South Korea plans to resume whaling - Page 6

On July 05 2012 21:00 gugarutz wrote:


the strongest one there is

WE WILL SURVIVE .. yay

i dont think it's smart to hunt endangered species but this argument that humans are evil is just silly.

edit: 100th post wohoo

On July 06 2012 01:43 caradoc wrote:


humans are quite literally evil, and no argument could be made that humans are not evil since the concept of evil is internal to human society/discourse/thought.

I guess we could argue though that evil is just an aesthetic ideal that's internal to the mind of whoever is thinking it, and only gets applied to imaginary people, not actual people (i.e. I think you are evil, but it is not you who are 'evil' simply my concept of you), unless someone truly thinks themselves to be evil. Evil doesn't actually mean anything though. It's less a descriptive term, more a relational term that is applied to something to justify a range of relationships or stances one can take in regard to what it's being applied to.

We're also a lot of other things too.

But yeah, what about that whaling, damn. Hunting endangered intelligent species. Definitely not smart eh

EDIT: I guess not endangered, just below historic levels, and not recovered in some populations.

On July 05 2012 20:42 Bleak wrote:
Human is a disgusting species.

On July 06 2012 02:09 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Humans are the only animals that hunt for more than they need. Its disgusting.

On July 06 2012 01:43 caradoc wrote:


humans are quite literally evil, and no argument could be made that humans are not evil since the concept of evil is internal to human society/discourse/thought.

I guess we could argue though that evil is just an aesthetic ideal that's internal to the mind of whoever is thinking it, and only gets applied to imaginary people, not actual people (i.e. I think you are evil, but it is not you who are 'evil' simply my concept of you), unless someone truly thinks themselves to be evil. Evil doesn't actually mean anything though. It's less a descriptive term, more a relational term that is applied to something to justify a range of relationships or stances one can take in regard to what it's being applied to.

We're also a lot of other things too.

But yeah, what about that whaling, damn. Hunting endangered intelligent species. Definitely not smart eh

EDIT: I guess not endangered, just below historic levels, and not recovered in some populations.

On July 06 2012 02:15 Azarkon wrote:


Predators in nature waste a lot of meat each time they kill. Have you seen what happens after a lion takes down an antelope? The lion doesn't eat the entire antelope. It eats choice bites, then leaves the carcass for scavengers. A lot of scavengers have a niche because predators are wasteful.

Not just that, but there are predators besides humans who kill for 'pleasure'. Take cats, for example. There are a lot of well-fed pet cats who go after rats just because - they don't kill rats because they are hungry and need to eat; they kill them because they want to.

On July 06 2012 01:57 Thylacine wrote:
No problem as long as the whale species they hunt aren't endangered.

On July 06 2012 02:29 Masamune wrote:

Yes and in nature, most species are patriarchal and rape serves as an adaption. Does that mean we should just succumb to our primal behaviour because other species do and allow it to creep back into our society?

And fyi, predators in nature waste meat because they have no form of preservation like we do. Instead of carrying around a rotting piece of meat, it serves a better purpose to just hunt another animal again. The first humans in the Americas did this when they drove many species to extinction but I can't blame them because they didn't know any better and were trying to survive. We know better now so let's show it?

On July 06 2012 02:39 Azarkon wrote:


Being morally 'better' than animals is a human conceit; there is nothing 'animal' about it. But being a human conceit, it is comprehensibly only to other humans and in the context of our societies/cultures/ideologies. The statement that humans are 'evil' / 'disgusting' because we hunt whales has nothing to do with nature and everything to do with our social conceptions, which are not necessarily shared by other societies/cultures/ideologies.

My bringing this into this thread is to remind people how socially constructed their world views are. Animals never think about whether they're wasting food / driving prey into extinction / hunting for meat instead of pleasure / etc. People, living in modern, first world societies, who have been educated under the doctrines of environmentalism, and who are disconnected from the act of hunting and killing prey because all they experience is grocery store->kitchen->table, do.

Skip the moral blanketing about humans being bad, and talk about how SK is trying to violate an international treaty via a loophole, and we're better off for discussions. I don't see how pontificating about how bad humans are because we won't follow each other's socially constructed moral standards is going to help.

On July 06 2012 02:18 ZaaaaaM wrote:

I don't see how that adds anything to the discussion going on.

I'd definitely argue against "humans" being "evil". We lived in harmony with nature for many, many years before civilization started. I don't think any human being starts off evil, but its hard not to become evil in a disgusting society like ours.