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On September 30 2012 06:42 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 06:36 Reason wrote:On September 30 2012 04:51 Fischbacher wrote: It's depressing to see what female athletes have to do for attention T.T To be honest I think it's depressing that if you tried to make a male version of this or any sport full of scantily clad men who are not in as good shape are their modestly clad counterparts playing a sport at an amateur level whilst being half naked that it would fail. Nobody wants to watch that shit! We idolise women, we put them on a pedestal and we say to them : It's okay that you can't do this as well as we can, you look so good doing it that if you're willing to do it half naked I'm willing to watch you do it all day long. I think it's a compliment, not an insult. That's incredibly degrading. Woman don't like be looked at as something different especially if you have the misguidance to tell they aren't any good. "But hell baby, you still look good doing it" You think that's a compliment? Edit: Seriously!!??? Misguidance? So you're telling me that these bikini sporting basketball babes are better than the female pro basketball players?
Obviously not, we're willing to watch them play mediocre bastketball because they look hot doing it.
Go complain to the people organising and performing this shit instead of me for just stating the obvious.
Yes, I do think it's a compliment to these women that we're willing to watch them do that just because they look that good, as I've already explained you wouldn't see the male equivalent.
If anything I'm jealous of these women, I don't pity them.
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On September 30 2012 07:46 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 07:37 Trollk wrote:On September 30 2012 06:42 McFeser wrote:On September 30 2012 06:36 Reason wrote:On September 30 2012 04:51 Fischbacher wrote: It's depressing to see what female athletes have to do for attention T.T To be honest I think it's depressing that if you tried to make a male version of this or any sport full of scantily clad men who are not in as good shape are their modestly clad counterparts playing a sport at an amateur level whilst being half naked that it would fail. Nobody wants to watch that shit! We idolise women, we put them on a pedestal and we say to them : It's okay that you can't do this as well as we can, you look so good doing it that if you're willing to do it half naked I'm willing to watch you do it all day long. I think it's a compliment, not an insult. That's incredibly degrading. Woman don't like be looked at as something different especially if you have the misguidance to tell they aren't any good. "But hell baby, you still look good doing it" You think that's a compliment? Edit: Seriously!!??? Degrading? If you choose to play basketball in a bikney, you know beforehand that its because guys like to look at the junk in the trunk. If they don't like it, don't bother signing up. What is next, making it illegal for woman to monetise their sex appeal? Only person who could complain that is degrading, are the woman that are playing on that court. And gues what, they actually are capable of thinking on their own. TL; DR Complaing abt it being degrading is actually an insult to every woman who chooses to be there. Nope not buying it. People here aren't saying that these women aren't capable of making these decisions themselves, more that the idea itself isn't overly edifying. Likewise not all of us are against monetising your sex appeal. Modelling, pornography etc are all fine by me because they are what they are, attractive ladies making the most of this attribute. The problem for me is more when people use their sex appeal to make a mockery of hardworking, talented people in other fields and get a leg up in fields that are completely unrelated to attractiveness. Likewise the token female pickups in the world of SC2, ridiculous to see some of the bans that were handed out on those threads, but some of the posts that are tolerated here. In before 'well that's the way the world works'. The world only works in certain ways because people accept these as normal. Equally, such an onus is not placed on the supposed critical importance of attractiveness when it comes to males. Perhaps in sport it's the generally superior product on display, and that's a discussion worth having.
I see where you are coming from, however I do not feel it applies to this bikini league.
When you say that people should not got a leggs-up in a sport because of their attractiveness, I fully agree. Likewise, your point of female pickups holds. However, women playing basketball in bikini's are not competing within official leagues. No basketball player in bikini will face a properly clothed one. They are a brand on its own, solely for the object of entertainment (as I see it). It is not because they decide to wear bikini's, that they are going to be picked up by professional teams or gain an edge over non-properly clothed females.
As for making a mockery of hardworking people, I find that very subjective. It may be a mockery in your eyes, but does that mean that somebody can't find it a compliment? In addition, the goal of this league is not to mock professional female athletes. No, it is a form of entertainment that only aims to make a profit.
However I must admit that it should remain a different and separate league from the official pro circuit, for else it would be ridiculous.
