Pro-China, Anti-Japan Protests - Page 2

On September 16 2012 06:18 Chairman Ray wrote:
Although it is understandable that older generations may bear a grudge against the Japanese, they should not keep passing on this grudge to younger generations. This level of nationalism is detrimental. The squabble over the rightful owner of the islands is a legitimate issue, but destroying Japanese businesses and products within China is just pure irrationality. Heck this issue of nationalism is not just against the Japanese. As we see with anything between China and Taiwan, Olympic games, Football, etc, a lot of people in China go overboard with "national pride".

On September 16 2012 06:21 KwarK wrote:
To be honest learning about Japanese conduct in world war two and the lack of a national self examining in the wake of the second world war kind of justifies anti-Japanese feelings. Imperial Japan was a diseased nation, akin to 1930s Germany, the difference is that Germany has swallowed its pride and learned to accept and learn from its past whereas Japan preferred self pity and denial.

I don't require the Japanese descendants of the war criminals to atone any more than I would ask the German descendants of Nazis to atone. However accepting their shameful history and showing an awareness of the suffering their ancestors caused would help ease the tensions. Only a month ago two Japanese ministers visited a shrine honouring fourteen Class A war criminals.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-15/shrine/4200304

Violent protests are always wrong but anti-Japanese sentiment is not without its justifications.

On September 16 2012 06:21 KwarK wrote:
To be honest learning about Japanese conduct in world war two and the lack of a national self examining in the wake of the second world war kind of justifies anti-Japanese feelings. Imperial Japan was a diseased nation, akin to 1930s Germany, the difference is that Germany has swallowed its pride and learned to accept and learn from its past whereas Japan preferred self pity and denial.

I don't require the Japanese descendants of the war criminals to atone any more than I would ask the German descendants of Nazis to atone. However accepting their shameful history and showing an awareness of the suffering their ancestors caused would help ease the tensions. Only a month ago two Japanese ministers visited a shrine honouring fourteen Class A war criminals.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-15/shrine/4200304

Violent protests are always wrong but anti-Japanese sentiment is not without its justifications.

I don't require the Japanese descendants of the war criminals to atone any more than I would ask the German descendants of Nazis to atone. However accepting their shameful history and showing an awareness of the suffering their ancestors caused would help ease the tensions. Only a month ago two Japanese ministers visited a shrine honouring fourteen Class A war criminals.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-15/shrine/4200304

To be honest learning about Japanese conduct in world war two and the lack of a national self examining in the wake of the second world war kind of justifies anti-Japanese feelings. Imperial Japan was a diseased nation, akin to 1930s Germany, the difference is that Germany has swallowed its pride and learned to accept and learn from its past whereas Japan preferred self pity and denial.

On September 16 2012 06:03 Holgerius wrote:
Stuff like this makes me so negative regarding the future of our species.

On September 16 2012 06:28 radscorpion9 wrote:


Isn't that unnecessarily sensationalist/dramatic? These posts pop up every time a negative event occurs... "I have no faith in humanity" is practically a meme now. I mean really, do you view a protest as having so much importance that the *future of our species* looks bleak? There are probably a thousand other factors you're not considering concerning the future of our species.

But just focusing on this issue...this is what, one protest between Japan and China that otherwise have maintained peaceful relations 90% of the time otherwise (I'm conservatively estimating)? Its unfair to assign so much undue weight to the minority of negative news that comes out concerning their relations, let alone become depressed about the future of our species.

On September 16 2012 06:28 DeepElemBlues wrote:


The Yakusuni shrine is for all Japanese war dead. I don't think Japanese should shut themselves off from it because that includes war criminals. Every nation has a shipload of war criminals that were never caught or never prosecuted who died for their country as well and no one gets in a big huff about them honoring their war dead... except when it's convenient, of course.



To be honest China is more like Imperial (Kaiser Wilhelm) Germany in the way it looks at and deals with the world than anything else, the Communist Party would just make shit up to get people to hate Japan if they didn't already have good reasons from the past. Japan in WW2 is a smokescreen for confrontational Chinese nationalist ambition. Japan being a murderous brute of a bully doesn't justify China being a bully today.

Japan bent itself over more than any country in history after WW2 (yeah we Americans put a gun to their head but they did do it) and gets little credit for it from the rest of Asia.

On September 16 2012 06:33 ShadeR wrote:


Japan ran riot and raped the shit out of east asia and southeast asia. They would care that Japan bent the knee to America because why?

On September 16 2012 06:36 DeepElemBlues wrote:


Because they did what they had to do to prove they wouldn't run riot and rape the shit out of east and southeast Asia anymore. If the Chinese want to use resentment not to keep Japan from doing it again but simply as a power move, they shouldn't get a free pass on it.

On September 16 2012 06:28 DeepElemBlues wrote:


The Yakusuni shrine is for all Japanese war dead. I don't think Japanese should shut themselves off from it because that includes war criminals. Every nation has a shipload of war criminals that were never caught or never prosecuted who died for their country as well and no one gets in a big huff about them honoring their war dead... except when it's convenient, of course.



To be honest China is more like Imperial (Kaiser Wilhelm) Germany in the way it looks at and deals with the world than anything else, the Communist Party would just make shit up to get people to hate Japan if they didn't already have good reasons from the past. Japan in WW2 is a smokescreen for confrontational Chinese nationalist ambition. Japan being a murderous brute of a bully doesn't justify China being a bully today.

Japan bent itself over more than any country in history after WW2 (yeah we Americans put a gun to their head but they did do it) and gets little credit for it from the rest of Asia.