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OOT is a fine game, but I never thought of it as much more than other Nintendo Games. And in terms of pure fun It's not even close to one of my favorite Nintendo games. I understand that there's a lot of nostalgia there for some but a lot of it to me seems like hive-mind hype. Not that people don't love the game, but everyone in a society loves it so everyone blows it up and holds it to a mythical standard. Where I lived in my childhood (Sweden/Cyprus), no one held it to an especially high regard, everyone was more multi-player oriented. People thought it was good, liked the music, but that's where it stopped. People weren't buying Nintendo magazines and getting obsessed about it.
On the other hand Warcraft 3 was a culture defining game for me. Anyone who spent a lot of time in LAN cafes during it's peak probably knows what I mean by this. It was so much more than just 'a' game. And that's not even counting how exciting the game was on a competitive level (Which I don't care if people think it's an inferior RTS, I still had more fun watching and talking about it), or the quality of the storyline and the characters, which are more memorable than any other RTS. It is a game which popularized and is responsible for multiple genres.
Greykarn said a couple of weeks ago the most played game at Inferno Online (biggest LAN cafe in Stockholm) is still Warcraft 3.
For me, it's incomparable. Warcraft 3 vs Half-Life might be a fair fight, if all of Half-Life's spawns are included.
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Had to go with WC3 because of the amount of time I spent playing customs in that game, my playtime in Zelda does not compare.
Btw my all time favorite Halo 2 didn't even make the fps bracket......wtf
Also FFVII wasn't in the RPG bracket. Other than that, well done.
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On this forum I would not be surprised to see WC3 take it.
With that said, WC2 was one of my favourite games EVER. WC3 on the other hand, while fun, I couldn't really get into. It had several RPG elements that made it a less than ideal RTS in terms of RNG of items and such. I did have a lot of fun playing through the story, and thought it was all-round an excellent game, but I never really wanted to play it on any sort of competitive level. Customs were really fun. This is of course all personal opinion. The game itself I would rate as an excellent game - and definitely top 10 in my RTS list, if not edging out top 5.
Zelda on the other hand I thoroughly enjoyed. I see a lot of people throwing around the word "over-rated' here, and that isn't really fair to the game. Zelda had some exceptional game play. Some of the best seen on the N64, and probably made the best use of the graphical 3D engines that the N64 had to offer. The story, while only "alright", pushed along the game quite well. The game was vast enough and allowed for a lot of exploring, and the unique aspects of the way time travel and the ocarina were handled were awesome. The game was absolutely excellent. There is nothing over-rated about it, it's a fantastic game.
I voted Zelda out of the two. Zelda is on my top 5 of all time, though there were a few other games on the list that I enjoyed more. 
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On December 29 2012 06:46 Flench wrote:
Had to go with WC3 because of the amount of time I spent playing customs in that game, my playtime in Zelda does not compare.
Btw my all time favorite Halo 2 didn't even make the fps bracket......wtf
Also FFVII wasn't in the RPG bracket. Other than that, well done.
Yes, actually it was. Look again.
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war3, only because its graphic style allowed for the popularization of MOBA's (cuz dota actually originated in bw :/)
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On December 29 2012 09:42 WikidSik wrote:
war3, only because its graphic style allowed for the popularization of MOBA's (cuz dota actually originated in bw :/) Well it didn't. A similar game type was made in BW. That hardly makes it Dota.
The entire genre owes most of the mechanics to Warcraft or things that were invented within that engine.
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OoT is overrated as fuck what the hell.
SSBM is like starcraft - people will always play it
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On this forum I would not be surprised to see WC3 take it.
I would, since TL abandoned WC3 as they could not get warm with it. Maybe newer blizzard titles put masterpieces of the past in the right light? :p
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How can Zelda even still be in it? It's a fucking single player game. Are we /r/gaming? Let's bake a fucking Super Mario cake.
