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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
November 29 2017 19:43 GMT
#3361
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Apparently, South America is the only place out of reach of Kim's last rockety.

I feel so safe :-)

Source (PT-BR only)
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 29 2017 19:53 GMT
#3362
Screw that, time to move to Antarctica.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
November 29 2017 20:08 GMT
#3363
How is it that several months ago we were all certain that they were still years away from being able to reach the US, and now im reading a report today that nope, theyve got it now.

Am I misinformed somewhere here or what? How the fuck were we that far off in our assessment?
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 29 2017 20:11 GMT
#3364
No one believed me when I said rocket science is old technology and it isn't actually that hard once you have gained capability.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 29 2017 20:11 GMT
#3365
On November 30 2017 05:08 Aveng3r wrote:
How is it that several months ago we were all certain that they were still years away from being able to reach the US, and now im reading a report today that nope, theyve got it now.

Am I misinformed somewhere here or what? How the fuck were we that far off in our assessment?

The key factor was this report. The North Koreans got their hands on some really good ICBM tech and made a much better rocket than they could have made on their own.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
November 29 2017 20:22 GMT
#3366
On November 30 2017 05:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
No one believed me when I said rocket science is old technology and it isn't actually that hard once you have gained capability.

Well who were you telling and why didn't you argue your case more persuasively
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
November 29 2017 22:40 GMT
#3367
On November 30 2017 05:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
No one believed me when I said rocket science is old technology and it isn't actually that hard once you have gained capability.


Are you even a physicist?
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11505 Posts
November 30 2017 09:34 GMT
#3368
On November 30 2017 07:40 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2017 05:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
No one believed me when I said rocket science is old technology and it isn't actually that hard once you have gained capability.


Are you even a physicist?


As if being a physicist means that you have any idea of how rockets work. I study physics myself, and i have no clue about the actual problems in building rockets. The basic theory is clear (Burn stuff to use chemical heating to fastly throw stuff out of one end to make the thing go forward), but what the actual problems in building rockets are, i have got no clue. And i am pretty sure most physicists (Except those that actually build rockets) couldn't tell you either.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
November 30 2017 09:52 GMT
#3369
Anyone else's press leading with the British press' take that this is the end of North's provoking missile tests?

A report i read suggest this time Kim Jong Un did nothing that "bad" when testing this missile. He didn't fly it over the Japan or close to it to cause them to panic, he didn't fire it near Guam which US already said if they did they would retaliate. Then to top it off the state news said "this has now completed our testing of the ICBM" etc meaning that there will not be anymore tests because they do not need to test it if they have "completed" the testing etc.

Or is that only a British thing?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 30 2017 13:21 GMT
#3370
On November 30 2017 18:52 Pandemona wrote:
Anyone else's press leading with the British press' take that this is the end of North's provoking missile tests?

No, very much not. I have no idea why anyone would think that they would stop considering these are almost certainly done for attention specifically.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
November 30 2017 13:26 GMT
#3371
On November 30 2017 22:21 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2017 18:52 Pandemona wrote:
Anyone else's press leading with the British press' take that this is the end of North's provoking missile tests?

No, very much not. I have no idea why anyone would think that they would stop considering these are almost certainly done for attention specifically.


I don't think so.

They've been improving their technology over the last months, and as ICBM's, especially submarine mounted ones increase NK's regime survival by several fold.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-30 13:44:38
November 30 2017 13:36 GMT
#3372
On November 30 2017 07:40 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2017 05:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
No one believed me when I said rocket science is old technology and it isn't actually that hard once you have gained capability.


Are you even a physicist?

I'm an aeronautical engineer. I've dabbled a bit in astronautical engineering. I was telling TL, and everyone ignored me. I don't see a need to argue a case. It's not like you are in any diplomatic position of influence and if you are you will be well informed anyhow.

Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
November 30 2017 13:58 GMT
#3373
On November 30 2017 18:52 Pandemona wrote:
Anyone else's press leading with the British press' take that this is the end of North's provoking missile tests?

