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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
April 13 2017 02:54 GMT
#2981
Every day is quite stressful for me, I'm always thinking of going back to canada with my wife (who is korean) where we could be at ease but she says she can't abandon her family in case a war does break out, and I totally understand her, but at the same time my own family is worried sick... this fucking sucks, I really hope everything gets sorted out peacefully.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5296 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-13 05:54:16
April 13 2017 05:44 GMT
#2982
On April 13 2017 10:56 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 10:23 xDaunt wrote:
I'm just surprised that China has suddenly become so bellicose against North Korea.

China has always been against nuclear proliferation. They'd be perfectly happy with North Korea if they had military bases there and North Korean security was guaranteed by Chinese nukes in the event of a war. But they're not at all happy with the current situation. It's not about NK, they'd willingly defend NK with their own nuclear deterrent.
you and your theoretical theories.
what happened is that China refused NK coal at US request; to offset a potential upset mr.Kim, Trump sent a US battle-group in east china sea.
there are millions of tones of coal sitting in either NK ports or Chinese ports(waiting to be shipped back to NK) because Trump's friends needed to unload some coal.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
April 13 2017 06:00 GMT
#2983
On April 13 2017 11:54 Essbee wrote:
Every day is quite stressful for me, I'm always thinking of going back to canada with my wife (who is korean) where we could be at ease but she says she can't abandon her family in case a war does break out, and I totally understand her, but at the same time my own family is worried sick... this fucking sucks, I really hope everything gets sorted out peacefully.


Live every day like you will be fine the next, one day you will be gone anyways.

I hope you find comfort, in all honesty I think it might sound like things could get worse than they really could possibly get.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 13 2017 07:19 GMT
#2984
On April 13 2017 11:54 Essbee wrote:
Every day is quite stressful for me, I'm always thinking of going back to canada with my wife (who is korean) where we could be at ease but she says she can't abandon her family in case a war does break out, and I totally understand her, but at the same time my own family is worried sick... this fucking sucks, I really hope everything gets sorted out peacefully.

Nobody i know seems at all concerned, just say this happens every year.

For whatever that's worth.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
April 13 2017 08:58 GMT
#2985
Are you still living in SK, Jinro?
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-13 10:19:50
April 13 2017 10:19 GMT
#2986
On April 13 2017 15:00 youngjiddle wrote:
Live every day like you will be fine the next, one day you will be gone anyways.

I hope you find comfort, in all honesty I think it might sound like things could get worse than they really could possibly get.

On April 13 2017 16:19 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Nobody i know seems at all concerned, just say this happens every year.

For whatever that's worth.


@youngjiddle: Thanks, yeah I don't fear death too much, but I do feel bad for being far from my family and kind of putting them in a potentially tough emotional situation. But I do live every day normally... for now.

@Jinro: True, no one seems very concerned and this stuff happens every year but I do feel like this time it could be a bit different, in a bad way, but I do hope I am wrong!! Please Trump, don't be stupid!
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3819 Posts
April 13 2017 11:00 GMT
#2987
nobody is really worried here

the travel issues with China are a much more pressing concern
: o )
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43219 Posts
April 13 2017 14:32 GMT
#2988
On April 13 2017 14:44 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 10:56 KwarK wrote:
On April 13 2017 10:23 xDaunt wrote:
I'm just surprised that China has suddenly become so bellicose against North Korea.

China has always been against nuclear proliferation. They'd be perfectly happy with North Korea if they had military bases there and North Korean security was guaranteed by Chinese nukes in the event of a war. But they're not at all happy with the current situation. It's not about NK, they'd willingly defend NK with their own nuclear deterrent.
you and your theoretical theories.
what happened is that China refused NK coal at US request; to offset a potential upset mr.Kim, Trump sent a US battle-group in east china sea.
there are millions of tones of coal sitting in either NK ports or Chinese ports(waiting to be shipped back to NK) because Trump's friends needed to unload some coal.

