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iD.GioM
France99 Posts
and in my experience there is no degradation HERE IN TOURS at my university most amphitheatres are locked when there arent any meetings, and the maintenance / cleanup team has access to the uni despite the occupation, so everything is clean and nothing is destroyed... obviously there are some assholes among the students movement, just like there are good cops ;] | ||
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doedrikthe2nd
Sweden981 Posts
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homeless_guy
United States321 Posts
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iD.GioM
France99 Posts
I personnally think both left AND right are partially wrong and right especially in france where a left wing guy will NEVER agree with something a right wing guy says (and other way around), which is totally stupid and counter-productive imo Im a partisan of a middle "wing". A compromise with both the right wing economics elements (liberalism is just a worldwide factor, ignoring it could do no good) and the left wing "social care" elements but then such a political party doesnt really exist, at least not in france t.t | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
On March 25 2006 05:55 doedrikthe2nd wrote: So I take it that you are a communist I take it you're an idiot. all you post is bullshit. | ||
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Capt. Moroni
United States533 Posts
Whenever the economy does well, you'd expect companies to expand their businesses, and therefore create new jobs right? But not in France, where it's so difficult to fire people. If they hire more people when the economy does well, then they'll be stuck with those people when the economy does poorly. Given the high taxation of companies in France already, businesses decide that hiring when the economy does well isn't worth the drain of money that'll come when being forced to pay for these workers when the economy goes bad again. If you make it easier to fire people, then businesses won't be afraid to invest and expand to take advantage of economic upturns, adding new jobs, and increasing their productivity, meaning more money to expand even more, because they can then cut the jobs when it becomes too expensive for them to maintain them. Instead French companies operate as if it's a perpetual economic downturn. Lower taxation on companies, coupled with easier firing practices, are the reasons why our job market here in the US is as robust as it is, and why we have an unemployment rate of 5%, as compared to 10% in France, which has a higher percentage of government jobs. Then again this is an "Anglo-Saxon" economic practice. | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
a big (if not the biggest) german bank made a profit worth several billions and still fired hundreds of people this year. this is no exception, many companies make profit and still fire their employees. | ||
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jca2
France52 Posts
On March 25 2006 07:49 distant_voice wrote: all those who still believe that lowering taxes and helping the industry in general will generate more jobs should think again: a big (if not the biggest) german bank made a profit worth several billions and still fired hundreds of people this year. this is no exception, many companies make profit and still fire their employees. This is such a typical statement. You take one terrible example of a giant company firing people in spite of big benefits, and forget about the millions of small companies that have to fight daily to stay alive and desperately need more flexibility in the way they hire people. Maybe to understand that, you need to work once in a small company and try to make it live, to find customers, to sell products, to pay bills, to pay taxes, to pay employees, to pay yourself when there is money left, etc. But i guess it's much easier for most people to ask for a lifetime job in a giant company, or a nice quiet administration and then go down in the street every weekend to protest against anything that could threaten their peaceful existence. | ||
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
On March 25 2006 07:49 distant_voice wrote: all those who still believe that lowering taxes and helping the industry in general will generate more jobs should think again: a big (if not the biggest) german bank made a profit worth several billions and still fired hundreds of people this year. this is no exception, many companies make profit and still fire their employees. partly because short-term profit is more important to some managers than volume and long-term perspective. btw giom never said it was bad for the economy. it's just that the economy isn't everything. what does it help if your gdp is rising when all the money goes to the wealthiest 10%? oneofthem: ever heard of social responsibility? when the us invaded iraq, your government said (in the end) they wanted to spread democracy and to bring peace to the middle east. i don't know you, but i guess you supported that decision. now that's social reponsibility. but when it comes to domestic politics, suddenly everyone should be allowed to do what suits them best. or do you think the only difference is that on one hand it is physical oppression and on the other hand it's financial oppression? not a big difference imo, at least not for the ppl suffering from it. and another thing regarding france (remember i don't know the situation too well): if there is no law protecting them, who's gonna make sure mothers, temporarily ill people etc will still be able to work? sure, the ones who work hard, are able and don't go to the doctor when they get sick, they will keep their jobs. it's the less fortunate people neocons and liberals often forget. imagine you were a woman, 25 years old and wanted to have a child. now you have to think twice, because you might get fired and be left with no job once your child is a little older. | ||