A report i read suggest this time Kim Jong Un did nothing that "bad" when testing this missile. He didn't fly it over the Japan or close to it to cause them to panic, he didn't fire it near Guam which US already said if they did they would retaliate. Then to top it off the state news said "this has now completed our testing of the ICBM" etc meaning that there will not be anymore tests because they do not need to test it if they have "completed" the testing etc.

Or is that only a British thing?


I think 'completed' could be interpreted as a veiled threat - ie testing is over, they have perfected their missiles.

Where this is true or not is another matter of course!
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
November 30 2017 15:00 GMT
#3374
On November 30 2017 22:36 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2017 07:40 sc-darkness wrote:
On November 30 2017 05:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
No one believed me when I said rocket science is old technology and it isn't actually that hard once you have gained capability.


Are you even a physicist?

I'm an aeronautical engineer. I've dabbled a bit in astronautical engineering. I was telling TL, and everyone ignored me. I don't see a need to argue a case. It's not like you are in any diplomatic position of influence and if you are you will be well informed anyhow.


This is such a garbage post. "I was right the whole time, you were wrong, but no need to talk about it any further, if it mattered you would have already known all along"

This is a forum where we debate and share information. Try explaining what your arguments were or why you were right given the new information that is now available.
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-30 15:15:37
November 30 2017 15:14 GMT
#3375
As far as I remember his posts are generally pretty bad at getting to the root of any specific issues of aerospace technology, focusing on a simplified view and using a credential drop to justify it. That "rockets are easy" is a laughably incorrect explanation at any rate; NK clearly made some pretty impressive machines with their new ICBMs.

They still have work to do, like showing that they can actually launch a payload on that rocket or properly detonate a warhead, so it's unlikely that "tests are done" will hold. They hold provocative tests so people see how good they are, so I very much doubt this is the end of them.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-30 17:34:40
November 30 2017 17:33 GMT
#3376
On December 01 2017 00:00 Aveng3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2017 22:36 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On November 30 2017 07:40 sc-darkness wrote:
On November 30 2017 05:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
No one believed me when I said rocket science is old technology and it isn't actually that hard once you have gained capability.


Are you even a physicist?

I'm an aeronautical engineer. I've dabbled a bit in astronautical engineering. I was telling TL, and everyone ignored me. I don't see a need to argue a case. It's not like you are in any diplomatic position of influence and if you are you will be well informed anyhow.


This is such a garbage post. "I was right the whole time, you were wrong, but no need to talk about it any further, if it mattered you would have already known all along"

This is a forum where we debate and share information. Try explaining what your arguments were or why you were right given the new information that is now available.
I don't understand. Why are you acting so angry for? You asked a question and I answered it. Information was given. I never said you was wrong about anything, and why would I talk about anything in particular to nobody if no one asked for further details? What debate is there? There is no argument. You should just calm down and indeed follow the exact same ethos that you beleive this forum is for, instead of making random angry remarks.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
November 30 2017 18:08 GMT
#3377
On December 01 2017 02:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2017 00:00 Aveng3r wrote:
On November 30 2017 22:36 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On November 30 2017 07:40 sc-darkness wrote:
On November 30 2017 05:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
No one believed me when I said rocket science is old technology and it isn't actually that hard once you have gained capability.


Are you even a physicist?

I'm an aeronautical engineer. I've dabbled a bit in astronautical engineering. I was telling TL, and everyone ignored me. I don't see a need to argue a case. It's not like you are in any diplomatic position of influence and if you are you will be well informed anyhow.


This is such a garbage post. "I was right the whole time, you were wrong, but no need to talk about it any further, if it mattered you would have already known all along"

This is a forum where we debate and share information. Try explaining what your arguments were or why you were right given the new information that is now available.
I don't understand. Why are you acting so angry for? You asked a question and I answered it. Information was given. I never said you was wrong about anything, and why would I talk about anything in particular to nobody if no one asked for further details? What debate is there? There is no argument. You should just calm down and indeed follow the exact same ethos that you beleive this forum is for, instead of making random angry remarks.