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On September 30 2012 09:33 Trollk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 07:46 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 30 2012 07:37 Trollk wrote:On September 30 2012 06:42 McFeser wrote:On September 30 2012 06:36 Reason wrote:On September 30 2012 04:51 Fischbacher wrote: It's depressing to see what female athletes have to do for attention T.T To be honest I think it's depressing that if you tried to make a male version of this or any sport full of scantily clad men who are not in as good shape are their modestly clad counterparts playing a sport at an amateur level whilst being half naked that it would fail. Nobody wants to watch that shit! We idolise women, we put them on a pedestal and we say to them : It's okay that you can't do this as well as we can, you look so good doing it that if you're willing to do it half naked I'm willing to watch you do it all day long. I think it's a compliment, not an insult. That's incredibly degrading. Woman don't like be looked at as something different especially if you have the misguidance to tell they aren't any good. "But hell baby, you still look good doing it" You think that's a compliment? Edit: Seriously!!??? Degrading? If you choose to play basketball in a bikney, you know beforehand that its because guys like to look at the junk in the trunk. If they don't like it, don't bother signing up. What is next, making it illegal for woman to monetise their sex appeal? Only person who could complain that is degrading, are the woman that are playing on that court. And gues what, they actually are capable of thinking on their own. TL; DR Complaing abt it being degrading is actually an insult to every woman who chooses to be there. Nope not buying it. People here aren't saying that these women aren't capable of making these decisions themselves, more that the idea itself isn't overly edifying. Likewise not all of us are against monetising your sex appeal. Modelling, pornography etc are all fine by me because they are what they are, attractive ladies making the most of this attribute. The problem for me is more when people use their sex appeal to make a mockery of hardworking, talented people in other fields and get a leg up in fields that are completely unrelated to attractiveness. Likewise the token female pickups in the world of SC2, ridiculous to see some of the bans that were handed out on those threads, but some of the posts that are tolerated here. In before 'well that's the way the world works'. The world only works in certain ways because people accept these as normal. Equally, such an onus is not placed on the supposed critical importance of attractiveness when it comes to males. Perhaps in sport it's the generally superior product on display, and that's a discussion worth having. I see where you are coming from, however I do not feel it applies to this bikini league. When you say that people should not got a leggs-up in a sport because of their attractiveness, I fully agree. Likewise, your point of female pickups holds. However, women playing basketball in bikini's are not competing within official leagues. No basketball player in bikini will face a properly clothed one. They are a brand on its own, solely for the object of entertainment (as I see it). It is not because they decide to wear bikini's, that they are going to be picked up by professional teams or gain an edge over non-properly clothed females. As for making a mockery of hardworking people, I find that very subjective. It may be a mockery in your eyes, but does that mean that somebody can't find it a compliment? In addition, the goal of this league is not to mock professional female athletes. No, it is a form of entertainment that only aims to make a profit. However I must admit that it should remain a different and separate league from the official pro circuit, for else it would be ridiculous. Ah see that's what I call a post! Due in part to the lack of actual information on the website I just assumed this was being set up as a direct competitor to the WNBA as opposed to something of a novelty/gimmicky fun league.
My mistake I guess, anyway cheers for the decent reply, few and far between in this thread
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i respect the wnba even though so many people don't. they train hard like other pro athletes but they get so little recognition. out of this respect, i am really disappointed with the announcement of this bikini league.
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On October 23 2012 08:47 JiYan wrote: i respect the wnba even though so many people don't. they train hard like other pro athletes but they get so little recognition. out of this respect, i am really disappointed with the announcement of this bikini league.
im not very fond of the skill level present in the wnba, and if those players are supposed to be the best of the women in america, then this is going to be pretty cringe worthy to watch.
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I don't believe bikini basketball is real. Pics or it's fake.
Huehuehue...
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On September 30 2012 06:46 Supamang wrote:lol Miami Spice logo... ![[image loading]](http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/560/173/Miami-Spice_original.jpg?1348861160)
You gotta be shitting me? Did they really just change the colors and call it their own!?
As long as it's bikini basketball outdoors then there's no problem. If it's indoors... then yeah this is definitely awkward.
Bikini + indoor basketball = exploit imo.
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On September 29 2012 21:36 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:You sir, need to learn how to debate. It is the responsibility of the challenger to present their facts against the current prevailing de-facto opinion. In this situation, that women need to appear attractive to attract spectators and their respect rather than relying on purely on physical qualifiers. I refuse to answer your posts directly because they are simply speculative maybes and rambling. Without scientific backing of your speculation, it's really not worth commenting. Therefore your name calling, is childish. My scientific evidence: The research of the United State Armed Forces on viability of gender equality: The USAF after almost a decade of research found that for women to gain the operational combat readiness of an infantry man would upon reaching the necessary stamina and strength to carry the same loads, fire the same accuracy as a infantry man, women ended on average 10-20% larger than their male counterparts. Needless to say, I can't find the paper on google as it still is a controversial subject as it was then, I read almost a decade ago. My argument is that Bikini basketball has to be a clothing requirement for the sport or else they'll eventually be dominated by women who have no qualms sacrificing their physique to the altar of winning. Compare this: ![[image loading]](http://cdn.ph.upi.com/sv/upi/UPI-93551348842808/2012/1/bf804ad7d810b207a7eea989f8072b08/Williams-sisters-out-of-China-Open.jpg) with this: ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-r2lfX0H5Zbs/T_sgDRF4CpI/AAAAAAAAHeI/K2Ysd9ys5oc/s1600/maria-sharapova.jpg) I don't know about you, but as a future father, I would want my daughters to end up as attractive wife material to a potential husband after their contribution to a sport. Turning into a massive she-hulk is not my idea of marriageable material. Let's agree to disagree and put it down to cultural differences.
