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On October 14 2012 01:08 Zenbrez wrote: Despite what most Americans seem to think.. you don't need guns in your homes.
Honestly it depends on where you live. I don't need one where I live but I know people who live in awful areas who really DO need them. -sigh- Whatever your view, though, this incident was still incredibly tragic and that's what matters.
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On October 14 2012 01:08 Zenbrez wrote: Despite what most Americans seem to think.. you don't need guns in your homes.
edit Also, couldn't this cop go to jail? Far as I'm concerned his reaction was excessive, which is a big no-no. Unless that's just in Canada?
Despite you thinking you know what's best for all americans you don't.
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On October 14 2012 01:28 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:08 Zenbrez wrote: Despite what most Americans seem to think.. you don't need guns in your homes.
edit Also, couldn't this cop go to jail? Far as I'm concerned his reaction was excessive, which is a big no-no. Unless that's just in Canada? Despite you thinking you know what's best for all americans you don't. And you do?
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On October 14 2012 01:28 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:28 heliusx wrote:On October 14 2012 01:08 Zenbrez wrote: Despite what most Americans seem to think.. you don't need guns in your homes.
edit Also, couldn't this cop go to jail? Far as I'm concerned his reaction was excessive, which is a big no-no. Unless that's just in Canada? Despite you thinking you know what's best for all americans you don't. And you do?
Did I claim to know what all americans need? No, I didn't you did. FYI I've lived in the US for 14 years. I lived in New Orleans for 6 years and currently live in los angeles so yea...
People are willfully ignorant to the reality of criminals having guns and using them on defenseless people daily. All in the name of pushing their ideals and opinions on people from another god damn country.
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I think a major problem is that the cops in the US seem to be trained to pull their firearms rather quickly and think after. I am from Toronto and I went to the Bills Pats game a couple weeks ago. As we were pulling into the parking lot at the Ralph, a female cop who was directing traffic was waving my friend who was driving through the intersection. We slowly made our way through at her command, but as we approach her, she reaches for her gun and takes it out at us for no reason. My only guess was she was taking it out incase we got too close and she thought shed get hit or something? I have no idea, but we were literally going like 5km/hour in a crowded intersection at her becon, and she pulled a gun on us. We all just froze up and yelled "what the fuckkkkkkkkkk". She then walked to our window, stopped us for 5 seconds, and then said proceed. Like what in the fuck is that?
If you pull your gun on instinct for every little thing, shit like this is bound to happen. I dont personally believe citizens should be allowed to possess firearms, but that isnt even what I am going to argue for. I realize that isnt so much of a possibility in the US, I just think training to think first and shoot after is needed, because apparently even your cops are trained to pull a firearm on a vehicle crawling through an intersection in their general direction, that they are telling to do so. This incident had to be reactionary, and was likely due to his training to act in this fashion.
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On October 14 2012 01:40 Focuspants wrote: I think a major problem is that the cops in the US seem to be trained to pull their firearms rather quickly and think after. I am from Toronto and I went to the Bills Pats game a couple weeks ago. As we were pulling into the parking lot at the Ralph, a female cop who was directing traffic was waving my friend who was driving through the intersection. We slowly made our way through at her command, but as we approach her, she reaches for her gun and takes it out at us for no reason. My only guess was she was taking it out incase we got too close and she thought shed get hit or something? I have no idea, but we were literally going like 5km/hour in a crowded intersection at her becon, and she pulled a gun on us. We all just froze up and yelled "what the fuckkkkkkkkkk".
If you pull your gun on instinct for every little thing, shit like this is bound to happen. I dont personally believe citizens should be allowed to possess firearms, but that isnt even what I am going to argue for. I realize that isnt so much of a possibility in the US, I just think training to think first and shoot after is needed, because apparently even your cops are trained to pull a firearm on a vehicle crawling through an intersection in their general direction, that they are telling to do so. This incident had to be reactionary, and was likely due to his training to act in this fashion.
