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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:42 Bleak wrote: Human is a disgusting species. I love how people say things like this and it only shows them to be just as bad because they lump the whole species together ~_~ yes yes we are ALL hunting whales sir everyone of us, we also all killed jews in WW2 in the deathcamps and anyone who commits a crime means the whole species is at fault. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On July 05 2012 21:15 jpak wrote: Wait. South korea has an agenda against whales too? FUCK YOU DOLPHIN! FUCK YOU WHALE! http://theoatmeal.com/comics/dolphin_punch | ||
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Medrea
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-eXalt
United States462 Posts
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semantics
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On July 06 2012 07:14 semantics wrote: it's whales, what makes whales worth more then fish or turtles? Most whale species that are taken by whaling aren't even close to endangered, and when they are it's often that subspecies that lives in that one area and doesn't thrive there. Really i'm fine with hunting all animals(people withstanding) for food, science, industry etc. As long as it's done so that it doesn't totally wipe them off the planet, like we do with some fish species. After all we want to continue to do it we should be at least smart enough to not do it to death. thats the thing though, its difficult to stop when it does need to be stopped so its best to keep the regulations there.. people think in the short term and not the long term usually. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
South Korean BBQ =/= Whale | ||
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ImAbstracT
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SlitZ
Sweden42 Posts
Go eat insects or something, ton of them out there. | ||
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Schlootle
United States54 Posts
Edit: Having read what type of whale they are actually hunting, I am now a little iffy. The numbers have recovered, but I would prefer if they would go after more populous whales instead. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 06 2012 06:09 Masamune wrote: lol how is it a fundamentally moral argument? It actually has nothing to do with morals and is quite logical. Once again the strawman... Given human intelligence and our ability to reason, we have two options in regards to this situation: A) Live in apathy and let natural selection take its course. B) Make easy alterations in our lives to preserve biodiversity, which can be as asset in the future. I'm not advocating that we take option B because of some moral obligation but because it is the option which benefits society the most. We already do many things that go against nature to benefit and progress society, so why should this be any different? Humans are generally considered a patriarchal species, but yet we employ women equality and literacy in the West and it, in turn, helps to preserve our advanced and developed society. You make the claim for allowing natural selection to take its course, so are you also saying that we should just revert back to our normal behaviour and allow civil rights to dissolve because it goes in tandem with our innateness? This is the case in other societies and transcends "social/cultural/ideological forces" but would it be a beneficial choice for ours? The same case could be made for preserving biodiversity on this Earth. South Korea may have different social and cultural codes of conduct than mine, but when it starts to potentially infringe on my life, I take issue with it. For all I care they can enslave their women, but don't touch the whales  How's that for morals?If there is any assumption to be made, it's that you are the product of internet conditioning that believes environmentalism to be a wasted effort and should be ignored completely because of a few introductory college classes. Honestly, it's getting stale. Hmm, from what I see, you are greatly confused about what your argument is. Your main gist in those paragraphs is that letting whales go extinct is equivalent to reverting back to primitivism, thereby unmaking the social progress humans have made. But this is a false analogy: human progress is not fundamentally predicated on environmentalism, and one is able to have one without the other. Indeed, the two are opposed in a lot of ways. For example, in order to have the advanced, technological society that we have today, huge swaths of natural habitats had to be transformed into resources that service humans - to the detriment of their animal and plant inhabitants. There is nothing logical in the fear mongering statement that allowing whales to go extinct is tantamount to repealing social progress. This is a large flaw in your ideological stance. Your advocacy of betterment for ourselves is in the service of a humanistic moral philosophy, and the examples that you gave regarding gender equality, civil rights, etc. are all examples from human morality. But instead of stopping there, you then draw the false analogy between human morality and animal rights, believing that the securement of one requires the securement of the other. This is the very tacic of animal rights groups in the West - to equate animal rights with human rights and therefore environmentalism with moral humanism - which makes my notions about your conditioning all the easier to support. What you further fail to understand is that, because you depend on tenets from a moralistic human philosophy to support your environmentalist stance, you are making moral arguments. Gender equality, for example, is not a law of nature, but because the variants of moral humanism popular in the West today posit that equal rights and opportunity is a fundamental positive desirable to all humans, gender equality is an ethical tenet of Western moral humanism. That your notion of progress and advanced society is tied to ethical - and specifically humanly ethical - principles is what makes your arguments moral. In the case that your goal is to avoid a moral argument, you are better off sticking to the personal argument, which constitutes the best logical argument in your arsenal against whale hunting - you oppose whale hunting because it infringes on your life, because killing off whales -> you and your children are no longer able to enjoy them in whatever capacity you enjoy them now. This is a logical, utilitarian argument, and your confusion lies in thinking that your other arguments, and not this one, is your primary rational thrust. | ||
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Diizzy
United States828 Posts
On July 06 2012 07:14 semantics wrote: it's whales, what makes whales worth more then fish or turtles? Most whale species that are taken by whaling aren't even close to endangered, and when they are it's often that subspecies that lives in that one area and doesn't thrive there. Really i'm fine with hunting all animals(people withstanding) for food, science, industry etc. As long as it's done so that it doesn't totally wipe them off the planet, like we do with some fish species. After all we want to continue to do it we should be at least smart enough to not do it to death. yeah it all starts that way. then all of a sudden a new species is endangered. the damage cant be reverse and they die off. messing up the ecosystem. its not like whales breed like insects. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
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teaCher
Canada521 Posts
Makes no sense.... stop whaling, more sc... | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
On July 06 2012 07:39 Tiegrr wrote: Whale Wars needed something to do and a new branch anyways. Seeing whale wars invade sovereign waters would be hilarious. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
Whaling is retarded. I love how people make the comparison to killing pigs, but pigs are in huge supply and taste fucking fantastic compared to other animals like dogs, etc. You don't use a hammer to drive a screw. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On July 06 2012 07:39 teaCher wrote: Koreans are so smart, yet they want to hunt an endangered species????????? Makes no sense.... stop whaling, more sc... koreans are no smarter than the next nationality O_O also lol@ guy who said humans are a disgusting species as if he is on some upper echelon. No we aren't, we're a gr8 species O_O | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On July 06 2012 08:03 askTeivospy wrote: koreans are no smarter than the next nationality O_O also lol@ guy who said humans are a disgusting species as if he is on some upper echelon. No we aren't, we're a gr8 species O_O global statistics beg to differ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence but on topic, I don't see a problem with hunting whales as long as it doesn't endanger the population. It's kind of a cultural thing, in the west we're taught to love whales and that they're peaceful and majestic creatures and such. However, if the population can sustain being hunted, I see no problem with it. | ||
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