activities and stepping up readiness under the assumption that these drills can lead to provocation at any time."
Source This is IMO the most important event for us to watch in regards to the mounting tension in the region. Large scale military drills can be a big deal and it would not be overly hard for NK to start something under the guise that the US/SK forces provoked them or fired the first shot. Seems like if there will be war ( not saying its likely or anything) then these drills provide the perfect flashpoint. March 11th?? Isn't that when HotS launches?? Da fuck NK??? I swear to god if they blow up the world before I get to play that campaign......
HotS is the 12th, so even worse lol.
On March 08 2013 03:13 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:09 erathedark wrote:
I still can´t understand why the North Koreans stands behind ther Government, they are poor as Hell and Kim Jong-un is playing with Nukes.... Well what should they do then? Riot? Try to coup? Government has the whole army in their control supposedly, so that wouldn't be a great choice without help from outside world. People are scared of work/prison camps also. I doubt there is people who are willing to risk it without hopes of success.
I've heard that a lot of NK citizens actually don't know how bad their position is relative to the rest of the world because they're so isolated.
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