She pulled it out and pointed it at you or just pulled it out? Regardless that's pretty careless. I've never seen a cop draw his weapon before. Traffic stops are extremely dangerous and even then they don't come at you with their firearm.
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On October 14 2012 01:41 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:40 Focuspants wrote: I think a major problem is that the cops in the US seem to be trained to pull their firearms rather quickly and think after. I am from Toronto and I went to the Bills Pats game a couple weeks ago. As we were pulling into the parking lot at the Ralph, a female cop who was directing traffic was waving my friend who was driving through the intersection. We slowly made our way through at her command, but as we approach her, she reaches for her gun and takes it out at us for no reason. My only guess was she was taking it out incase we got too close and she thought shed get hit or something? I have no idea, but we were literally going like 5km/hour in a crowded intersection at her becon, and she pulled a gun on us. We all just froze up and yelled "what the fuckkkkkkkkkk".
If you pull your gun on instinct for every little thing, shit like this is bound to happen. I dont personally believe citizens should be allowed to possess firearms, but that isnt even what I am going to argue for. I realize that isnt so much of a possibility in the US, I just think training to think first and shoot after is needed, because apparently even your cops are trained to pull a firearm on a vehicle crawling through an intersection in their general direction, that they are telling to do so. This incident had to be reactionary, and was likely due to his training to act in this fashion. She pulled it out and pointed it at you or just pulled it out? Regardless that's pretty careless. I've never seen a cop draw his weapon before. She pulled it out and had it pointed down near the hood of my friends car. It was in her hand, out of her holster though, and ready to fire. It freaked the everliving shit out of us.
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On October 14 2012 01:42 Focuspants wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:41 heliusx wrote:On October 14 2012 01:40 Focuspants wrote: I think a major problem is that the cops in the US seem to be trained to pull their firearms rather quickly and think after. I am from Toronto and I went to the Bills Pats game a couple weeks ago. As we were pulling into the parking lot at the Ralph, a female cop who was directing traffic was waving my friend who was driving through the intersection. We slowly made our way through at her command, but as we approach her, she reaches for her gun and takes it out at us for no reason. My only guess was she was taking it out incase we got too close and she thought shed get hit or something? I have no idea, but we were literally going like 5km/hour in a crowded intersection at her becon, and she pulled a gun on us. We all just froze up and yelled "what the fuckkkkkkkkkk".
If you pull your gun on instinct for every little thing, shit like this is bound to happen. I dont personally believe citizens should be allowed to possess firearms, but that isnt even what I am going to argue for. I realize that isnt so much of a possibility in the US, I just think training to think first and shoot after is needed, because apparently even your cops are trained to pull a firearm on a vehicle crawling through an intersection in their general direction, that they are telling to do so. This incident had to be reactionary, and was likely due to his training to act in this fashion. She pulled it out and pointed it at you or just pulled it out? Regardless that's pretty careless. I've never seen a cop draw his weapon before. She pulled it out and had it pointed down near the hood of my friends car. It was in her hand, out of her holster though, and ready to fire. It freaked the everliving shit out of us.
That's pretty weird and I would have reported her. I'm not a cop and i don't know their procedures but I've lived here for 14 years and never seen a gun pulled even in traffic stops.
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I am just happy I don´t live in America. In my country, when there is a burglar, I am afraid he has a knife. Then I go to my kitchen and get a knife myself. Not to say I can´t respect alternative approaches to overpopulation, but I don´t think people killing each other(by accident or not) is the intent behind widespread gun possession.
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On October 14 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:42 Focuspants wrote:On October 14 2012 01:41 heliusx wrote:On October 14 2012 01:40 Focuspants wrote: I think a major problem is that the cops in the US seem to be trained to pull their firearms rather quickly and think after. I am from Toronto and I went to the Bills Pats game a couple weeks ago. As we were pulling into the parking lot at the Ralph, a female cop who was directing traffic was waving my friend who was driving through the intersection. We slowly made our way through at her command, but as we approach her, she reaches for her gun and takes it out at us for no reason. My only guess was she was taking it out incase we got too close and she thought shed get hit or something? I have no idea, but we were literally going like 5km/hour in a crowded intersection at her becon, and she pulled a gun on us. We all just froze up and yelled "what the fuckkkkkkkkkk".
