EPTAs much as I would love that people play nice, that is never the reality. Just like laws can deter, they do not prevent people from breaking them.
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
As much as I would love that people play nice, that is never the reality. Just like laws can deter, they do not prevent people from breaking them. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 15 2015 00:17 KwarK wrote: I for one say they didn't offer us what we wanted. I am slightly curious what the game plan here is. As I understand it if a country does something you don't like but it's not realistic to go in there and force them to do what you want then you use sanctions to make them uncomfortable until they decide to negotiate with you. The US decided against direct military intervention, which was a very good choice given how that's played out in recent years, and went with sanctions. Iran then suffered under the sanctions and came to the negotiating table and offered us what we wanted. Isn't this literally the plan working? Like isn't calling off the sanctions in exchange for them doing what we wanted the entire point of creating the sanctions in the first place? Now Congressional figures will be on the record supporting or opposing this deal. I can only imagine business interests will be pushing in favor of it. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
What a fucking joke. It's not like bottled water is the biggest consumer scam of our day and age already, but they try to pass this off as some sort of favor to soda companies? People who actually go to national parks know they should be drinking water, not soda, and generally will bring their own bottles in if they know they can't buy bottled water. Bottled water should be fucking illegal in most parts of the developed world. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12073 Posts
On July 15 2015 00:42 ZasZ. wrote: What a fucking joke. It's not like bottled water is the biggest consumer scam of our day and age already, but they try to pass this off as some sort of favor to soda companies? People who actually go to national parks know they should be drinking water, not soda, and generally will bring their own bottles in if they know they can't buy bottled water. Bottled water should be fucking illegal in most parts of the developed world. I make my own bottled water. Then i can drink it. Here is the recipe, but don't spread it everywhere, it is kind of a family secret. Ingredients: 1 (One) bottle 0.5-2l water Take the bottle, and carefully place it below the faucet. Make sure the faucet points directly at the neck of the bottle. (A trick i have learned from experience: Just hold the neck of the bottle directly onto the faucet, this makes aiming the stream of water a lot easier) Turn on the faucet. Depending on your preferences, you can use either cold or warm water. I personally prefer to use the coldest water my faucet can produce, i find it to be more refreshing. Let the water run for a few seconds. Now comes the trick: Turn of the faucet before the bottle is full. If you neglect this, water will spray everywhere and you will look like a fool who peed himself. Avoid this at all cost. Now, close the bottle. You have successfully produce bottled water. Protip: After you drank all the water out of the bottle, you can reuse it simply by applying the same procedure as described above one more time, producing a whole new bottle of bottled water! But be careful, after a few goes of this you may need to clean the bottle because it might become disgusting. There you have it, an old family recipe that i learned from my grandmother. I hope you enjoy it. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 15 2015 00:42 ZasZ. wrote: What a fucking joke. It's not like bottled water is the biggest consumer scam of our day and age already, but they try to pass this off as some sort of favor to soda companies? People who actually go to national parks know they should be drinking water, not soda, and generally will bring their own bottles in if they know they can't buy bottled water. Bottled water should be fucking illegal in most parts of the developed world. We should slap a stupidity tax (we'll call it a sustainability tax) on bottled water. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
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KwarK
United States44428 Posts
On July 15 2015 00:52 Simberto wrote: I make my own bottled water. Then i can drink it. Here is the recipe, but don't spread it everywhere, it is kind of a family secret. Ingredients: 1 (One) bottle 0.5-2l water Take the bottle, and carefully place it below the faucet. Make sure the faucet points directly at the neck of the bottle. (A trick i have learned from experience: Just hold the neck of the bottle directly onto the faucet, this makes aiming the stream of water a lot easier) Turn on the faucet. Depending on your preferences, you can use either cold or warm water. I personally prefer to use the coldest water my faucet can produce, i find it to be more refreshing. Let the water run for a few seconds. Now comes the trick: Turn of the faucet before the bottle is full. If you neglect this, water will spray everywhere and you will look like a fool who peed himself. Avoid this at all cost. Now, close the bottle. You have successfully produce bottled water. Protip: After you drank all the water out of the bottle, you can reuse it simply by applying the same procedure as described above one more time, producing a whole new bottle of bottled water! But be careful, after a few goes of this you may need to clean the bottle because it might become disgusting. There you have it, an old family recipe that i learned from my grandmother. I hope you enjoy it. Instructions unclear, ended up drinking coke. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46669 Posts
On July 15 2015 00:52 Simberto wrote: I make my own bottled water. Then i can drink it. Here is the recipe, but don't spread it everywhere, it is kind of a family secret. Ingredients: 1 (One) bottle 0.5-2l water Take the bottle, and carefully place it below the faucet. Make sure the faucet points directly at the neck of the bottle. (A trick i have learned from experience: Just hold the neck of the bottle directly onto the faucet, this makes aiming the stream of water a lot easier) Turn on the faucet. Depending on your preferences, you can use either cold or warm water. I personally prefer to use the coldest water my faucet can produce, i find it to be more refreshing. Let the water run for a few seconds. Now comes the trick: Turn of the faucet before the bottle is full. If you neglect this, water will spray everywhere and you will look like a fool who peed himself. Avoid this at all cost. Now, close the bottle. You have successfully produce bottled water. Protip: After you drank all the water out of the bottle, you can reuse it simply by applying the same procedure as described above one more time, producing a whole new bottle of bottled water! But be careful, after a few goes of this you may need to clean the bottle because it might become disgusting. There you have it, an old family recipe that i learned from my grandmother. I hope you enjoy it. Today, you win the internet  