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I don't understand. Are you afraid he will apologize or do you think he has already?
"No acts of terror" will shake U.S. resolve, Obama said a day after Chris Stevens and the others were killed.
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"Make no mistake. Justice will be done," the president said in brief statement made outside the White House with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None."
Because this doesn't sound like an apology to me. It's not "Go to hell." But it's certainly not an apology.
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I disagree. That's us proving to the rest of the world how much better we are than them, because we don't need to sink to such petty levels.
Edit: What I'm responding to.
On September 13 2012 03:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. I'll let Krauthammer respond for me: Show nested quote +“That statement is an embarrassment,” Krauthammer said. “That’s a hostage statement. That’s a mob of al-Qaida sympathizers in Egypt forcing the United States into making a statement essentially of apology — on 9/11 of all days — for something of which we are not responsible. I would issue a statement saying to the mob, ‘Go to hell.’ The way America works, the way a democracy works, is that everybody has a right to express themselves. We don’t police our speech and you ought to apologize to the United States for storming an embassy and the violation of the ultimate sacred principle of democracy, which is protecting embassies and missions abroad. For the U.S. to what, essentially, issue a veiled apology, I think is disgraceful.” Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/11/krauthammer-rips-us-embassy-in-egypt-says-appropriate-statement-to-mob-would-be-go-to-hell-video/#ixzz26HbLv71a
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On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. Show nested quote +The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source.
I think the Embassy, seeing there was an armed contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives.
That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit.
"Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions."
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On September 13 2012 03:56 Falling wrote:I don't understand. Are you afraid he will apologize or do you think he has already? Show nested quote +"No acts of terror" will shake U.S. resolve, Obama said a day after Chris Stevens and the others were killed.
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"Make no mistake. Justice will be done," the president said in brief statement made outside the White House with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None." Because this doesn't sound like an apology to me. It's not "Go to hell." But it's certainly not an apology.
I'm saying that the State Department already did. What Obama said today is not what the State Department said yesterday. There's definitely been a change of tune.
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On September 13 2012 03:59 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 03:56 Falling wrote:I don't understand. Are you afraid he will apologize or do you think he has already? "No acts of terror" will shake U.S. resolve, Obama said a day after Chris Stevens and the others were killed.
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"Make no mistake. Justice will be done," the president said in brief statement made outside the White House with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None." Because this doesn't sound like an apology to me. It's not "Go to hell." But it's certainly not an apology. I'm saying that the State Department already did. What Obama said today is not what the State Department said yesterday. There's definitely been a change of tune.
To me, the embassy statement is no different from the kind of BS statement a hostage makes in an effort keep themselves a live.
I mean, they're diplomats. Not Rambo. They were probably pissing themselves over there.
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On September 13 2012 03:59 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 03:56 Falling wrote:I don't understand. Are you afraid he will apologize or do you think he has already? "No acts of terror" will shake U.S. resolve, Obama said a day after Chris Stevens and the others were killed.
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"Make no mistake. Justice will be done," the president said in brief statement made outside the White House with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None." Because this doesn't sound like an apology to me. It's not "Go to hell." But it's certainly not an apology. I'm saying that the State Department already did. What Obama said today is not what the State Department said yesterday. There's definitely been a change of tune.
Probably has to do with the whole thing about the State Department statement being released before the attacks.
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On September 13 2012 03:58 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source. I think the Embassy, seeing there was a heavily contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives. That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit. "Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions."
And where's the part that goes something like this: "Get the fuck out of our embassy before we gun you down for committing an act of war on US soil."
And that's the point. That's why this is so outrageous. Where the hell was the Egyptian government? It's their job to keep shit like this from happening so as to prevent a diplomatic incident.
I don't blame Obama for this, but we are really, really going to rue to the Arab Spring and the changes that it has brought to many of these countries -- Egypt above all.
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1. That statement is not an apology. I love how you complain that Jon Stewart of all people strawmans the ideas of conservatives, yet the Romney campaign very lifeline in terms of foreign policy is strawmanning the Obama administration's actions and discourses at every turn (come to think of it, the same thing is true about domestic policy - see the "we built that" campaign).
2. The statement came before the attack, not after. It was a diplomatic move aimed at easing the tentions. It had, literally, nothing to do with the attacks - they would have happened just the same was it not for the statement.
3. Obama and the White House condemned the statement.
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It's like I'm invisible T_T
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On September 13 2012 04:03 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 03:58 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source. I think the Embassy, seeing there was a heavily contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives. That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit. "Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." And where's the part that goes something like this: "Get the fuck out of our embassy before we gun you down for committing an act of war on US soil."