The theories represent a working understanding of geopolitics. China want the same deal in NK as the US have in SK. The Korean proxy wants a nuclear deterrent because it's afraid of the big power (China for SK, US for NK), the nuclear powers don't want tiny nuclear states doing nuclear things, the logical conclusion is you just put a base there and say "if you attack them then you attack my base and I've got nukes so don't attack them". SK has gone for that deal, NK is insisting upon their own nuclear weapon and that is intolerable for any of the world powers. Nuclear non proliferation has been basically the only thing all world powers have agreed on in the last 50 years.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 13 2017 14:33 GMT
#2989
On April 13 2017 17:58 DickMcFanny wrote:
Are you still living in SK, Jinro?

Yup, 7 years now.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1878 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-13 15:04:00
April 13 2017 15:03 GMT
#2990
I find it kind of amazing that South Koreans (especially in Seoul) are so blase about whatever is happening in NK.

I guess when you grow up with a gun pointed at your head your whole life, there's not much they can do to shock you anymore.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 13 2017 17:10 GMT
#2991
Soooo it seems like a lot of fake news was spread around yesterday about NK in an attempt for what? I don't know.
Life?
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
April 13 2017 17:12 GMT
#2992
On April 14 2017 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Soooo it seems like a lot of fake news was spread around yesterday about NK in an attempt for what? I don't know.


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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-13 21:59:34
April 13 2017 21:57 GMT
#2993
So the big thing wasn't a nuclear test but the opening of a new street with skyscrapers and shops by Glorious Leader



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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 13 2017 22:54 GMT
#2994
HONG KONG • China is not obliged to help defend North Korea as the latter's development of nuclear weapons has breached a mutual defence pact, Chinese diplomatic and military observers told the South China Morning Post (SCMP).

China and North Korea signed a mutual aid and cooperation treaty in 1961 as they sought to mount a united front against Western powers. Renewed in 1981 and 2001, the treaty is valid until 2021.

The Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty stipulates that one country must immediately take military and all other necessary measures to oppose any country or coalition of countries that might attack either nation. But the treaty also says that both nations should safeguard peace and security.

Observers told the SCMP that North Korea's development of nuclear weapons in violation of the United Nations treaty on non-proliferation could amount to a breach of the pact. This means that Beijing is not obliged to help defend North Korea from a military attack, they told the paper.

"It is hard to say how China would assist North Korea militarily in case of war, since North Korea is developing nuclear weapons, an act that might have already breached the treaty between the two nations," said retired Chinese naval colonel Li Jie.


In the case of Pyongyang initiating an attack, China would not be obliged to get involved, said Professor Cai Jian of Fudan University.

Mr Antony Wong Dong, a Macau- based military analyst, said that when the treaty was last renewed, China warned North Korea that it must take responsibility for its own behaviour.

"There won't be a second Korean war," Mr Wong told the SCMP.

The Global Times, which is published by the Communist Party's People's Daily, said in an editorial that the best option for North Korea and its leader Kim Jong Un was for the country to give up its nuclear programme, and China would protect North Korea if it did, reported Reuters.

"As soon as North Korea complies with China's declared advice and suspends nuclear activities... China will actively work to protect the security of a denuclearised North Korean nation and regime," said the Global Times.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-13 23:53:30
April 13 2017 23:42 GMT
#2995
On April 14 2017 06:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
So the big thing wasn't a nuclear test but the opening of a new street with skyscrapers and shops by Glorious Leader

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/JeremyKohCNA/status/852390962445733888

https://twitter.com/JeremyKohCNA/status/852392897789837312


if the nuclear or missile test is happening, it's going to happen during or after Kim Il-sung's birthday. (Which is Saturday)
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
April 13 2017 23:50 GMT
#2996
On April 14 2017 06:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
So the big thing wasn't a nuclear test but the opening of a new street with skyscrapers and shops by Glorious Leader

https://twitter.com/JeremyKohCNA/status/852390962445733888

https://twitter.com/JeremyKohCNA/status/852392897789837312


International media being trolled! They really should have done this 12 days ago, it would have been brilliant
Bora Pain minha porra!
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
April 14 2017 02:16 GMT
#2997
WSJ suggesting that Trump and Xi may have started hashing out some kind of agreement where China reigns in NK in exchange for a favorable trade deal.

