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United States44361 Posts
On August 10 2017 09:39 a_flayer wrote:
How did the last political bet work out for you KwarK?
Personally, I am more concerned about the military actions the US might undertake than the military actions of NK. I don't know if it's going to be this very month, but you hear really scary shit coming out of the US regarding "we have to stop them", while NK is all about retaliation against any potential aggression.
Don't be so results orientated.
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On August 10 2017 10:02 a_flayer wrote:
NK isn't about to invade SK, though. Small events like that are fairly common with two nations hostile to one another and pretty much harmless on the larger scale. It's like Israel bombing shit in Syria - nothing significant comes of it except more posturing (the loss of innocent lives is of course horrifying). The things that I'm worried the US might be inclined to do would be on a completely different level. They've shown in the recent past that they have no problem invading a country for no reason and through that ruining a generation of people and creating untold instability in a region.
Yes things are harmless until they cause a war, and then they aren't. This duke guy got killed and it seemed like it might not be a big deal but then it was. And it is August after all.
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The current behavior of Trump is very scary.
If he escalates then Seoul is in trouble. Even if NK doesn't have nukes.
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On August 10 2017 18:39 KungKras wrote:
The current behavior of Trump is very scary.
If he escalates then Seoul is in trouble. Even if NK doesn't have nukes.
Yeah, it does have nukes.
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Nukes don't really matter, though! They level Seoul even without nukes, so...
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It matters, in that destruction of Seoul will take place at a far slower pace, enabling evacuation or counterattacks. Whereas even a small nuclear weapon of the type North Korea has is the equivalent of a few million artillery shells hitting at once. Trump statements are really kind of scary right now if taken literally. Maybe this thread should be renamed Trump says/does suprising and alarming thing about North Korea.
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What do you think Trump will do? He's unpopular, unhinged, in the middle of an investigation, and has shown a predeliction for dropping the biggest bomb he can find to divert news. But NK knows that, so they wouldn't do something that would most likely endanger the lives of the NK elites.
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On August 10 2017 21:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So what happens if NK actually fires 4 (dud?) missiles near Guam as they plan to? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40883372Does something like that 100% of the time result in US retaliation?
If the missile is crossing the prefectures mentioned in the article, i'd be shocked if the missiles weren't shot down/intercepted.
Hell, even if a missile would fly closer to the main land (further than they have right now), i'd think US or JDF forces would intercept it.
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On August 10 2017 21:21 Grettin wrote:If the missile is crossing the prefectures mentioned in the article, i'd be shocked if the missiles weren't shot down/intercepted. Hell, even if a missile would fly closer to the main land (further than they have right now), i'd think US or JDF forces would intercept it.
Oh, the highly successful missile interception technology will bring them down! Good luck!
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Zurich15366 Posts
On August 10 2017 21:27 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 21:21 Grettin wrote:On August 10 2017 21:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So what happens if NK actually fires 4 (dud?) missiles near Guam as they plan to? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40883372Does something like that 100% of the time result in US retaliation? If the missile is crossing the prefectures mentioned in the article, i'd be shocked if the missiles weren't shot down/intercepted. Hell, even if a missile would fly closer to the main land (further than they have right now), i'd think US or JDF forces would intercept it. Oh, the highly successful missile interception technology will bring them down! Good luck!
To be fair, it did sometimes work with known launch times and trajectories, and NK seems to be nice enough to provide those.
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On August 10 2017 21:27 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 21:21 Grettin wrote:On August 10 2017 21:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So what happens if NK actually fires 4 (dud?) missiles near Guam as they plan to? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40883372Does something like that 100% of the time result in US retaliation? If the missile is crossing the prefectures mentioned in the article, i'd be shocked if the missiles weren't shot down/intercepted. Hell, even if a missile would fly closer to the main land (further than they have right now), i'd think US or JDF forces would intercept it. Oh, the highly successful missile interception technology will bring them down! Good luck!
I'm by no means an expert of any missile technology what so ever, but since the tone of your message seems to indicate that you are, would you care to elaborate a bit more? Would it be impossible to intercept an missile during the mentioned ~18minute fly towards guam with the land, sea and air resources US and the allies have over there?