LOL. They're Embassy staff. Not Tony Soprano.
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On September 13 2012 04:08 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 04:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:58 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source. I think the Embassy, seeing there was a heavily contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives. That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit. "Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." And where's the part that goes something like this: "Get the fuck out of our embassy before we gun you down for committing an act of war on US soil." LOL. They're Embassy staff. Not Tony Soprano.
True, but he raises a good point. Why aren't these people being gunned down by marines stationed there when people storm through the gates?
Edit: I know this seems harsh, but due to actions in that part of the world I would support a machine gun just mowing down anyone who stepped across onto embassy soil when in a mob storming the embassy.
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On September 13 2012 04:10 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 04:08 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 04:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:58 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source. I think the Embassy, seeing there was a heavily contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives. That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit. "Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." And where's the part that goes something like this: "Get the fuck out of our embassy before we gun you down for committing an act of war on US soil." LOL. They're Embassy staff. Not Tony Soprano. True, but he raises a good point. Why aren't these people being gunned down by marines stationed there when people storm through the gates? Edit: I know this seems harsh, but due to actions in that part of the world I would support a machine gun just mowing down anyone who stepped across onto embassy soil when in a mob storming the embassy.
Because then the U.S. diplomatic mission would be expelled from Egypt and possibly other countries, depriving us of efficient diplomatic relations and a crucial source of intelligence gathering.
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On September 13 2012 04:07 kwizach wrote:
1. That statement is not an apology. I love how you complain that Jon Stewart of all people strawmans the ideas of conservatives, yet the Romney campaign very lifeline in terms of foreign policy is strawmanning the Obama administration's actions and discourses at every turn (come to think of it, the same thing is true about domestic policy - see the "we built that" campaign).
2. The statement came before the attack, not after. It was a diplomatic move aimed at easing the tentions. It had, literally, nothing to do with the attacks - they would have happened just the same was it not for the statement.
3. Obama and the White House condemned the statement.
If that statement from the embassy/State Department was issued without Obama's knowledge or sanction, good for him. I really hope that he puts fire to the feet of the Egyptian government. In particular, we need to revisit the issue of the billions of dollars of aid that we give them.
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On September 13 2012 04:16 HunterX11 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 04:10 Risen wrote:On September 13 2012 04:08 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 04:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:58 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source. I think the Embassy, seeing there was a heavily contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives. That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit. "Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." And where's the part that goes something like this: "Get the fuck out of our embassy before we gun you down for committing an act of war on US soil." LOL. They're Embassy staff. Not Tony Soprano. True, but he raises a good point. Why aren't these people being gunned down by marines stationed there when people storm through the gates? Edit: I know this seems harsh, but due to actions in that part of the world I would support a machine gun just mowing down anyone who stepped across onto embassy soil when in a mob storming the embassy. Because then the U.S. diplomatic mission would be expelled from Egypt and possibly other countries, depriving us of efficient diplomatic relations and a crucial source of intelligence gathering.
You don't get it. Storming another nation's embassy is among the biggest of diplomatic no nos.
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On September 13 2012 04:17 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 04:16 HunterX11 wrote:On September 13 2012 04:10 Risen wrote:On September 13 2012 04:08 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 04:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:58 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source. I think the Embassy, seeing there was a heavily contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives. That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit. "Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." And where's the part that goes something like this: "Get the fuck out of our embassy before we gun you down for committing an act of war on US soil." LOL. They're Embassy staff. Not Tony Soprano. True, but he raises a good point. Why aren't these people being gunned down by marines stationed there when people storm through the gates? Edit: I know this seems harsh, but due to actions in that part of the world I would support a machine gun just mowing down anyone who stepped across onto embassy soil when in a mob storming the embassy. Because then the U.S. diplomatic mission would be expelled from Egypt and possibly other countries, depriving us of efficient diplomatic relations and a crucial source of intelligence gathering. You don't get it. Storming another nation's embassy is among the biggest of diplomatic no nos.
It might be a huge problem but gunning down civilians of any country justfied or not will not exactly endear oneself to the government and would lead to them expelling the US embassy and would do pretty much exactly what the previous poster said.
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This sort of reminds me of the Whiskey Rebellion, only with the opposite results.
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On September 13 2012 04:10 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 04:08 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 04:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:58 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source. I think the Embassy, seeing there was a heavily contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives. That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit. "Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." And where's the part that goes something like this: "Get the fuck out of our embassy before we gun you down for committing an act of war on US soil." LOL. They're Embassy staff. Not Tony Soprano. True, but he raises a good point. Why aren't these people being gunned down by marines stationed there when people storm through the gates? Edit: I know this seems harsh, but due to actions in that part of the world I would support a machine gun just mowing down anyone who stepped across onto embassy soil when in a mob storming the embassy.
