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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Poltergeist-
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden336 Posts
September 12 2012 10:12 GMT
#9841
On September 12 2012 18:53 Frostlone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,

Vote Obama.

Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world.

so true so true...

Dear Rest of the World,

Mind your own business.

Sincerely,
America
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
September 12 2012 10:18 GMT
#9842
On September 12 2012 13:10 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 13:03 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:24 Silidons wrote:
Does fox news really even try anymore? Anyone see this?
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/fri-september-7-2012/hope-and-change-2---last-week-this-week

It's just fucking sad.


bahahahaha

seriously, fox should try to hire jon stewart. at least he wouldn't make them look like fools/ would point out some of their inconsistencies so they wouldn't make fools of themselves.

Jon Stewart is really damned funny, but you do realize that his entire schtick is basically predicated upon strawmanning the piss out of what conservatives/republicans/fox say and then taking most of that out of context, right?

Not really, no. Using short clips to highlight a few points is not tantamount to taking them out of context. Where in the video does he strawman or take out of context what the Fox news reporters are saying?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
September 12 2012 10:22 GMT
#9843
On September 12 2012 19:12 Poltergeist- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 18:53 Frostlone wrote:
On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,

Vote Obama.

Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world.

so true so true...

Dear Rest of the World,

Mind your own business.

Sincerely,
America


American foreign policy is our business.

Discussing internal policy is just for fun, though.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
September 12 2012 10:25 GMT
#9844
On September 12 2012 19:22 HellRoxYa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 19:12 Poltergeist- wrote:
On September 12 2012 18:53 Frostlone wrote:
On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,

Vote Obama.

Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world.

so true so true...

Dear Rest of the World,

Mind your own business.

Sincerely,
America


American foreign policy is our business.

Discussing internal policy is just for fun, though.


The American economy is very much everyone's business as well.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
September 12 2012 11:34 GMT
#9845
How big of an issue will the killing of the ambassador become?

Just saw on CNN that Gingrich is comparing it to the hostage situation that Carter/Reagan dealt with.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 12 2012 11:44 GMT
#9846
It's pretty different from the hostage situation. The hostage situation lasted for over a year and ended up with a failed military mission. This... there are no hostages; an Ambassador is dead, and we most likely will not have to intervene militarily, as long as Libya does their job in apprehending the perpetrators.
Writer
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21863 Posts
September 12 2012 12:03 GMT
#9847
On September 12 2012 09:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 09:08 HunterX11 wrote:
On September 12 2012 09:00 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On September 12 2012 08:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Robert Scheer reminds us who Clinton is:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_great_deregulator_20120910/#

Basically sums up my feelings when I saw him take the stage.


I dunno during office when you look at what he did it is hard to argue he wasn't a good president during his period in office.


Just because the mess he helped create didn't take hold until he was out of office doesn't mean it's okay. If not for the 22nd amendment he'd probably have been re-elected and would've been around when the shit hit the fan (then again he probably also would have prevented 9/11 so there's that).

The guy who passed up multiple opportunities to kill bin Laden would have prevented 9/11? Not only is this a hilariously stupid statement, but do you realize what today is?


A bit old but i happened to be asleep. I will direct you to this little gem http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY
Clinton was hunting Obama before any other. He had all the plans to go after him but intelligence wasn't willing to go on record that bin laden was a threat. Clinton did everything he legally could to get to the guy.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
September 12 2012 12:46 GMT
#9848
On September 12 2012 21:03 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 09:16 xDaunt wrote:
On September 12 2012 09:08 HunterX11 wrote:
On September 12 2012 09:00 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On September 12 2012 08:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Robert Scheer reminds us who Clinton is:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_great_deregulator_20120910/#

Basically sums up my feelings when I saw him take the stage.


I dunno during office when you look at what he did it is hard to argue he wasn't a good president during his period in office.


Just because the mess he helped create didn't take hold until he was out of office doesn't mean it's okay. If not for the 22nd amendment he'd probably have been re-elected and would've been around when the shit hit the fan (then again he probably also would have prevented 9/11 so there's that).

The guy who passed up multiple opportunities to kill bin Laden would have prevented 9/11? Not only is this a hilariously stupid statement, but do you realize what today is?


A bit old but i happened to be asleep. I will direct you to this little gem http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY
Clinton was hunting Obama before any other. He had all the plans to go after him but intelligence wasn't willing to go on record that bin laden was a threat. Clinton did everything he legally could to get to the guy.



oh damn, fox got schooled :D
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Infernal Knight
Profile Joined July 2012
United States557 Posts
September 12 2012 12:52 GMT
#9849
On September 12 2012 20:34 Saryph wrote:
How big of an issue will the killing of the ambassador become?

Just saw on CNN that Gingrich is comparing it to the hostage situation that Carter/Reagan dealt with.