They're also speculating that Trump will not label China a currency manipulator, which would have opened the possibility of retaliatory measures by the U.S. Trump had promised to do this during the campaign.

www.wsj.com

Also Grettin is right, if anything big happens it will be on the 15th, the birthday of the glorious eternal president Kim Il-sung.
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5296 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-14 11:37:21
April 14 2017 11:36 GMT
#2998
On April 13 2017 23:32 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 14:44 xM(Z wrote:
On April 13 2017 10:56 KwarK wrote:
On April 13 2017 10:23 xDaunt wrote:
I'm just surprised that China has suddenly become so bellicose against North Korea.

China has always been against nuclear proliferation. They'd be perfectly happy with North Korea if they had military bases there and North Korean security was guaranteed by Chinese nukes in the event of a war. But they're not at all happy with the current situation. It's not about NK, they'd willingly defend NK with their own nuclear deterrent.
you and your theoretical theories.
what happened is that China refused NK coal at US request; to offset a potential upset mr.Kim, Trump sent a US battle-group in east china sea.
there are millions of tones of coal sitting in either NK ports or Chinese ports(waiting to be shipped back to NK) because Trump's friends needed to unload some coal.

The theories represent a working understanding of geopolitics. China want the same deal in NK as the US have in SK. The Korean proxy wants a nuclear deterrent because it's afraid of the big power (China for SK, US for NK), the nuclear powers don't want tiny nuclear states doing nuclear things, the logical conclusion is you just put a base there and say "if you attack them then you attack my base and I've got nukes so don't attack them". SK has gone for that deal, NK is insisting upon their own nuclear weapon and that is intolerable for any of the world powers. Nuclear non proliferation has been basically the only thing all world powers have agreed on in the last 50 years.
your working premises are wrong:
- China and US are not enemies(or, are no longer enemies(however you prefer));
- all major (nuclear)powers know exactly when and if NK will get nuclear weapons; there will never be a surprise here.
there are some missing links here obviously but the angle you're seeing all of this under, is incredibly narrow and/or outdated.

also, your arguments almost always come from a moral/ethical perspective then led to believe that if some kind of trespassing <of value> occurs, action to prevent/forbid it will happen. i believe that to be ignorant as to how the world works; there is always an economical reason behind any action taken past, present or future.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 14 2017 12:34 GMT
#2999
China asking all sides to calm down but fear a conflict is close.

Mr Wang said: "Lately, tensions have risen between on the one hand the United States and the Republic of Korea (South Korea) and on the other, the DPRK (North Korea) and one has the feeling that a conflict could break out at any moment.

"I think that all relevant parties should be highly vigilant with regards to this situation.

"We call on all parties to refrain from provoking and threatening each other, whether in words or actions, and not let the situation get to an irreversible and unmanageable stage," Mr Wang said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39600426
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Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-14 13:54:54
April 14 2017 13:48 GMT
#3000
Feels like the tone most Chinese media took when talking about NK is getting worse over the years. Even media under direct state control like CCTV tended to report things like panic and worries among people living close to Yalu River whenever NK did their nuke test, given that the test facility is so close to boarder.
Funny how the more nationalism inclined media, SCMP and Globe Times for examples, are also those that is loudly proclaiming China should not be responsible for NK anymore.
Interesting time we are living in today indeed.
On April 14 2017 21:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
China asking all sides to calm down but fear a conflict is close.

Show nested quote +
Mr Wang said: "Lately, tensions have risen between on the one hand the United States and the Republic of Korea (South Korea) and on the other, the DPRK (North Korea) and one has the feeling that a conflict could break out at any moment.

"I think that all relevant parties should be highly vigilant with regards to this situation.

"We call on all parties to refrain from provoking and threatening each other, whether in words or actions, and not let the situation get to an irreversible and unmanageable stage," Mr Wang said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39600426

Yeah I listened to the original talk found here ... the tone was indeed very heavy, and feels at least to me the warning is more directed against DPRK's possible nuclear test.
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