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Seoul will be leveled in just the first 30 seconds should North Korea decide to attack, even without nukes, especially when chemical/biologicals come into play.
Sure, let us tank the first hit so we finally have an excuse to go in and take them out. And by us, I meant SK/Japan/Guam (I'm safe in the states after all...right?) >.>
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On August 10 2017 21:30 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 21:27 mahrgell wrote:On August 10 2017 21:21 Grettin wrote:On August 10 2017 21:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So what happens if NK actually fires 4 (dud?) missiles near Guam as they plan to? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40883372Does something like that 100% of the time result in US retaliation? If the missile is crossing the prefectures mentioned in the article, i'd be shocked if the missiles weren't shot down/intercepted. Hell, even if a missile would fly closer to the main land (further than they have right now), i'd think US or JDF forces would intercept it. Oh, the highly successful missile interception technology will bring them down! Good luck! I'm by no means an expert of any missile technology what so ever, but since the tone of your message seems to indicate that you are, would you care to elaborate a bit more? Would it be impossible to intercept an missile during the mentioned ~18minute fly towards guam with the land, sea and air resources US and the allies have over there?
Shooting fast moving things in the air with other fast moving things is very very hard. Even our best systems have far from a perfect success rate. And that is against 1 missile at a time. I don’t know what happens when we are shooting at 12 of them.
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None of us are authorised to receive military secrets.But most analysts agree that missile interception is highly unreliable. Most tests fail. Is it impossible? No. Is it probable? No. Especially since Guam is relatively close, there is always the human element failing to detect and identify the missile before the launch window has already gone.
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I don't understand why many people here seem to be happy if we let NK do what it wants. For once Trump said it good - NK should be obliterated. It's a stupid dictatorship and the fact that places like this still exists in the world should make us feel ashamed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_concentration_camp
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United States44361 Posts
On August 10 2017 22:39 SoSexy wrote:I don't understand why many people here seem to be happy if we let NK do what it wants. For once Trump said it good - NK should be obliterated. It's a stupid dictatorship and the fact that places like this still exists in the world should make us feel ashamed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_concentration_camp
Okay so there is this country called China who has a mutual defence treaty with NK. And there is this concept called MAD. And basically that's why NK gets to do what it wants.
Did you really think that everyone but you and Trump was pro-concentration camps and that's why NK exists?
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On August 10 2017 22:39 SoSexy wrote:I don't understand why many people here seem to be happy if we let NK do what it wants. For once Trump said it good - NK should be obliterated. It's a stupid dictatorship and the fact that places like this still exists in the world should make us feel ashamed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_concentration_camp
This isn’t Civilization. Nations are not “obliterated”. There will be survivors, refugees, economic crisis, and increased regional conflict. Plus South Korea will suffer. You know, the nation that started this whole pro Starcraft thing that created this site? Their capital would be leveled. But other than that, its great.
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On August 10 2017 22:41 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 22:39 SoSexy wrote:I don't understand why many people here seem to be happy if we let NK do what it wants. For once Trump said it good - NK should be obliterated. It's a stupid dictatorship and the fact that places like this still exists in the world should make us feel ashamed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_concentration_camp Okay so there is this country called China who has a mutual defence treaty with NK. And there is this concept called MAD. And basically that's why NK gets to do what it wants. Did you really think that everyone but you and Trump was pro-concentration camps and that's why NK exists?
No, but the hypocrisy is staggering since other less fortunate countries have been invaded for far less (see the blatant Anthrax lie). So that argument doesn't really cut it.
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On August 10 2017 22:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 22:39 SoSexy wrote:I don't understand why many people here seem to be happy if we let NK do what it wants. For once Trump said it good - NK should be obliterated. It's a stupid dictatorship and the fact that places like this still exists in the world should make us feel ashamed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_concentration_camp This isn’t Civilization. Nations are not “obliterated”. There will be survivors, refugees, economic crisis, and increased regional conflict. Plus South Korea will suffer. You know, the nation that started this whole pro Starcraft thing that created this site? Their capital would be leveled. But other than that, its great.
You are just postponing the issue - sooner or later, actions will need to be taken. Do you agree with this or do you think that magically one day NK will change idea?
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