Not much, I suspect. It's a diplomatic incident, to be sure, and presumably the new Libyan government isn't stupid enough to risk relations with the US like that. The Republicans might try to hype it up to show some weakness of Obama's or what not, but I feel like any moves into foreign policy are losers. Funny how for the first time in decades it seems like the Democrats have the stronger position on this.

The hostage situation was different because it went on and on and on, making Carter look weak. There wasn't even any buildup to this - just a diplomat got whacked, and now there'll be fallout, and it'll probably be done within a week unless it somehow blows up into something bigger.
"It's like you were running away from bears, except that the bears have the power to make forcefields." - QxC
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
September 12 2012 13:20 GMT
#9850
On September 12 2012 21:52 Infernal Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 20:34 Saryph wrote:
How big of an issue will the killing of the ambassador become?

Just saw on CNN that Gingrich is comparing it to the hostage situation that Carter/Reagan dealt with.


Not much, I suspect. It's a diplomatic incident, to be sure, and presumably the new Libyan government isn't stupid enough to risk relations with the US like that. The Republicans might try to hype it up to show some weakness of Obama's or what not, but I feel like any moves into foreign policy are losers. Funny how for the first time in decades it seems like the Democrats have the stronger position on this.

The hostage situation was different because it went on and on and on, making Carter look weak. There wasn't even any buildup to this - just a diplomat got whacked, and now there'll be fallout, and it'll probably be done within a week unless it somehow blows up into something bigger.


Romney campaign is already trying to. They condemned Obama for "apologizing" for this tragedy due to a statement from the Cairo embassy that was released before both incidents occurred.
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
September 12 2012 14:33 GMT
#9851
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 15:55:31
September 12 2012 15:15 GMT
#9852
It;s not like Obama could really have done anything to prevent the deaths.

Fucking piece of shit scumbag. He does this inflammatory shit for attention. Is he happy now? Americans are dead and Muslims are pissy.

I'm sorry for the profanity, but that guy makes me so angry.

And really Romney? Apologizing for our values? What value? The value to insult another culture? Pathetic.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
September 12 2012 17:19 GMT
#9853
On September 13 2012 00:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
And really Romney? Apologizing for our values? What value? The value to insult another culture? Pathetic.

free speech is an American value...
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 12 2012 17:47 GMT
#9854
On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him.

Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again.
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
September 12 2012 18:07 GMT
#9855
On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him.

Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again.


Much better than invading a country, that's for sure. Conservatives can't go one day without dick waving.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 12 2012 18:41 GMT
#9856
On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him.

Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/31/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-said-barack-obama-began-his-presidency/
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 12 2012 18:41 GMT
#9857
On September 13 2012 03:07 TOloseGT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him.

Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again.


Much better than invading a country, that's for sure. Conservatives can't go one day without dick waving.

I don't understand why it is good policy to apologize to the assholes who are storming our embassy while they are storming our embassy.

Besides, it's looking more and more like the State Department didn't even apologize for the right "offense."
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 18:46:50
September 12 2012 18:42 GMT
#9858
On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him.

Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again.


Link plz.

I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents.

Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history?

It's such a crap argument, dude.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 12 2012 18:48 GMT
#9859
On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him.

Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again.


Link plz.

I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents.

Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history?

It's such a crap argument, dude.

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

Source.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 12 2012 18:50 GMT
#9860
On September 13 2012 03:42 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
On September 12 2012 23:33 Saryph wrote:
It really seems like Romney just politicized this issue with his speech, I wish he would have given a speech similar to what Sec. Clinton gave before him.

Romney was absolutely correct to give the comments that he gave regarding the statement released by the State Department yesterday. That statement was disgraceful. Anyway, game on with the "world apology tour" stuff again.


Link plz.

I obviously have an opinion but would like to see this actual statement first before I chime in with my two cents.

Edit: And your going on about this 'Apology' BS again? Come on. Since when is acknowledging that two nations have had their share of conflicts and differences an apology? Jesus. Since when did American exceptionalism include the God-given right to revise world history?

It's such a crap argument, dude.

I'll let Krauthammer respond for me:

“That statement is an embarrassment,” Krauthammer said. “That’s a hostage statement. That’s a mob of al-Qaida sympathizers in Egypt forcing the United States into making a statement essentially of apology — on 9/11 of all days — for something of which we are not responsible. I would issue a statement saying to the mob, ‘Go to hell.’ The way America works, the way a democracy works, is that everybody has a right to express themselves. We don’t police our speech and you ought to apologize to the United States for storming an embassy and the violation of the ultimate sacred principle of democracy, which is protecting embassies and missions abroad. For the U.S. to what, essentially, issue a veiled apology, I think is disgraceful.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/11/krauthammer-rips-us-embassy-in-egypt-says-appropriate-statement-to-mob-would-be-go-to-hell-video/#ixzz26HbLv71a

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