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On August 31 2012 12:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:05 Roe wrote:On August 31 2012 12:01 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 12:00 BluePanther wrote:On August 31 2012 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 11:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On August 31 2012 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Why do American jobs pay so little? 9 bucks an hour? my friends who work as dishwashers for local restaurants get paid more then that. The employers are even nice enough to pay everyone above the minimum wage. Depends where you live. The cost of living is not uniform across the US / Canada. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. The highest minimum wage is in Washington state at $9.04/hour. The lowest is Georgia/Wyoming at $5.15/hour or $2.13/hour for employees that receive tips. Even at Washington's minimum wage, you would be very hard-pressed to live off of 40 hours/week in any part of the country. $9.04 x 2080 = 18.8k a year. If you can't live on that, you're simply living beyond your means... Can YOU live off that? Depends on what the rent is (it's too damn high!), but your calculation should really just be rent+groceries+transport(bus/transit/bike, not car). i gave myself a pretty decent apartment and entertainment expenses(video games, movies etc) and ended up at 20, 400$. What is your budget, such that you can't live off 20,000 a year? Don't forget bills.
What bills?
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On August 31 2012 12:04 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 11:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On August 31 2012 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Why do American jobs pay so little? 9 bucks an hour? my friends who work as dishwashers for local restaurants get paid more then that. The employers are even nice enough to pay everyone above the minimum wage. Depends where you live. The cost of living is not uniform across the US / Canada. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. The highest minimum wage is in Washington state at $9.04/hour. The lowest is Georgia/Wyoming at $5.15/hour or $2.13/hour for employees that receive tips. Even at Washington's minimum wage, you would be very hard-pressed to live off of 40 hours/week in any part of the country. Not true. Some places rent is pretty low. 2 bdrm house in the Catskills: http://catskills.craigslist.org/apa/3240533529.htmlRent is $400/mo get a roommate and that's just $200/mo for each of you. $9/hr wouldn't be so bad with rent that low.
Look again, that poster is an obvious scammer and every single other unique listing is substantially higher.
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On August 31 2012 12:05 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:03 Defacer wrote:
I'm sorry, but what tax increase did Obama propose on small business? Obamacare.
oooooooooooooohhhhh kaaaaayyyyy
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On August 31 2012 12:07 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 12:05 Roe wrote:On August 31 2012 12:01 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 12:00 BluePanther wrote:On August 31 2012 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 11:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On August 31 2012 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Why do American jobs pay so little? 9 bucks an hour? my friends who work as dishwashers for local restaurants get paid more then that. The employers are even nice enough to pay everyone above the minimum wage. Depends where you live. The cost of living is not uniform across the US / Canada. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. The highest minimum wage is in Washington state at $9.04/hour. The lowest is Georgia/Wyoming at $5.15/hour or $2.13/hour for employees that receive tips. Even at Washington's minimum wage, you would be very hard-pressed to live off of 40 hours/week in any part of the country. $9.04 x 2080 = 18.8k a year. If you can't live on that, you're simply living beyond your means... Can YOU live off that? Depends on what the rent is (it's too damn high!), but your calculation should really just be rent+groceries+transport(bus/transit/bike, not car). i gave myself a pretty decent apartment and entertainment expenses(video games, movies etc) and ended up at 20, 400$. What is your budget, such that you can't live off 20,000 a year? Don't forget bills. What bills?
Hydro, heat, phone/internet/ garbage, etc I'd imagine.
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How did Obama get the middle name Hussain?
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On August 31 2012 12:07 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:01 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 12:00 BluePanther wrote:On August 31 2012 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 11:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On August 31 2012 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Why do American jobs pay so little? 9 bucks an hour? my friends who work as dishwashers for local restaurants get paid more then that. The employers are even nice enough to pay everyone above the minimum wage. Depends where you live. The cost of living is not uniform across the US / Canada. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. The highest minimum wage is in Washington state at $9.04/hour. The lowest is Georgia/Wyoming at $5.15/hour or $2.13/hour for employees that receive tips. Even at Washington's minimum wage, you would be very hard-pressed to live off of 40 hours/week in any part of the country. $9.04 x 2080 = 18.8k a year. If you can't live on that, you're simply living beyond your means... Can YOU live off that? Absolutely. I have for many years now.
