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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
A war against NK would probably entail a war against China as well, which makes me far from certain that China isn't pulling the strings in NK. If China seeks to solidify it's position as the world's mightiest nation, stomping the US of A into the ground would be a good first step. Given China's history of being assraped by white guys for centuries, I wouldn't be surprised by significant animosity. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On February 12 2013 23:01 kafkaesque wrote: This makes me really uneasy. A war against NK would probably entail a war against China as well, which makes me far from certain that China isn't pulling the strings in NK. If China seeks to solidify it's position as the world's mightiest nation, stomping the US of A into the ground would be a good first step. Given China's history of being assraped by white guys for centuries, I wouldn't be surprised by significant animosity. You underestimate how uneasy China is with NK as well. NK keeps using Chinas support as leverage in being belligerent. Also China has warned NK not to take provocative actions, and have repeatedly been rebuffed. Also China does not want all the refuges from NK a war would bring, and they would lose a buffer zone between them and the USA. Hell. According to wikileaks China indicated that it wouldn't be against a united Korea under the control of south Korea. As long as US troops do not move from there current location below the "no mans land" border between North and South Korea. Not to mention that China probably does benefit quite a lot more from business with SK than being buddy-buddy with an old communist state with a seriously defunct economy. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On February 12 2013 23:16 Hypemeup wrote: You underestimate how uneasy China is with NK as well. NK keeps using Chinas support as leverage in being belligerent. Also China has warned NK not to take provocative actions, and have repeatedly been rebuffed. Also China does not want all the refuges from NK a war would bring, and they would lose a buffer zone between them and the USA. Hell. According to wikileaks China indicated that it wouldn't be against a united Korea under the control of south Korea. As long as US troops do not move from there current location below the "no mans land" border between North and South Korea. Not to mention that China probably does benefit quite a lot more from business with SK than being buddy-buddy with an old communist state. And not to mention how dependent China is on USA. So destroying USA would harm them just as much. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
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Arcadia92
135 Posts
On February 12 2013 23:01 kafkaesque wrote: This makes me really uneasy. A war against NK would probably entail a war against China as well, which makes me far from certain that China isn't pulling the strings in NK. If China seeks to solidify it's position as the world's mightiest nation, stomping the US of A into the ground would be a good first step. Given China's history of being assraped by white guys for centuries, I wouldn't be surprised by significant animosity. You're incredibly misinformed then. China doesn't even want a war with the US right now. It still has weaker military forces and fighting such a costly war will completely go against what they've been trying to achieve for the past few decades - building up a stable economy. If a war does break out both sides will probably end up with heavy losses and no one will really win anything. Also, their animosity towards us is NOTHING compared to how they feel about Japan. If they want a war (which they don't) that's where they'll be heading first. N Korea did this on their own accord, mainly because of internal politics and to gain leverage. If they were confident that China would always be their ally and "friend" do you think they need to build their own nukes? | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On February 12 2013 23:35 ranshaked wrote: This pissed me off so much. I think it's time to go in there and get rid of this dictatorship. Typically I'm all for a hands off approach, but this government is danger to the world. Maybe there can be a joint operation to take over. The problem with nuking or invading North Korea is that they won't go down without a fight. Seoul will be overrun soon after Pyongyang gets nuked. Their conventional army might be old but is insanely big. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On February 12 2013 23:43 Zandar wrote: The problem with nuking or invading North Korea is that they won't go down without a fight. Seoul will be overrun soon after Pyongyang gets nuked. Their conventional army might be old but is insanely big. Nuking North Korea is out of the question (for now..) i would say. Radiation would spread fairly far away, to China, which would cause trouble immensely, South Korea or even further. As said already, Ground attack is also very risky because of the army North has. It's estimated that and probably proven that their artillery would destroy Seoul pretty damn fast. No to mention the fighting after that, which would cause a lot of destruction and casualties. What could be the answer is to try and overthrow the dictatorship. As far as i know, CIA is (and has been) pretty familiar and active with that in other countries, so who knows if they have something planned. :p | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On February 12 2013 23:35 ranshaked wrote: This pissed me off so much. I think it's time to go in there and get rid of this dictatorship. Typically I'm all for a hands off approach, but this government is danger to the world. Maybe there can be a joint operation to take over. Any hostile action towards NK would lead to Seoul being pounded into dust very quickly. And Seoul really is the heart of SK, it would set them back an insane amount. Almost all of their huge international businesses(LG, Samsung, Hyundai) are seated there. A war is currently not an option. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