Honestly, I think xDaunt has a point -- normally foreign law enforcement would be more competent and stable and able to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
All these US embassies in Muslim countries need to ramp up their security, stat.
Also, I think most of you have a misconception of the mentality and behaviour of mobs, and why law enforcement has such a hard time dealing with them. Most mobs are spurred on by a handful or dangerous instigators, but the grand majority of 'the mob' are simply onlookers and looky-loos. They're the 'audience' for the few criminals and perpetrators that get caught up in the hysteria and attention of all these people.
That's why instead of 'mowing them down' a police force's highest priority is making the mob spread and disperse.
The only reason I know this is because my city had a riot after they lost the Stanley Cup, lol. A lot of the same people that were part of the 'mob' provided the police with the photos and evidence to identify and press charges against actual rioters.
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I'm imagining Krauthammer's family reunion. One of his distant relative's children keys the neighbor's car when no one's looking, except the neighbor. The neighbor comes over, obviously livid, to complain about it.
Krauthammer is the type of person who would say, "It's not my fault, you don't have any right to talk to me like that, this is my personal property so get out and go to hell."
That's so far from the proper way to diffuse that sort of situation it's not even funny.
On September 13 2012 04:17 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 04:16 HunterX11 wrote:On September 13 2012 04:10 Risen wrote:On September 13 2012 04:08 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 04:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:58 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source. I think the Embassy, seeing there was a heavily contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives. That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit. "Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." And where's the part that goes something like this: "Get the fuck out of our embassy before we gun you down for committing an act of war on US soil." LOL. They're Embassy staff. Not Tony Soprano. True, but he raises a good point. Why aren't these people being gunned down by marines stationed there when people storm through the gates? Edit: I know this seems harsh, but due to actions in that part of the world I would support a machine gun just mowing down anyone who stepped across onto embassy soil when in a mob storming the embassy. Because then the U.S. diplomatic mission would be expelled from Egypt and possibly other countries, depriving us of efficient diplomatic relations and a crucial source of intelligence gathering. You don't get it. Storming another nation's embassy is among the biggest of diplomatic no nos.
Gunning down another country's civilians is also among the biggest diplomatic no nos. If the Cairo embassy had been more trigger happy we'd essentially have a diplomatic standoff, we'd be pissed about the breach of our sovereignty and Egypt would be pissed about the casualties we caused. Moreover, the use of violence could have easily made the Cairo situation much worse, resulting in American casualties.
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Do the Libyan/Egyptian embassies have the manpower/ammunition to properly repel a several thousand strong crowd, if they were armed with RPGs/ak-47s?
Edit: Not that I am saying they should or should not.
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On September 13 2012 04:23 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 04:10 Risen wrote:On September 13 2012 04:08 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 04:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:58 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him. Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again. Link plz. I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents. Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history? It's such a crap argument, dude. The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. Source. I think the Embassy, seeing there was a heavily contingent of protestors on the verge of storming them, was trying to save their own lives. That being said, the statement is poorly worded, clunky and not American enough. Here's my totally awesome edit. "Free speech is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, The Embassy of the United States in Cairo firmly rejects the efforts by of some to purposefully offend the religious belief of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." And where's the part that goes something like this: "Get the fuck out of our embassy before we gun you down for committing an act of war on US soil." LOL. They're Embassy staff. Not Tony Soprano. True, but he raises a good point. Why aren't these people being gunned down by marines stationed there when people storm through the gates? Edit: I know this seems harsh, but due to actions in that part of the world I would support a machine gun just mowing down anyone who stepped across onto embassy soil when in a mob storming the embassy. Honestly, I think xDaunt has a point -- normally foreign law enforcement would be more competent and stable and able to prevent this kind of thing from happening. All these US embassies in Muslim countries need to ramp up their security, stat. Also, I think most of you have a misconception of the mentality and behaviour of mobs, and why law enforcement has such a hard time dealing with them. Most mobs are spurred on by a handful or dangerous instigators, but the grand majority of 'the mob' are simply onlookers and looky-loos. They're the 'audience' for the few criminals and perpetrators that get caught up in the hysteria and attention of all these people. That's why instead of 'mowing them down' a police force's highest priority is making the mob spread and disperse. The only reason I know this is because my city had a riot after they lost the Stanley Cup, lol. A lot of the same people that were part of the 'mob' provided the police with the photos and evidence to identify and press charges against actual rioters.
Hence only mow down the ones who step foot on US soil.
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