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jca2
France52 Posts
On March 25 2006 06:02 iD.GioM wrote: im wether a communist nor an anarchist =P I personnally think both left AND right are partially wrong and right especially in france where a left wing guy will NEVER agree with something a right wing guy says (and other way around), which is totally stupid and counter-productive imo Im a partisan of a middle "wing". A compromise with both the right wing economics elements (liberalism is just a worldwide factor, ignoring it could do no good) and the left wing "social care" elements but then such a political party doesnt really exist, at least not in france t.t This statement shows how naive you are about it all : "A compromise with both the right wing economics elements and the left wing "social care" elements". Woohoo, ID.Giom found a brand new political way. Oh but wait, have you noticed that the right wing economic elements are usually contradictory with the left wing social care elements? Maybe that explains why there isnt such political party in France, and anywhere else. Maybe you and your protester friends need to study and work a bit more before launching your political career. | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
When I spent my 9 months in Caen, and helped a german teacher in a collège in Bayeux I got an impression of that because I could overhear the conversations in the teachers' room. There were constant debates on domestic policy and I could see that these teachers not only discussed matters but also were willing to take action. That's what you see in the streets of Paris today. When the Monday after Pentecost was no longer a public holiday 50% of the French ignored the law and simply stayed at home. That's totally unthinkable in Germany. | ||
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badteeth
Netherlands1416 Posts
On March 25 2006 06:42 oneofthem wrote: The company should be able to fire anyone it pleases, assuming the will o fthe shareholder is kept authentic. It's their money after all, and the state has no right to intrude. Companies exist because the state allows them to exist. They are subject to any law the state wishes to pass, and the the state has every right to intrude. The states makes and enforces the rules, and can do whatever the hell they like. With what kind of stupid stick were you beaten into submission? | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
On March 25 2006 08:26 jca2 wrote: "A compromise with both the right wing economics elements and the left wing "social care" elements". Woohoo, ID.Giom found a brand new political way. Oh but wait, have you noticed that the right wing economic elements are usually contradictory with the left wing social care elements? Maybe that explains why there isnt such political party in France, and anywhere else. Maybe you and your protester friends need to study and work a bit more before launching your political career. maybe you should as well, you might already work in a small business, but that doesn't mean you can teach us how politics work. WWSD = What would scandinavians do? the political spectrum in France, as colorful as it may be, isn't everything the world has to offer. | ||
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badteeth
Netherlands1416 Posts
On March 25 2006 08:26 jca2 wrote: This statement shows how naive you are about it all : "A compromise with both the right wing economics elements and the left wing "social care" elements". Woohoo, ID.Giom found a brand new political way. Oh but wait, have you noticed that the right wing economic elements are usually contradictory with the left wing social care elements? Maybe that explains why there isnt such political party in France, and anywhere else. Maybe you and your protester friends need to study and work a bit more before launching your political career. Yeah, because economic prudence and social responsibility are mutually exclusive. If that in fact were to be the case, that should at least raise some questions about the weay we have structrured our societies. | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
On March 25 2006 08:38 badteeth wrote: Yeah, because economic prudence and social responsibility are mutually exclusive. If that in fact were to be the case, that should at least raise some questions about the weay we have structrured our societies. QFT | ||
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DaN[SES]
United States167 Posts
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alias
114 Posts
it sounds similar to the workplace reforms that are happening in Australia, except those will affect everybody living in Australia. Loss of security usually cascades into a loss of other benefits, so people may have to settle for less (eg: lower salary, poorer working conditions) to get a job. | ||
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
On March 25 2006 08:30 distant_voice wrote: When the Monday after Pentecost was no longer a public holiday 50% of the French ignored the law and simply stayed at home. That's totally unthinkable in Germany. Excuse me, but where the fuck did you read that stupidity ? -_-; This is total bullshit, people got 1 day of holiday less, period. No one "ignored the law" like you said and if they did they either spent 1 day of holiday or lost money on their paycheck (+ risked troubles like being fired). And this latest kind of people did NOT represent half of the population  | ||
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