I don't want to act like I know anything about political science or that I'm a fortune teller. But openly defying the 3 largest nations on this Earth, 2 of them being supposed allies? Only the mightiest of bureaucrats in China and Russia could stop an all out first strike on NK at this point (providing they refuse talks). | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On February 12 2013 23:53 Grettin wrote: Nuking North Korea is out of the question (for now..) i would say. Radiation would spread fairly far away, to China, which would cause trouble immensely, South Korea or even further. As said already, Ground attack is also very risky because of the army North has. It's estimated that and probably proven that their artillery would destroy Seoul pretty damn fast. No to mention the fighting after that, which would cause a lot of destruction and casualties. What could be the answer is to try and overthrow the dictatorship. As far as i know, CIA is (and has been) pretty familiar and active with that in other countries, so who knows if they have something planned. :p Thats only a viable idea unless the nation youre fighting have nuclear weapons. A civil war where you have no idea where the weapons end up can be even more dangerous than a stable but crazy regime controlling them. I think a fast and co-ordinated bombing would be the most efficent. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On February 13 2013 00:23 a176 wrote: Its an interesting dilemma as China and Russia have invested so much into NK, not to mention diplomatic and other interests. NK has openly defied sanctions written in by both China and Russia, and openly admits to wanting to attack the US. I don't want to act like I know anything about political science or that I'm a fortune teller. But openly defying the 3 largest nations on this Earth, 2 of them being supposed allies? Only the mightiest of bureaucrats in China and Russia could stop an all out first strike on NK at this point (providing they refuse talks). First strike with nukes is not going to happen. There might be military intervention but even that is doubtful at this point. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6659 Posts
On February 13 2013 00:23 a176 wrote: Its an interesting dilemma as China and Russia have invested so much into NK, not to mention diplomatic and other interests. NK has openly defied sanctions written in by both China and Russia, and openly admits to wanting to attack the US. I don't want to act like I know anything about political science or that I'm a fortune teller. But openly defying the 3 largest nations on this Earth, 2 of them being supposed allies? Only the mightiest of bureaucrats in China and Russia could stop an all out first strike on NK at this point (providing they refuse talks). I don't see the US striking first at NK, too risky for SK, NK has enough artilary aimed and ready to flatten Seoul in a heartbeat. War doesn't help China in the least, they can't possible profit from this war and it would bring US troops closer to them something they do not want at all. Out of the three the only one I can see being okay with a war is Russia, I don't think they really care for SK or NK and a war with NK could potentially hurt and will most definitely spread the US troops out even more not that I see them taking advantage of it or anything just kind of an upside for them. I also know jack shit about Politics and political science just my 2 cents. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On February 13 2013 00:56 ticklishmusic wrote: Iit's kind of interesting to look at some similarities between Israel and NK. Both are small nations with powerful militaries in regions where someone doesn't like them. They both seem willingly to strike out at targets, and are supported by powerful countries with interests in the region. ummm.... wow...... I dont think i have ever read a more flawed and shallow comparison in my life.... | ||
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Simberto
Germany11552 Posts
On February 13 2013 01:27 Goozen wrote: ummm.... wow...... I dont think i have ever read a more flawed and shallow comparison in my life.... It is kind of interesting to look at some similarities between the USA and Nazi Germany. Both are big, strongly industrialised nations who are obsessed with national security and who are strongly disliked in large parts of the world. They both seem willing to wage aggressive wars on smaller nations, and tend to attract other nations with similar ideologies into military alliances. | ||
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deltatwist
Korea (South)8 Posts
as an interesting aside, after any threat or action by NK occurs the exchange rate between the dollar (USD) and the won (KRW) exhibits volatility. see for yourself finance ticker symbol "usdkrw". after todays events, the dollar hasnt really moved. i would have expected the dollar to spike upon hearing about today's news. in other words, its probably not a game changer. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On February 12 2013 23:20 Grettin wrote: And not to mention how dependent China is on USA. So destroying USA would harm them just as much. That is just plain wrong. USA is more dependant on China then the other way around. With USA destroyed China could claim all the oil in the world. Lack of oil is what is holding back China. | ||
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MezmorizedHD
8 Posts
my english is not too good but i think this explain wath you guys are discuising | ||
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