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WC3/WC3:TFT, it was my best RTS so far by a long shot. I am competent at sc2, but it was quite magical to do very well on Azeroth for so long. Fun times indeed, WC3 was a no brainer vote, although Zelda Ocarina of Time was cool on N64 back when I was a youngster, "heh heh". 25 yrs. seems like a grandfather in the gaming world.
Edit: I didn't follow this thing from the beginning but where the heck is Starcraft? Lmao. Hilarious on TL no less.
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On December 29 2012 07:03 Satire wrote:
On this forum I would not be surprised to see WC3 take it.
With that said, WC2 was one of my favourite games EVER. WC3 on the other hand, while fun, I couldn't really get into. It had several RPG elements that made it a less than ideal RTS in terms of RNG of items and such. I did have a lot of fun playing through the story, and thought it was all-round an excellent game, but I never really wanted to play it on any sort of competitive level. Customs were really fun. This is of course all personal opinion. The game itself I would rate as an excellent game - and definitely top 10 in my RTS list, if not edging out top 5.
I agree War2 was a better game than War3.I voted Zelda, it will be an abomination if War3 won best game on TL.... cmon people!
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I really am rooting for OOT. Coincidentally I am already playing through the game as well.
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On December 29 2012 10:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 07:03 Satire wrote:
On this forum I would not be surprised to see WC3 take it.
With that said, WC2 was one of my favourite games EVER. WC3 on the other hand, while fun, I couldn't really get into. It had several RPG elements that made it a less than ideal RTS in terms of RNG of items and such. I did have a lot of fun playing through the story, and thought it was all-round an excellent game, but I never really wanted to play it on any sort of competitive level. Customs were really fun. This is of course all personal opinion. The game itself I would rate as an excellent game - and definitely top 10 in my RTS list, if not edging out top 5. I agree War2 was a better game than War3.I voted Zelda, it will be an abomination if War3 won best game on TL.... cmon people!
Well if you say that Warcraft 2 was better than Warcraft 3 then i just say that A Link to the Past was better then Ocarina of Time. Subjectivity is a bitch.
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While I love both WC3 and OOT they are no where near my favorite games. Chrono Trigger, Starcraft, Half-Life, Castlevania sotn These should be fighting in the finals.
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On December 29 2012 06:29 teapoted wrote:
OOT is a fine game, but I never thought of it as much more than other Nintendo Games. And in terms of pure fun It's not even close to one of my favorite Nintendo games. I understand that there's a lot of nostalgia there for some but a lot of it to me seems like hive-mind hype. Not that people don't love the game, but everyone in a society loves it so everyone blows it up and holds it to a mythical standard. Where I lived in my childhood (Sweden/Cyprus), no one held it to an especially high regard, everyone was more multi-player oriented. People thought it was good, liked the music, but that's where it stopped. People weren't buying Nintendo magazines and getting obsessed about it.
On the other hand Warcraft 3 was a culture defining game for me. Anyone who spent a lot of time in LAN cafes during it's peak probably knows what I mean by this. It was so much more than just 'a' game. And that's not even counting how exciting the game was on a competitive level (Which I don't care if people think it's an inferior RTS, I still had more fun watching and talking about it), or the quality of the storyline and the characters, which are more memorable than any other RTS. It is a game which popularized and is responsible for multiple genres.
Greykarn said a couple of weeks ago the most played game at Inferno Online (biggest LAN cafe in Stockholm) is still Warcraft 3.
For me, it's incomparable. Warcraft 3 vs Half-Life might be a fair fight, if all of Half-Life's spawns are included.
I could argue for either side, but I'll go ahead and argue for OoT since nobody is putting forth a good argument.
