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evilfatsh1t
Australia8918 Posts
i think its about time the rest of the world starts taking action, rather than sitting behind their fking desks sending out warnings | ||
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quaZa
Germany58 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On February 12 2013 18:03 Baarn wrote: What needs to stop? North Korea wanting aid so they threaten nuke tests until we send them lobster and alcohol? This is one of the most persistent misconceptions about North Korean military threats. The US, SK, and the West in general have never responded to any of those threads by shipping them any aid. Aid was only given to NK in periods of political calming and communication. And the giving of aid was usually abruptly ended and new sanctions imposed on NK the moment they initiated another military provocation. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8918 Posts
On February 12 2013 18:48 quaZa wrote: Do u really want to risk WW3? if Amierca decides to invade North Korea then China and probably Russia will help North Korea...And trust me this kind of war will be fight 2 maybe 3 weeks commercially after that someone sends out Nukes. i dont understand why people seem to think that china and russia will definitely side with nkorea if there was to be a ww3 a long time ago they had alliances, but nowadays given china's relationship with the US, they cant afford to side with nkorea as they will lose their biggest trade partner and their economy will suffer a lot. i think china would face a huge dilemma now; instead of just rushing to nkorea's side, they may sit there as neutrals for a long time or even just side with the US. not too sure about russia though, but if china has 2nd thoughts russia will definitely hesitate as well. | ||
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Arcadia92
135 Posts
On February 12 2013 19:00 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont understand why people seem to think that china and russia will definitely side with nkorea if there was to be a ww3 a long time ago they had alliances, but nowadays given china's relationship with the US, they cant afford to side with nkorea as they will lose their biggest trade partner and their economy will suffer a lot. i think china would face a huge dilemma now; instead of just rushing to nkorea's side, they may sit there as neutrals for a long time or even just side with the US. not too sure about russia though, but if china has 2nd thoughts russia will definitely hesitate as well. Yes. China and Russia definitely do not want to go to war with the US right now, especially if its over something as insignificant as N Korea. They have everything to lose and very little to gain. On February 12 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote: Such a joke. This really needs to stop. I can't see this going on to much longer, they will just have to keep pushing until it will get South Korea and America even angrier. I just fear for all the lives in South Korea which could be killed in this war, it will be a very big one that is for sure. What about all the lives in North Korea? Their civilian population is completely innocent here, let's not forget that. | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
In this region of the world a lot of countries have either nuclear weapons or nuclear ambitions. China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Israel all have access to it. Countries in Europe/Turkey have US shared nuclear weapons. It does not surprise me that countries like Iran and N. Korea want to have these weapons at their disposal because it gives them a much stronger foothold in the region. There are also some indications that S. Korea could continue their nuclear ambitions in 2014 when pacts with the US end. Mainly because it is quite clear the Obama administration won't risk placing nukes in S. Korea, so S. Korea will likely start developing their own. Also, S. Korea has hidden nuclear research and chemical stockpiles in the past, so who knows what they are already doing. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On February 12 2013 19:40 Martijn wrote: I'm just as worried about North Korea as I am worried about someone deciding "well, let's make an example out of them" and flattening the place at some point. With this much provocation from Iran and North Korea, you have to worry that eventually they'll get a real reaction.. I don't think the western countries have the stomach for the type of war that would be needed to deal with NK. Not without an attack on us or a false flag. | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
On February 12 2013 19:40 Martijn wrote: I'm just as worried about North Korea as I am worried about someone deciding "well, let's make an example out of them" and flattening the place at some point. With this much provocation from Iran and North Korea, you have to worry that eventually they'll get a real reaction.. The provocation is hardly one-sided though. Israel is actively assassinating scientists in Iran, training cells in the region to perform "terrorist acts" and attacking neighboring countries when they see an opportunity. Not that I am pro/anti anything, but the good guy/bad guy act the west is trying to pull off is hardly believable. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On February 12 2013 19:47 heliusx wrote: I don't think the western countries have the stomach for the type of war that would be needed to deal with NK. Not without an attack on us or a false flag. Maybe, maybe not, it can take as little as one hardliner in the right position. Western countries aren't even the only ones that might act.. On February 12 2013 19:48 Domus wrote: The provocation is hardly one-sided though. Israel is actively assassinating scientists in Iran, training cells in the region to perform "terrorist acts" and attacking neighboring countries when they see an opportunity. Not that I am pro/anti anything, but the good guy/bad guy act the west is trying to pull off is hardly believable. It was Isreal that has always said they "wouldn't be the first" to bring nuclear weapons into the middle east right? If Iran completes them, I wouldn't be surprised if Isreal is a suspiciously close 2nd to bring them into the middle east and potentially the first to put them to use heh. | ||