If you pull your gun on instinct for every little thing, shit like this is bound to happen. I dont personally believe citizens should be allowed to possess firearms, but that isnt even what I am going to argue for. I realize that isnt so much of a possibility in the US, I just think training to think first and shoot after is needed, because apparently even your cops are trained to pull a firearm on a vehicle crawling through an intersection in their general direction, that they are telling to do so. This incident had to be reactionary, and was likely due to his training to act in this fashion. She pulled it out and pointed it at you or just pulled it out? Regardless that's pretty careless. I've never seen a cop draw his weapon before. She pulled it out and had it pointed down near the hood of my friends car. It was in her hand, out of her holster though, and ready to fire. It freaked the everliving shit out of us. That's pretty weird and I would have reported her. I'm not a cop and i don't know their procedures but I've lived here for 14 years and never seen a gun pulled even in traffic stops. In hind-sight we should have reported her, but we were so shocked we didnt even know what to do. We dont have her badge number, or cruiser number or anything. We would literally have to call in and say "a female cop did this" which likely wont lead to anything.
Also being from Toronto, I too have never seen a cop even reach in the vicinity of their firearm. It was truly shocking.
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On October 12 2012 15:00 GolemMadness wrote: This is why people shouldn't own guns. Too many lack the common sense to use them properly.
He was a cop for 40 years. He had the sense. This is a rare anomoly.
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On October 14 2012 01:45 Mataza wrote: I am just happy I don´t live in America. In my country, when there is a burglar, I am afraid he has a knife. Then I go to my kitchen and get a knife myself. Not to say I can´t respect alternative approaches to overpopulation, but I don´t think people killing each other(by accident or not) is the intent behind widespread gun possession.
But how do we get rid of the guns in criminal hands? You've got to realize here in america guns aren't registered in most states because they don't have to be. They can be sold privately with no documentation therefore the government has not a clue who has what guns. Plenty of criminals get guns through straw purchases. And if the gun is recovered in a crime the guy who bought it pretty much only has to say he sold it. There are likely around 350 million known guns in the us.
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Retired (Recently) Cop is incompetent with his weapon: Discussion is about guns, not about how the "Police are trained and effective with firearms" mantra is a ruse.
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On October 14 2012 01:48 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:45 Mataza wrote: I am just happy I don´t live in America. In my country, when there is a burglar, I am afraid he has a knife. Then I go to my kitchen and get a knife myself. Not to say I can´t respect alternative approaches to overpopulation, but I don´t think people killing each other(by accident or not) is the intent behind widespread gun possession. But how do we get rid of the guns in criminal hands? You've got to realize here in america guns aren't registered in most states because they don't have to be. They can be sold privately with no documentation therefore the government has not a clue who has what guns. Plenty of criminals get guns through straw purchases. And if the gun is recovered in a crime the guy who bought it pretty much only has to say he sold it. There are likely around 350 million known guns in the us. There's no 'we ban guns, then they're gone!' solution. It'd have to be a long term process of making them less available and removing them from circulation.
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On October 14 2012 01:53 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:48 heliusx wrote:On October 14 2012 01:45 Mataza wrote: I am just happy I don´t live in America. In my country, when there is a burglar, I am afraid he has a knife. Then I go to my kitchen and get a knife myself. Not to say I can´t respect alternative approaches to overpopulation, but I don´t think people killing each other(by accident or not) is the intent behind widespread gun possession. But how do we get rid of the guns in criminal hands? You've got to realize here in america guns aren't registered in most states because they don't have to be. They can be sold privately with no documentation therefore the government has not a clue who has what guns. Plenty of criminals get guns through straw purchases. And if the gun is recovered in a crime the guy who bought it pretty much only has to say he sold it. There are likely around 350 million known guns in the us. There's no 'we ban guns, then they're gone!' solution. It'd have to be a long term process of making them less available and removing them from circulation.
