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On June 19 2012 21:52 Probe1 wrote:Thanks girls for taking one step forward and two steps back. Okay so apparently the thread dies after I post this. Instead of leaving a shitty one liner I'll expound my initial response. When I saw this I thought of this. No real focus on the talent or level of skill. Just sex appeal and weird fans. Maybe if I was 15 instead of 25 I would approach this differently but, regrettably, I've had a lifetime of experience to dull the sensation of OMG TET TETS!. ^ If this was not the intention then I have to ask, why FHM? FHM is pretty much a softcore playboy. I wouldn't write a research paper and submit it to the national enquirer if I wanted to be respected for my views. I wouldn't appear in a sex-oriented periodical if I wanted to be judged on my personality or talent at Starcraft. So, that's the summary version of my views. You can cite the article being an intriguing interview with gamer girls but I don't think people will read them as closely as they will stare at cleavage. If that's what it takes to be noticed or at least the approach desired then that's fine by me. I rarely post or think about this subject. Just don't go back later and ask why women are underrepresented, objectified or poorly respected when you've willingly appeared in FHM. I'm not making an audacious claim that this instance is responsible. I just don't see how it could possibly help.
Whilst I don't read it, not even sure if you can get it in the UK, I've seen a playboy. Apart from the centrefold there weren't any girls in it, it was all just articles. I haven't seen an FHM, but if it's even more softcore then I can't see the issue.
Anyway, regardless, the content is nothing like "TET TETS", and the people included aren't like Tara Babcock (although Jessica Chobot tends too much towards that for my liking, she's nowhere near that).
Also, arguably, it's a great magazine to put it in because of the audience it targets. Perhaps by targeting males of a certain age it helps to legitimise female gamers by putting them in context as professionals with accurate writing. I really didn't think it was objectifying them in the article, and it put them across like they'd earned it not just because they might look pretty (apart from Chobot which it isn't possible to do so for... who I criticise again as a choice but then she's a big name).
TL;DR Good content, magazine doesn't matter. Shouldn't have chosen Chobot.
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On June 19 2012 17:28 kellymilkies wrote:
Hopefully I can get more articles into magazines! Maybe... do a shot of SC2 pros in Men's Health magazine. *sweats*
Just curious, what SC2 pros do you think would be a good fit for Men's Health?
Edit: And you can't say Nada, cause that's a given.
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On June 20 2012 00:00 metbull wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 17:28 kellymilkies wrote:
Hopefully I can get more articles into magazines! Maybe... do a shot of SC2 pros in Men's Health magazine. *sweats*
Just curious, what SC2 pros do you think would be a good fit for Men's Health? Edit: And you can't say Nada, cause that's a given.
Naniwa ofc
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Who are these no names? I haven't heard of any of them except Jessica Chobot and Anna Prosser.
Where's Felicia Day?
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Great article!
Apparently all the nay-sayers were too busy being negative nannys to notice what the actual only negative of the piece is:
![[image loading]](http://s16.postimage.org/gtadgcj2d/nicegame1.jpg)
NO CONSOLE, NO WIRES INTO THE TV, BLACK SCREEN.
wwwwwwhhhhhyyyyy?
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On June 20 2012 00:13 DhakhaR wrote:Great article! Apparently all the nay-sayers were too busy being negative nannys to notice what the actual only negative of the piece is: NO CONSOLE, NO WIRES INTO THE TV, BLACK SCREEN. wwwwwwhhhhhyyyyy?
wireless controllers, the console is actually in the kitchen and they have a privacy screen thing on the tv, so that people cant see what they're playing.
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lol...why does it seem that some members of the "sc2 community" harbor some kind of bitterness or resentment towards females? It is impossible to divorce the fact that they are gamers from the fact that they are also female. If their gender (or appearance) makes you uncomfortable the fault is completely your own. If you are unable to "respect them" or "take them seriously" that's your fault, not theirs.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 19 2012 21:52 Probe1 wrote:Thanks girls for taking one step forward and two steps back. Okay so apparently the thread dies after I post this. Instead of leaving a shitty one liner I'll expound my initial response. When I saw this I thought of this. No real focus on the talent or level of skill. Just sex appeal and weird fans. Maybe if I was 15 instead of 25 I would approach this differently but, regrettably, I've had a lifetime of experience to dull the sensation of OMG TET TETS!. ^ If this was not the intention then I have to ask, why FHM? FHM is pretty much a softcore playboy. I wouldn't write a research paper and submit it to the national enquirer if I wanted to be respected for my views. I wouldn't appear in a sex-oriented periodical if I wanted to be judged on my personality or talent at Starcraft. So, that's the summary version of my views. You can cite the article being an intriguing interview with gamer girls but I don't think people will read them as closely as they will stare at cleavage. If that's what it takes to be noticed or at least the approach desired then that's fine by me. I rarely post or think about this subject. Just don't go back later and ask why women are underrepresented, objectified or poorly respected when you've willingly appeared in FHM. I'm not making an audacious claim that this instance is responsible. I just don't see how it could possibly help.
I totally agree with you on this Probe1. No offense kelly, but I'm not sensitive to this kind of article at all. I don't think it emphasizes the "life of gamer girl" and It's for me more like of a "oh some pretty girl play video games, go nerds buy this paper right now !". I don't think it does justice for your gender imo.
As an avid LoL player (yaeh you can blame me for that ^^), I'm quite annoyed to see many girl livestreams with boobs all over the screen. If you want to be considered as a good gamer that wants to earn some respect, you've gotta show your skills and try to improve instead of showing boobs and begging to get carried by higher elo male player to make you look cool.