I'm willing to bet Sharapova's shoulders are at least twice as broad as yours, she's also 6.2 (6.7 on high heels). Both horse-like, like most women in sports. Don't try to turn sports arena into a beauty pageant, almost always it's either this or that.
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I'll look forward to this a lot more than the WNBA.
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I find tall girls very attractive and I love basketball. So if these gals can play for real, then I will definitely tune in for a match once in a while!
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Why this will be better than the WNBA.... If you want to watch a game PURELY for your enjoyment of seeing the highest level of achievement and competition facing off with eachother... you watch the NBA. Men>Women at physical sports. Fact. There is no if/and/but its fact. If you put the worst NBA team against the best WNBA team, it would not be close.
Now, if you want to watch something strictly because it is eye candy/humorous/enjoyable for COMPLETELY different reasons, you will watch the Bikini Basketball league...
WNBA is the lesser of both worlds... and people dont understand why this will crush it in viewer count?
Same reason people watch Major league baseball, and the minor leagues get no attention... people want to watch the best. NOBODY says... i wanna see some completely above average...anything.
Yes this is sad/sexist/blahblahblah but just approach it logically and it makes more sense.... is it sad that this is more interesting than the WNBA? Yes. But what can they do? Maybe the ones striving for equality should wake up that being in the WNBA DOES NOT equal being in the NBA... if you want equality let the women try out for the NBA and let the best players play.
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On October 23 2012 13:56 ecstatica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 21:36 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:You sir, need to learn how to debate. It is the responsibility of the challenger to present their facts against the current prevailing de-facto opinion. In this situation, that women need to appear attractive to attract spectators and their respect rather than relying on purely on physical qualifiers. I refuse to answer your posts directly because they are simply speculative maybes and rambling. Without scientific backing of your speculation, it's really not worth commenting. Therefore your name calling, is childish. My scientific evidence: The research of the United State Armed Forces on viability of gender equality: The USAF after almost a decade of research found that for women to gain the operational combat readiness of an infantry man would upon reaching the necessary stamina and strength to carry the same loads, fire the same accuracy as a infantry man, women ended on average 10-20% larger than their male counterparts. Needless to say, I can't find the paper on google as it still is a controversial subject as it was then, I read almost a decade ago. My argument is that Bikini basketball has to be a clothing requirement for the sport or else they'll eventually be dominated by women who have no qualms sacrificing their physique to the altar of winning. Compare this: ![[image loading]](http://cdn.ph.upi.com/sv/upi/UPI-93551348842808/2012/1/bf804ad7d810b207a7eea989f8072b08/Williams-sisters-out-of-China-Open.jpg) with this: ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-r2lfX0H5Zbs/T_sgDRF4CpI/AAAAAAAAHeI/K2Ysd9ys5oc/s1600/maria-sharapova.jpg) I don't know about you, but as a future father, I would want my daughters to end up as attractive wife material to a potential husband after their contribution to a sport. Turning into a massive she-hulk is not my idea of marriageable material. Let's agree to disagree and put it down to cultural differences. I'm willing to bet Sharapova's shoulders are at least twice as broad as yours, she's also 6.2 (6.7 on high heels). Both horse-like, like most women in sports. Don't try to turn sports arena into a beauty pageant, almost always it's either this or that.
Dude I would marry Serena Williams in a heart beat. She's fabulously wealthy for one, second you *know* she has stamina, and she is an ideal aspect of beauty in a utilitarian fashion (which, when it comes right done to it has more philosophical value to it than the prevailing trends of beauty for any era).
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interesting.... If they aren't too muscular I might just watch... Just might....
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Dude, Serena is way hotter than Maria. It's actually hilarious that you compare them side by side and actually consider Maria somehow less disgustingly ripped. I mean she has the little head of a 12 year old on the torso of a male high school track star. Them shoulders o_O
Regarding the logo ripoff, I can't help but think of Team Zebra Lightning. Although this is even lazier.
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On October 23 2012 14:29 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Dude, Serena is way hotter than Maria. It's actually hilarious that you compare them side by side and actually consider Maria somehow less disgustingly ripped. I mean she has the little head of a 12 year old on the torso of a male high school track star. Them shoulders o_O
Regarding the logo ripoff, I can't help but think of Team Zebra Lightning. Although this is even lazier.
you did not just say that about this
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On October 23 2012 14:34 Diizzy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:29 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Dude, Serena is way hotter than Maria. It's actually hilarious that you compare them side by side and actually consider Maria somehow less disgustingly ripped. I mean she has the little head of a 12 year old on the torso of a male high school track star. Them shoulders o_O
Regarding the logo ripoff, I can't help but think of Team Zebra Lightning. Although this is even lazier.
you did not just say that about this ![[image loading]](http://worldofathletes.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/maria-sharapova-cute-young.jpg) + Show Spoiler +
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I'd much rather watch this than the WNBA...
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Ya... Serena is more attractive...if your attracted to big strong men who can protect you...
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Such a low blow lol. "Women can't play well enough for people to watch them, so let's get them to show some sex appeal".
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