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NoxiousNoodles
United Kingdom61 Posts
On February 12 2013 19:57 Martijn wrote: It was Isreal that has always said they "wouldn't be the first" to bring nuclear weapons into the middle east right? If Iran completes them, I wouldn't be surprised if Isreal is a suspiciously close 2nd to bring them into the middle east and potentially the first to put them to use heh. It is widely believed that Israel already have nuclear weapons (probably more than the UK does in fact) but of course they haven't gone public about them | ||
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Zypher_
Sweden27 Posts
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Orek
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On February 12 2013 20:32 Orek wrote: snip.. N.K just does it so openly compared to others. ..snip They're doing a bit more than "challenging the framework". | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
On February 12 2013 19:57 Martijn wrote: Maybe, maybe not, it can take as little as one hardliner in the right position. Western countries aren't even the only ones that might act.. It was Isreal that has always said they "wouldn't be the first" to bring nuclear weapons into the middle east right? If Iran completes them, I wouldn't be surprised if Isreal is a suspiciously close 2nd to bring them into the middle east and potentially the first to put them to use heh. Israel already has nuclear warheads, it is a public secret, but I don't think Israel will allow Iran to ever complete a nuclear warhead. They will definitely attack and are attacking before that point is reached. Currently they are just slowing down Iran by assassinating nuclear scientists, cyber attacks, and tactical strikes. They have been doing it for decades in both Iraq and Iran. I think it takes about another 10 years for Iran to even come close to completing a nuclear weapon. The current war in Syria also helps Israel a lot. So we will not see a nuclear war between Israel en Iran. It is more likely that Pakistan and India would do it than that Iran ever will. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On February 12 2013 18:55 zatic wrote: This is one of the most persistent misconceptions about North Korean military threats. The US, SK, and the West in general have never responded to any of those threads by shipping them any aid. Aid was only given to NK in periods of political calming and communication. And the giving of aid was usually abruptly ended and new sanctions imposed on NK the moment they initiated another military provocation. Don't worry guy in a month or two we'll be informed in the press that those multi party talks have resumed and they'll be getting their aid again. The north koreans have to make sure we see they have the serious pants on this time and they mean it. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On February 12 2013 22:06 Baarn wrote: Don't worry guy in a month or two we'll be informed in the press that those multi party talks have resumed and they'll be getting their aid again. The north koreans have to make sure we see they have the serious pants on this time and they mean it. Well for now NK describes this nuclear test as "only the first response to US hostilities" and threatens a second and third if they don't change their "hostile politics". Certainly doesn't sound like it'll die down soon. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
The test was designed "to defend the country's security and sovereignty in the face of the ferocious hostile act of the U.S.," the North's state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said, referring to new U.S.-led sanctions on Pyongyang after the recent launch of a long-range rocket. "This nuclear test is our first measure, which displayed our maximum restraint," KCNA said. "If the U.S. continues with their hostility and complicates the situation, it would be inevitable to continuously conduct a stronger second or third measure." | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8918 Posts
so they are developing weapons because the US is threatening them for developing weapons...... | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On February 12 2013 22:13 Martijn wrote: Well for now NK describes this nuclear test as "only the first response to US hostilities" and threatens a second and third if they don't change their "hostile politics". Certainly doesn't sound like it'll die down soon. They can "describe it" however they wish but they make it sound like they only have enough fuel for 2 more tests. Those can easily be conducted in a short period of time so they can show us how cool and awesome they are by doing this. If you want to hear something positive the latest test had a bigger bang than the previous one. 10 kilotons isn't bad for a nation under sanctions. | ||
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