For me, and I'm not sexist or anything else (I think!), but when i see Rachel Quirico in a very short dress having some interviews with some LoL players, It feels weird to me. It seems too "cliché" . You can have the same girls, it's not a problem for me, but I'd rather seeing those girls being more "natural" (like anna, who I think always looks natural when I see her on some video) than being there only for exposure.
Once again, I don't mean to be offensive to the "girls", just my opinion.
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On June 20 2012 00:34 xjoehammerx wrote:
lol...why does it seem that some members of the "sc2 community" harbor some kind of bitterness or resentment towards females? It is impossible to divorce the fact that they are gamers from the fact that they are also female. If their gender (or appearance) makes you uncomfortable the fault is completely your own. If you are unable to "respect them" or "take them seriously" that's your fault, not theirs.
Man, when I'm doing a lecture to some students, I don't come to them dressing like a party boy. If i want respect from them, I need to give them what they're looking for, in my case, culture and not modeling.
It's not the fact that they're female, it's the fact that many times, they're putting their "look" and "pretty face" before their actual knowledge. Once again, if they were models and that we were watching a "Christian Dior" show, it would be perfectly fine, but it's video games and they're gamers/casters.
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On June 20 2012 00:21 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 00:13 DhakhaR wrote:Great article! Apparently all the nay-sayers were too busy being negative nannys to notice what the actual only negative of the piece is: NO CONSOLE, NO WIRES INTO THE TV, BLACK SCREEN. wwwwwwhhhhhyyyyy? wireless controllers, the console is actually in the kitchen and they have a privacy screen thing on the tv, so that people cant see what they're playing.
I noticed this too and figured it was probably glare/console under the desk, but then it's just bad photography. There's no excuse for the console not to be on the other side under the desk so it's visable or take the shot from another angle so you can see what's on the tv.
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On June 19 2012 21:52 Probe1 wrote:Thanks girls for taking one step forward and two steps back. Okay so apparently the thread dies after I post this. Instead of leaving a shitty one liner I'll expound my initial response. When I saw this I thought of this. No real focus on the talent or level of skill. Just sex appeal and weird fans. Maybe if I was 15 instead of 25 I would approach this differently but, regrettably, I've had a lifetime of experience to dull the sensation of OMG TET TETS!. ^ If this was not the intention then I have to ask, why FHM? FHM is pretty much a softcore playboy. I wouldn't write a research paper and submit it to the national enquirer if I wanted to be respected for my views. I wouldn't appear in a sex-oriented periodical if I wanted to be judged on my personality or talent at Starcraft. So, that's the summary version of my views. You can cite the article being an intriguing interview with gamer girls but I don't think people will read them as closely as they will stare at cleavage. If that's what it takes to be noticed or at least the approach desired then that's fine by me. I rarely post or think about this subject. Just don't go back later and ask why women are underrepresented, objectified or poorly respected when you've willingly appeared in FHM. I'm not making an audacious claim that this instance is responsible. I just don't see how it could possibly help.
Dude.
Tits.
On a more serious note, I actually agree with you. Especially the bolded sentence.
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Great article Kelly! I'm glad to see the fragdolls getting some love.
Random question, are you going to Seattle with Loda and Zenith for the International 2?
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On June 20 2012 01:05 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 00:21 zev318 wrote:On June 20 2012 00:13 DhakhaR wrote:Great article! Apparently all the nay-sayers were too busy being negative nannys to notice what the actual only negative of the piece is: NO CONSOLE, NO WIRES INTO THE TV, BLACK SCREEN. wwwwwwhhhhhyyyyy? wireless controllers, the console is actually in the kitchen and they have a privacy screen thing on the tv, so that people cant see what they're playing. I noticed this too and figured it was probably glare/console under the desk, but then it's just bad photography. There's no excuse for the console not to be on the other side under the desk so it's visable or take the shot from another angle so you can see what's on the tv.
When I said no wires I meant no wires plugged into the TV. Lets see you figure THAT one out 
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Good article but you forgot to include the girliest of them all, Kimberly Taek Yong.
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maybe probe1 should write that article and sent it to Times, or maybe make a video and put it on CNN..
Things need to grow step by step or maybe eSports needs probe1 writing and publishing skills..
sick of people that don't do shit always hating when someone actually does something..
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On June 20 2012 00:34 xjoehammerx wrote:
lol...why does it seem that some members of the "sc2 community" harbor some kind of bitterness or resentment towards females? It is impossible to divorce the fact that they are gamers from the fact that they are also female. If their gender (or appearance) makes you uncomfortable the fault is completely your own. If you are unable to "respect them" or "take them seriously" that's your fault, not theirs.
It's become somewhat fashionable (though lord knows why) for girls to label themself as a "geeky girl" in today's society. Our problem is with pretty faces who say this to garner more attention. But unless you know what THAC0 means, or who Grand Moff Tarkin is, or what a dopefish was, then you're not a geeky girl... you're just someone who plays videogames, like pretty much 90% of people under age 30.
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There is no such thing as bad publicity so i realy dont understand how people can complain that this is bad for women or sc.
"Just don't go back later and ask why women are underrepresented, objectified or poorly respected when you've willingly appeared in FHM"
What for effect has an article in FHM on the amount of women playing sc????
None as far as i know, at least i dont see it.
Most women (read 99.99%)dont even read the magazine, and i doubt sc community will evolve in a sex hungry women chasing community just because of an article in FHM.
If annything its just good publicity.
Gamers have a nerdy image, this article will only improve the image by showing that you dont have to be a nerd to like games.
annyway:They forgot megumi
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