Dude, hurry up and graduate already.
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On August 31 2012 12:03 Defacer wrote:
I'm sorry, but what tax increase did Obama propose on small business?
Pretty sure this is a reference to Bush Tax cuts.
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On August 31 2012 12:07 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 12:05 Roe wrote:On August 31 2012 12:01 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 12:00 BluePanther wrote:On August 31 2012 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 11:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On August 31 2012 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Why do American jobs pay so little? 9 bucks an hour? my friends who work as dishwashers for local restaurants get paid more then that. The employers are even nice enough to pay everyone above the minimum wage. Depends where you live. The cost of living is not uniform across the US / Canada. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. The highest minimum wage is in Washington state at $9.04/hour. The lowest is Georgia/Wyoming at $5.15/hour or $2.13/hour for employees that receive tips. Even at Washington's minimum wage, you would be very hard-pressed to live off of 40 hours/week in any part of the country. $9.04 x 2080 = 18.8k a year. If you can't live on that, you're simply living beyond your means... Can YOU live off that? Depends on what the rent is (it's too damn high!), but your calculation should really just be rent+groceries+transport(bus/transit/bike, not car). i gave myself a pretty decent apartment and entertainment expenses(video games, movies etc) and ended up at 20, 400$. What is your budget, such that you can't live off 20,000 a year? Don't forget bills. What bills?
Electricity, gas, water, garbage, and phone? Plus internet, although you can argue that internet isn't 100% necessary.
Gotta love how so many Americans just skip the idea of state sovereignty and march right on to the idea that just because we have the capability to produce a military that is so large that it makes one sick, we should invade everyone everywhere at the slightest hint of something different from us.
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On August 31 2012 12:09 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:03 Defacer wrote:
I'm sorry, but what tax increase did Obama propose on small business? Pretty sure this is a reference to Bush Tax cuts.
No, it is Obamacare. Businesses have to provide healthcare to employees or pay a tax.
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I still don't like either choice. shame we only got 2 parties.
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I'm sorry, but when Mitt Romney talks about foreign policy, he sounds foolish ...
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On August 31 2012 12:11 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:09 BluePanther wrote:On August 31 2012 12:03 Defacer wrote:
I'm sorry, but what tax increase did Obama propose on small business? Pretty sure this is a reference to Bush Tax cuts. No, it is Obamacare. Businesses have to provide healthcare to employees or pay a tax.
Perhaps it is both?
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On August 31 2012 12:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:07 Roe wrote:On August 31 2012 12:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 12:05 Roe wrote:On August 31 2012 12:01 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 12:00 BluePanther wrote:On August 31 2012 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 11:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On August 31 2012 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Why do American jobs pay so little? 9 bucks an hour? my friends who work as dishwashers for local restaurants get paid more then that. The employers are even nice enough to pay everyone above the minimum wage. Depends where you live. The cost of living is not uniform across the US / Canada. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. The highest minimum wage is in Washington state at $9.04/hour. The lowest is Georgia/Wyoming at $5.15/hour or $2.13/hour for employees that receive tips. Even at Washington's minimum wage, you would be very hard-pressed to live off of 40 hours/week in any part of the country. $9.04 x 2080 = 18.8k a year. If you can't live on that, you're simply living beyond your means... Can YOU live off that? Depends on what the rent is (it's too damn high!), but your calculation should really just be rent+groceries+transport(bus/transit/bike, not car). i gave myself a pretty decent apartment and entertainment expenses(video games, movies etc) and ended up at 20, 400$. What is your budget, such that you can't live off 20,000 a year? Don't forget bills. What bills? Electricity, gas, water, garbage? Plus internet, although you can argue that internet isn't 100% necessary.
I included those in my budget estimate. Still, it comes down to 20k at the most, given a rent of 1000-1300 a month. What's your budget like?
