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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:37 Swazi Spring wrote: Stealing: To take (another person's property) without permission. Tax: A compulsory contribution to state revenue. Swazi, his point is that the definition of "stealing" isn't the kind of thing that can be a fact, even if you think it's true. | ||
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madsweepslol
161 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:30 Swazi Spring wrote: I didn't say I am opposed to taxes. I support reasonable taxes, but I recognize the fact that they are theft. Social contract. There's always Somalia if you don't agree with the idea. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:37 Swazi Spring wrote: Stealing: To take (another person's property) without permission. Tax: A compulsory contribution to state revenue. Stealing/theft is usually defined as unlawful taking. Taxes are lawful. I'd say taxes = theft is a pretty dumb slogan. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46649 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:37 Swazi Spring wrote: Stealing: To take (another person's property) without permission. Tax: A compulsory contribution to state revenue. What is public education and who are public servants to you, exactly? | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:37 Swazi Spring wrote: Stealing: To take (another person's property) without permission. Tax: A compulsory contribution to state revenue. Did you just take this definition from the Oxford dictionary? Because here's the actual full definition for "to steal": "to take (another person’s property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it". Sorry, there's nothing factual about claiming taxes are theft. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:38 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Never mind that our tax rates remain relatively low compared to much of the rest of the developed world and our upper brackets pay substantially less now than they did for around 50 straight years prior to the mid 80s. I guess 2 generations never noticed the obvious thievery... We're spoiled kids. | ||
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Tarot
Canada440 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:41 kwizach wrote: Did you just take this definition from Oxford dictionary? Because here's the actual full definition for "to steal": "to take (another person’s property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it". Sorry, there's nothing factual about claiming taxes are theft. Hilarious omission. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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armada[sb]
United States432 Posts
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:40 madsweepslol wrote: Social contract. There's always Somalia if you don't agree with the idea. then he'll get to see what real theft is like | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote: I'm convinced that swazi is trolling at this point. me too | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
primae noctis anyone? | ||
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:43 sam!zdat wrote: The dictionary is irrelevant. "theft" can't be a fact. I don't think anyone is claiming that non-truth-evaluable particles of discourse, such as the word 'theft', can be a fact. Whether or not a given action constitutes a theft seems like a perfect candidate for being a fact though, even if you misguidedly build epistemology into your definition of 'fact'. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:45 Souma wrote: I'm starting to wonder if Swazi is dvorakftw or something. Shhh..... don't dig.  Government is the sole moral authority apparently. I can't wait for the state to define murder according to it's own terms. Oh, wait.... | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:46 frogrubdown wrote: I don't think anyone is claiming that non-truth-evaluable particles of discourse, such as the word 'theft', can be a fact. Whether or not a given action constitutes a theft seems like a perfect candidate for being a fact though. Even if you misguidedly build epistemology into your definition of 'fact'. No, it can be a fact that a given action meets the definition of "theft" within a particular discursive community, but that an action is a theft cannot be a fact: it is an ethical claim and therefore not a fact by definition. edit: this is independent of the relativeness or non- of morality | ||
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Swazi Spring
United States415 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote: I'm convinced that swazi is trolling at this point. Why in the world would you think that? | ||
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sevencck
Canada705 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:48 sam!zdat wrote: No, it can be a fact that a given action meets the definition of "theft" within a particular discursive community, but that an action is a theft cannot be a fact: it is an ethical claim and therefore not a fact by definition. edit: this is independent of the relativeness or non- of morality He and I have had this discussion already. I don't believe he buys into it. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
 I mean, we're all not that dumb, we all know what he was trying to say. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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