And for the next 50+ years criminals have free reign because they know law abiding citizens have no weapons? That's like telling the USA to remove all their nukes because nukes are wrong. Meanwhile the other states like NK and Iran keep theirs because they don't follow the rules. It's pretty much the reality of the situation that leads me to believe it's not feasible to remove guns from america even if the populace wanted to (they don't).
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In my belief, all gun related deaths/violence/injuries/accidents/crimes are a problem of gun control. Let's just ban guns, please.
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On October 14 2012 01:56 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:53 Dfgj wrote:On October 14 2012 01:48 heliusx wrote:On October 14 2012 01:45 Mataza wrote: I am just happy I don´t live in America. In my country, when there is a burglar, I am afraid he has a knife. Then I go to my kitchen and get a knife myself. Not to say I can´t respect alternative approaches to overpopulation, but I don´t think people killing each other(by accident or not) is the intent behind widespread gun possession. But how do we get rid of the guns in criminal hands? You've got to realize here in america guns aren't registered in most states because they don't have to be. They can be sold privately with no documentation therefore the government has not a clue who has what guns. Plenty of criminals get guns through straw purchases. And if the gun is recovered in a crime the guy who bought it pretty much only has to say he sold it. There are likely around 350 million known guns in the us. There's no 'we ban guns, then they're gone!' solution. It'd have to be a long term process of making them less available and removing them from circulation. And for the next 50+ years criminals have free reign because they know law abiding citizens have no weapons? That's like telling the USA to remove all their nukes because nukes are wrong. Meanwhile the other states like NK and Iran keep theirs because they don't follow the rules. It's pretty much the reality of the situation that leads me to believe it's not feasible to remove guns from america even if the populace wanted to (they don't). Do you really picture the US as some unpoliced war-zone where the only thing holding back the hordes of criminals is that civilians have easy access to lethal force?
There's a bigger problem in that situation.
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On October 14 2012 02:31 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:56 heliusx wrote:On October 14 2012 01:53 Dfgj wrote:On October 14 2012 01:48 heliusx wrote:On October 14 2012 01:45 Mataza wrote: I am just happy I don´t live in America. In my country, when there is a burglar, I am afraid he has a knife. Then I go to my kitchen and get a knife myself. Not to say I can´t respect alternative approaches to overpopulation, but I don´t think people killing each other(by accident or not) is the intent behind widespread gun possession. But how do we get rid of the guns in criminal hands? You've got to realize here in america guns aren't registered in most states because they don't have to be. They can be sold privately with no documentation therefore the government has not a clue who has what guns. Plenty of criminals get guns through straw purchases. And if the gun is recovered in a crime the guy who bought it pretty much only has to say he sold it. There are likely around 350 million known guns in the us. There's no 'we ban guns, then they're gone!' solution. It'd have to be a long term process of making them less available and removing them from circulation. And for the next 50+ years criminals have free reign because they know law abiding citizens have no weapons? That's like telling the USA to remove all their nukes because nukes are wrong. Meanwhile the other states like NK and Iran keep theirs because they don't follow the rules. It's pretty much the reality of the situation that leads me to believe it's not feasible to remove guns from america even if the populace wanted to (they don't). Do you really picture the US as some unpoliced war-zone where the only thing holding back the hordes of criminals is that civilians have easy access to lethal force? There's a bigger problem in that situation. Apparently hordes of armed criminals is one of the better arguments for gun availability, as often as it is repeated.
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I can only guess you've never been to the states. And if you have you must live in a really nice place. Because where I'm at atm home invasions are really common and even more common is the police taking 30+ minutes to arrive. Of course we can always pretend that the police can instantly teleport and save you but obviously that's not the case.
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On October 14 2012 02:38 heliusx wrote: I can only guess you've never been to the states. And if you have you must live in a really nice place. Because where I'm at atm home invasions are really common and even more common is the police taking 30+ minutes to arrive. Of course we can always pretend that the police can instantly teleport and save you but obviously that's not the case. If you all have guns and are willing to shoot, why are home invasions common?
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