OoT is one of the deepest games ever made. It was from an era where developers actually put time and love into their games. It has quite possibly one of the most iconic soundtracks, a classic but still masterfully told story, and characters that are recognizable but still relateable (unlike, say, Mario). Even though you say War3 has popularized multiple genres, I don't even think that's true. DotA needs to be left out of this discussion as that is its own game. In the RTS world, War3 is not regarded as highly as Starcraft, while OoT is still the benchmark for which every adventure game must aspire to. And as far as the single-player campaign, it was just okay. All of my friends have played it and I don't think anyone would rate it above OoT in quality or immersion.
Now, another thing, OoT also happens to be the most competitive speedrunning game in the world. Whether you respect this sport is up to you, but to me it isn't really any different than competing in any other game or race. OoT happened to be not only one of the best games of all time, but also one of the most glitchy games of all time. Glitches that normal people would never, ever find, but speedrunners have been working at for years. People run it in multiple categories, and there are tournaments (races) for the game every day. It's still being optimized. So, in light of OoT being the crown jewel of multiple categories, I think it beats War3 hands down unless you start including custom maps.
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On December 29 2012 10:16 GhostKorean wrote:
OoT is overrated as fuck what the hell.
SSBM is like starcraft - people will always play it
People will always play OOT as well. It's one of the games that I'm still going to go back and play 30 years from now because it's a game that defined a time period in my life.
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On December 29 2012 10:57 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 06:29 teapoted wrote:
OOT is a fine game, but I never thought of it as much more than other Nintendo Games. And in terms of pure fun It's not even close to one of my favorite Nintendo games. I understand that there's a lot of nostalgia there for some but a lot of it to me seems like hive-mind hype. Not that people don't love the game, but everyone in a society loves it so everyone blows it up and holds it to a mythical standard. Where I lived in my childhood (Sweden/Cyprus), no one held it to an especially high regard, everyone was more multi-player oriented. People thought it was good, liked the music, but that's where it stopped. People weren't buying Nintendo magazines and getting obsessed about it.
On the other hand Warcraft 3 was a culture defining game for me. Anyone who spent a lot of time in LAN cafes during it's peak probably knows what I mean by this. It was so much more than just 'a' game. And that's not even counting how exciting the game was on a competitive level (Which I don't care if people think it's an inferior RTS, I still had more fun watching and talking about it), or the quality of the storyline and the characters, which are more memorable than any other RTS. It is a game which popularized and is responsible for multiple genres.
Greykarn said a couple of weeks ago the most played game at Inferno Online (biggest LAN cafe in Stockholm) is still Warcraft 3.
For me, it's incomparable. Warcraft 3 vs Half-Life might be a fair fight, if all of Half-Life's spawns are included. Even though you say War3 has popularized multiple genres, I don't even think that's true. DotA needs to be left out of this discussion as that is its own game.
Why? DotA has many many many things directly from WC3. Items, the way you get XP, the attack animations, the general style (fantasy-ish), day/night, trees, high ground, many abilities are 1:1 copies from WC3 (like Bladestorm, Windwalk, Hex etc. etc). It's actually ridiculous that it was legally possible for DotA 2 to even be made by another company.
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On December 29 2012 10:50 TigerKarl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 10:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On December 29 2012 07:03 Satire wrote:
On this forum I would not be surprised to see WC3 take it.
With that said, WC2 was one of my favourite games EVER. WC3 on the other hand, while fun, I couldn't really get into. It had several RPG elements that made it a less than ideal RTS in terms of RNG of items and such. I did have a lot of fun playing through the story, and thought it was all-round an excellent game, but I never really wanted to play it on any sort of competitive level. Customs were really fun. This is of course all personal opinion. The game itself I would rate as an excellent game - and definitely top 10 in my RTS list, if not edging out top 5. I agree War2 was a better game than War3.I voted Zelda, it will be an abomination if War3 won best game on TL.... cmon people! Well if you say that Warcraft 2 was better than Warcraft 3 then i just say that A Link to the Past was better then Ocarina of Time. Subjectivity is a bitch.
Good for you, I've never played any zelda game i just don't want War3 to win.You have a nice day now.
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