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On August 14 2012 03:00 finlurrrr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 02:57 FeUerFlieGe wrote: How about we just rob banks. I'm sure some of us are good hackers.
If they banks are sitting on so much money, why not hack into them and transfer the money to 10000 separate accounts across the globe. Then divide the money further, buy a ton of swag with it, sell the swag for street profit. And now we have a lot of cash money we can deposit into one large bank account for eSports. Your idea was funny but unhelpful. :/ That's basically what the banks are going to say if anyone with power in a bank sees this. Unfortunately, a high level member of a bank will not take investment advice from what they see as gamer kids on an online forum.
Why don't we just come to the conclusion that eSports is growing slowly, but not dying, and will be big one day. But not tomorrow. Is that so bad?
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On August 14 2012 06:51 Gogleion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 03:00 finlurrrr wrote:On August 14 2012 02:57 FeUerFlieGe wrote: How about we just rob banks. I'm sure some of us are good hackers.
If they banks are sitting on so much money, why not hack into them and transfer the money to 10000 separate accounts across the globe. Then divide the money further, buy a ton of swag with it, sell the swag for street profit. And now we have a lot of cash money we can deposit into one large bank account for eSports. Your idea was funny but unhelpful. :/ That's basically what the banks are going to say if anyone with power in a bank sees this. Unfortunately, a high level member of a bank will not take investment advice from what they see as gamer kids on an online forum. Why don't we just come to the conclusion that eSports is growing slowly, but not dying, and will be big one day. But not tomorrow. Is that so bad?
As opposed to ... "actual" gamer kids on an online forum ?
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I think esports is far too young to have banks investing in it, imagine if wells fargo investoed 100 mil into esports and only got a few mil back? Do you think anyone would ever touch it again? probably not, and that would really suck.
We just have to wait patiently for everyone in the world to realize how great this is and the big sponsors will come naturally i think.
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On August 14 2012 07:27 Oaky wrote: I think esports is far too young to have banks investing in it, imagine if wells fargo investoed 100 mil into esports and only got a few mil back? Do you think anyone would ever touch it again? probably not, and that would really suck.
We just have to wait patiently for everyone in the world to realize how great this is and the big sponsors will come naturally i think.
From an investing standpoint, how is it great ?
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On August 14 2012 07:20 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:51 Gogleion wrote:On August 14 2012 03:00 finlurrrr wrote:On August 14 2012 02:57 FeUerFlieGe wrote: How about we just rob banks. I'm sure some of us are good hackers.
If they banks are sitting on so much money, why not hack into them and transfer the money to 10000 separate accounts across the globe. Then divide the money further, buy a ton of swag with it, sell the swag for street profit. And now we have a lot of cash money we can deposit into one large bank account for eSports. Your idea was funny but unhelpful. :/ That's basically what the banks are going to say if anyone with power in a bank sees this. Unfortunately, a high level member of a bank will not take investment advice from what they see as gamer kids on an online forum. Why don't we just come to the conclusion that eSports is growing slowly, but not dying, and will be big one day. But not tomorrow. Is that so bad? As opposed to ... "actual" gamer kids on an online forum ? Well not everyone here is a 'gamer kid' and a lot of people here are smart about money/investments, so I didn't want to stereotype everyone here as that. But I believe a skeptical outsider will see a community like this as 'gamer kids'.
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Try to convince them it will generate growth like the energy drink market and maybe they'll bite. Have to appeal to their desire to make money. You'll need to figure out a good profit model for teams as well if you want banks to invest. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor.
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Starcraft 2 is not esports, and it never will be. And thank god for that. The things I love about starcraft are the things that differentiate it from games like League of Legends.
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Am not sure if banks should be eager to sponsor sc. Manny people in the working world still see playing video games as a huge waste of time for the yought. I believe in china consoles are even banned to protect the younger generation from them. Sc and videogames are definatly on the way up but reality is that manny people see it as basicly a waste of time and would rather have young people spend their time on other things. No clue if this is a reason why banks are holding off, but i can imagine it could be one.