On July 15 2015 00:52 ticklishmusic wrote: We should slap a stupidity tax (we'll call it a sustainability tax) on bottled water. Reminds me of this hahaha: | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On July 15 2015 00:56 Reaper9 wrote: Bottled water only produces odious amounts of plastic and waste byproduct from producing said plastic. I agree, get rid of it all. That would be a simpler approach but there are valid uses for bottled water. There are parts of the US, like New Orleans, with truly atrocious public water supplies. If I lived there and didn't have easy access to non-tap water, I would be pissed. The tap water there tastes like literal ass, which makes sense because it has passed through roughly forty asses on its way down the Mississippi. In a similar vein, bottled water is great for places that do not have great treated water or reliable infrastructure, such as overseas and especially for the military. But the marketing scam that resulted in ordinary Americans thinking their tap water was somehow toxic or inferior to bottled water is a crying shame. Not only is it an environmental disaster, but it undermines the whole point of municipal water providers. Adding insult to injury is that now big water is throwing its weight around trying to keep the National Park Service from making a positive change to our National Parks. The worst aspects of our political system are on display here. | ||
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KwarK
United States44428 Posts
On July 15 2015 01:11 ZasZ. wrote: That would be a simpler approach but there are valid uses for bottled water. There are parts of the US, like New Orleans, with truly atrocious public water supplies. If I lived there and didn't have easy access to non-tap water, I would be pissed. The tap water there tastes like literal ass, which makes sense because it has passed through roughly forty asses on its way down the Mississippi. In a similar vein, bottled water is great for places that do not have great treated water or reliable infrastructure, such as overseas and especially for the military. But the marketing scam that resulted in ordinary Americans thinking their tap water was somehow toxic or inferior to bottled water is a crying shame. Not only is it an environmental disaster, but it undermines the whole point of municipal water providers. Adding insult to injury is that now big water is throwing its weight around trying to keep the National Park Service from making a positive change to our National Parks. The worst aspects of our political system are on display here. It doesn't really undermine municipal water supplies. You'll notice most bottled water has MWS printed on it somewhere. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On July 15 2015 01:13 KwarK wrote: It doesn't really undermine municipal water supplies. You'll notice most bottled water has MWS printed on it somewhere. True, part of the scam is that many times it is just bottled tap water. I was referring more to the fact that drinking bottled water obscures how much water a household truly needs from their municipal water providers, but compared to showers and laundry 12 oz bottles of water are a literal drop in the bucket. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 15 2015 00:17 KwarK wrote: The crux of the issue is that Iran came and did not offer us what we wanted. To highlight the conservative side,I am slightly curious what the game plan here is. As I understand it if a country does something you don't like but it's not realistic to go in there and force them to do what you want then you use sanctions to make them uncomfortable until they decide to negotiate with you. The US decided against direct military intervention, which was a very good choice given how that's played out in recent years, and went with sanctions. Iran then suffered under the sanctions and came to the negotiating table and offered us what we wanted. Isn't this literally the plan working? Like isn't calling off the sanctions in exchange for them doing what we wanted the entire point of creating the sanctions in the first place? We have a deal. It's a deal worse than even we imagined possible. It's a deal that gives the Iranian regime $140b in return for ... effectively nothing: no dismantlement of Iran's nuclear program, no anytime/anywhere inspections, no curbs on Iran's ballistic missile program, no maintenance of the arms embargo, no halt to Iran's sponsorship of terror. (Kristol at the Weekly Standard)It's obviously a very good deal for the Iranian regime. It's a very bad deal for America. So Congress should rise to the occasion. Congress should engage in a full and comprehensive debate; Congress should then pass a resolution of disapproval; Congress should then override President Obama's veto, and return America's Iran policy to dealing from a position of strength rather than supplication. We had the counter-arguments already in this thread, best we can ever hope for etc etc. Just don't imagine this is everybody's idea of something even close to what we wanted. | ||
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kwizach
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On July 15 2015 01:11 ZasZ. wrote: That would be a simpler approach but there are valid uses for bottled water. There are parts of the US, like New Orleans, with truly atrocious public water supplies. If I lived there and didn't have easy access to non-tap water, I would be pissed. The tap water there tastes like literal ass, which makes sense because it has passed through roughly forty asses on its way down the Mississippi. In a similar vein, bottled water is great for places that do not have great treated water or reliable infrastructure, such as overseas and especially for the military. But the marketing scam that resulted in ordinary Americans thinking their tap water was somehow toxic or inferior to bottled water is a crying shame. Not only is it an environmental disaster, but it undermines the whole point of municipal water providers. Adding insult to injury is that now big water is throwing its weight around trying to keep the National Park Service from making a positive change to our National Parks. The worst aspects of our political system are on display here. I live in one of those countries (our water is drinkable, but it tastes terrible). You know what else exists here? Water filters! You can either get the one you add to your tap, or you can get the one like a water jug, but the bottom line is: they are cheap, the filter lasts for about a year before it needs replacing, and fuck bottled water. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 15 2015 01:21 Danglars wrote: The crux of the issue is that Iran came and did not offer us what we wanted. To highlight the conservative side, (Kristol at the Weekly Standard) We had the counter-arguments already in this thread, best we can ever hope for etc etc. Just don't imagine this is everybody's idea of something even close to what we wanted. Look on the bright side. Obama's deal guarantees greatly increased demand in the Middle East for the goods and services of the American defense industry. Gotta shrink that trade deficit! | ||
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