Its clear that nothing will come of responding to you so I guess I am gonna drop this one.
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-30 20:05:07
November 30 2017 19:56 GMT
#3378
I answered in good faith, but looking at it, it is clear that you was only interested in belligerent confrontation against me for whatever reason. I suggest you should go and look in the mirror.
saocyn
Profile Joined July 2011
United States937 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-30 20:57:20
November 30 2017 20:49 GMT
#3379
i'm not into politics, warfare, or rocket science, but what would be the response if a test missile indeed hit US territory with little damage? (well, not little but, lives were lost etc)?

it just seems like no other nation really cares outside china and the US. i'm more or less surprised japan allowed 2 missiles to be fired over it's region as if that wasn't a threat for them at all. s

and why does it matter if anyone has authority on the subject matter if they have very little influence to persuade the whitehouse / trump administration? we're all more or less speculating the capability with very limited information. but with progressive advancements, it looks like an inevitability they will hit us (At the very minimum, try to). not that we won't attempt to stop it.

My 2nd question is, how reliable are we capable of stopping a nuke incoming? i'm more or less afraid of the fall out even when we stop it. it's not like shooting a nuke down won't have an impact on all countries due to detriments of the ocean, but if it's done on land, wouldn't that just cause the nuke to go off at simply a higher altitude?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
November 30 2017 21:06 GMT
#3380
On December 01 2017 05:49 saocyn wrote:
i'm not into politics, warfare, or rocket science, but what would be the response if a test missile indeed hit US territory with little damage? (well, not little but, lives were lost etc)?

it just seems like no other nation really cares outside china and the US. i'm more or less surprised japan allowed 2 missiles to be fired over it's region as if that wasn't a threat for them at all. s

and why does it matter if anyone has authority on the subject matter if they have very little influence to persuade the whitehouse / trump administration? we're all more or less speculating the capability with very limited information. but with progressive advancements, it looks like an inevitability they will hit us.

Background: The US is still at war with DPRK from the Korean War, this is just a period of reduced hostilities. However, the US and the PRC are currently at peace. The PRC has a mutual defence treaty with DPRK which stipulates that if DPRK is attacked then the PRC will defend them, but doesn't cover DPRK starting shit. Japan doesn't have a real army because it's not allowed to have one by the US because the last time it had one things got out of hand and now people (PRC, ROK, ROC, DPRK) will get anxious if it makes a new one. Japan relies on the US for defence, although it has the capacity to become a regional great power very quickly if it wants to.

Japan doesn't have the ability to launch a unilateral strike on DPRK and disable it. It could develop it, but that'd make everyone super fucking nervous. So right now Japan does nothing because it relies on the US to do something and the US doesn't want to. Also the US tells Japan not to go nuts because that'd piss off everyone else. But if DPRK keeps provoking Japan then that may eventually change.

The US does have the ability to fuck up DPRK's shit. However, DPRK has the ability to fuck up ROKs shit and PRC has the ability to fuck up everyone's shit. So the US isn't going to strike first because that'd be MAD. But the more DPRK fucks with everyone else the more uneasy PRC gets with being involved in this shit so it's entirely possible that the PRC may choose to non renew the mutual defence treaty next time around.

DPRK knows that they rely upon the PRC nuclear aegis and that it can be withdrawn which means they actually need their own to be truly safe.

If the US were to be meaningfully attacked by DPRK then there would probably be an immediate and unilateral obliteration in return, combined with an urgent call to China letting them know that they're not the target and the US feels this is a retaliatory strike, and therefore not covered by the mutual defence pact. At that point China would almost certainly decide that the world not ending is a good thing and we wouldn't go all out nuclear exchange between the two.

The problem comes with if the US were to be non meaningfully attacked by DPRK. At that point you have to deal with proportionate responses, the DPRK threat to ROK, and whether PRC view the treaty as being voided. It's a tough one because you can't really escalate militarily against DPRK because of the whole nukes things. You either obliterate them or you leave them alone, fucking with them a little bit is a recipe for escalation when they counterfuck you back. That'd probably just be a continuation of the current policy of increasing sanctions.
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