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If you think young 20 year olds would choose a bank over another because one supports competitive gaming, then you are either delirious of the power of money, or that 20 year old is an imbecile in money management. To me, a bank sponsoring esports is a sign of desperation for them to capture or penetrate into the 18 - 30 year old audience.
Yes this audience are likely to apply for their first loans and accounts, but to say you chose a bank that's going to manage your money and credit even slightly because it supports esports is like saying esports affected how you manage your money.
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Yeah.. I feel like e-sports isn't nearly as mainstream enough as it needs to be for that kind of sponsorship yet.
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Trust the banks to securitise the teams and then create an entire secondary market for trading shares of sc2 teams, no thanks. Banks dont give a shit whether or not esport succeeds, the moment it becomes unprofitable they will ditch the scene so fast esports will be pushed back a few years.
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Funnily enough, the recession was part of the reason why eSports caught on so well in Korea.
But why would banks want to loan to the demographic normally associated with eSports? So that they can take tons of students loans for a college degree that well not help them find a job with which to pay back the student loan they took out? Doesn't sound like a winning investment for the banks to me.
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On August 14 2012 01:05 FreddYCooL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 01:04 finlurrrr wrote: To be more specific, I'd be asking banks to sponsor teams like Quantic or Eclypsia so they can move into a more baller house with maids, coaches, mentors, travel agents, masseuses, and groupies (live-in "booth girls"). This alone can get people to change their major at college or drop out to live a baller lifestyle at one of the extravagantly funded team houses. This one idea could literally make SC2 about 10x more appealing to talented SC2 players compared to the broodwar generation where compensation & allure are basically equal... Did you write this with a straight face? Rofl. Your argument is that the banks should support students to change their major at college (to SC2? lol) or drop out of school. So everyone who wants to be a progamer instantly get S-class treatment, even the B-team practice partners? Also, why shouldn't the compensation and allure be equal? Besides that, the amount of compensation for the work put in is all relative. SC was attractive to Rekrul and Elky until they found out they can make way more money playing poker.
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On August 14 2012 01:03 sekritzzz wrote: trust me, if e-sports is a good investment, banks would of already been in it. Don't get me wrong, e-sports will be very succesful in the future, but right now its not a good investment. Its all about timing and banks got that in the bag.
how can you say this? it's highly likely that the people in charge of giving money to organizations that relate to esports never occurred to them. I bet you they dont even know what esports is.
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I'd rather spend my time pushing Activision Blizzard to actually design a better e-sport game. But that time would most likely end up wasted.
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On August 14 2012 13:06 emc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 01:03 sekritzzz wrote: trust me, if e-sports is a good investment, banks would of already been in it. Don't get me wrong, e-sports will be very succesful in the future, but right now its not a good investment. Its all about timing and banks got that in the bag. how can you say this? it's highly likely that the people in charge of giving money to organizations that relate to esports never occurred to them. I bet you they dont even know what esports is. That's the thing though. If they haven't heard of it, it's not worth investing in it. They're banks, not venture capitalists. It's not their job to try to make money in a market they're unfamiliar with.
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its all about viewer numbers. banks won't care for at most 50k (sometimes a little more but not enough) viewers for a sc2 game.
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On August 15 2012 05:24 zimz wrote: its all about viewer numbers. banks won't care for at most 50k (sometimes a little more but not enough) viewers for a sc2 game.
especially for the demographic with the least income.
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On August 14 2012 01:16 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 01:10 finlurrrr wrote:On August 14 2012 01:06 McFeser wrote: Banks have invested into Esports. Where do you Sundance got his 11 million from? Do you have a source for this? His wrong. Sundance got it from venture capital. MLG would not be able to afford to pay of high interest rates. VC costs > loan interest. The reason sundance cant go to a bank is because banks are conservative and generally dont invest in startups.
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