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On August 31 2012 12:08 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:07 Roe wrote:On August 31 2012 12:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 12:05 Roe wrote:On August 31 2012 12:01 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 12:00 BluePanther wrote:On August 31 2012 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 11:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On August 31 2012 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Why do American jobs pay so little? 9 bucks an hour? my friends who work as dishwashers for local restaurants get paid more then that. The employers are even nice enough to pay everyone above the minimum wage. Depends where you live. The cost of living is not uniform across the US / Canada. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. The highest minimum wage is in Washington state at $9.04/hour. The lowest is Georgia/Wyoming at $5.15/hour or $2.13/hour for employees that receive tips. Even at Washington's minimum wage, you would be very hard-pressed to live off of 40 hours/week in any part of the country. $9.04 x 2080 = 18.8k a year. If you can't live on that, you're simply living beyond your means... Can YOU live off that? Depends on what the rent is (it's too damn high!), but your calculation should really just be rent+groceries+transport(bus/transit/bike, not car). i gave myself a pretty decent apartment and entertainment expenses(video games, movies etc) and ended up at 20, 400$. What is your budget, such that you can't live off 20,000 a year? Don't forget bills. What bills? Hydro, heat, phone/internet/ garbage, etc I'd imagine.
That is still nothing. I rented a decent apartment with a friend for 800$ a month, 60$ water, $60 electric, $60 net -- Thats $500 a month to have a place to live. Off of 9$ an hour x40 = 360gross a week or about 1400gross a month. Take taxes, and if you have an insurance option -- safe side $1000 a month take home .. After the initial living expenses you have $500 a month for food, entertainment, whatever.. If you are spending more than $15 a day on stuff like that you are doing something wrong.
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On August 31 2012 12:11 Defacer wrote:
I'm sorry, but when Mitt Romney talks about foreign policy, he sounds foolish ...
That's because he is absolutely clueless about foreign policy. And social issues. But the entire Republican party is off-base with social issues. Their strong point is definitely economic issues.
That is still nothing. I rented a decent apartment with a friend for 800$ a month, 60$ water, $60 electric, $60 net -- Thats $500 a month to have a place to live. Off of 9$ an hour x40 = 360gross a week or about 1400gross a month. Take taxes, and if you have an insurance option -- safe side $1000 a month take home .. After the initial living expenses you have $500 a month for food, entertainment, whatever.. If you are spending more than $15 a day on stuff like that you are doing something wrong.
You forgot transportation; if you have a vehicle, you need to pay for gas as well as insurance (which is mandatory in every state that I know of).
You also forgot health insurance.
You also left out gas (heat/stove), garbage, and phone.
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Honestly I am for once jealous; both American candidates are better than our Australian counterparts.
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Romney's rant about are you better off now than you were 4 years ago is way off base. He is drastically oversimplifying things and its sad  .
To say that everyone was better off after Reagan's terms is hillarious. Not to mention the elimination of the middle class is due to a number of factors, I would argue it is mainly globalization and the manufacturing jobs leaving this country.
Sad Romney, hes probably genuinely a good guy but ;\
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On August 31 2012 12:11 Defacer wrote:
I'm sorry, but when Mitt Romney talks about foreign policy, he sounds foolish ...
1) More trade, holding trading partners to ethnic standards.
2) Less forgein oil, more USA generated energy
3) A strong military that can not be challenged (hence no one would ever attempt to make war)
Sounds good to me, Though I don't like Romney for other reasons.
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On August 31 2012 12:09 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:07 BluePanther wrote:On August 31 2012 12:01 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 12:00 BluePanther wrote:On August 31 2012 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 31 2012 11:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On August 31 2012 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Why do American jobs pay so little? 9 bucks an hour? my friends who work as dishwashers for local restaurants get paid more then that. The employers are even nice enough to pay everyone above the minimum wage. Depends where you live. The cost of living is not uniform across the US / Canada. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. The highest minimum wage is in Washington state at $9.04/hour. The lowest is Georgia/Wyoming at $5.15/hour or $2.13/hour for employees that receive tips. Even at Washington's minimum wage, you would be very hard-pressed to live off of 40 hours/week in any part of the country. $9.04 x 2080 = 18.8k a year. If you can't live on that, you're simply living beyond your means... Can YOU live off that? Absolutely. I have for many years now. Dude, hurry up and graduate already.
Eh, I'll probably still be living the same way when I'm done. There's very little I want that I don't already have. Maybe a new car? My needs are rather simple. Cable/internet, food, a bed, and enough money to go the bars once/twice a week.
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Good speech. For Romney, it was a great speech. Probably about as good as he can do.
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