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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
August 11 2012 05:36 GMT
#5381
On August 11 2012 14:29 Zahir wrote:
Anyone got any idea how the surveillance program revealed by wikileaks is going to effect the election? I can see Obama taking quite a hit if Romney hits hard on this one.

LOL wikileaks didn't tell you anything you didn't know. Not counting the truther/9/11 kids, Wikileaks ended up having America look good. Reactions range from "wow America has a really good handle on it's foreign intel" to "wow I thought it was a lot worse".
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 11 2012 05:37 GMT
#5382
On August 11 2012 14:31 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 14:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:21 sam!zdat wrote:
Can you explain the thinking behind that position? I don't really understand. Is it because of demographic that is skewed in terms of military-related employment?

The military is the most respected government institution in the country. Among conservatives, there is a very strong sense of patriotism, if not outright nationalism. We want a strong military, we like knowing that our troops are the best in the world, and we want to keep it that way.


Do you have a recommended way to dissuade people from this absurd ideology?

edit: I mean, I feel like we already had ww1, it was fun and all, but more of that?

Why would I want to dissuade myself? =p

sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
August 11 2012 05:38 GMT
#5383
On August 11 2012 14:37 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 14:31 sam!zdat wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:21 sam!zdat wrote:
Can you explain the thinking behind that position? I don't really understand. Is it because of demographic that is skewed in terms of military-related employment?

The military is the most respected government institution in the country. Among conservatives, there is a very strong sense of patriotism, if not outright nationalism. We want a strong military, we like knowing that our troops are the best in the world, and we want to keep it that way.


Do you have a recommended way to dissuade people from this absurd ideology?

edit: I mean, I feel like we already had ww1, it was fun and all, but more of that?

Why would I want to dissuade myself? =p



Damn, I was hoping to trick you into revealing a good strategy

gg wp
shikata ga nai
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 11 2012 05:39 GMT
#5384
On August 11 2012 14:38 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 14:37 xDaunt wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:31 sam!zdat wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:21 sam!zdat wrote:
Can you explain the thinking behind that position? I don't really understand. Is it because of demographic that is skewed in terms of military-related employment?

The military is the most respected government institution in the country. Among conservatives, there is a very strong sense of patriotism, if not outright nationalism. We want a strong military, we like knowing that our troops are the best in the world, and we want to keep it that way.


Do you have a recommended way to dissuade people from this absurd ideology?

edit: I mean, I feel like we already had ww1, it was fun and all, but more of that?

Why would I want to dissuade myself? =p



Damn, I was hoping to trick you into revealing a good strategy

gg wp

If you really want to dissuade people like me, the way to go about it is to remind people of how ungrateful the rest of the world is to us, and that it is really in our best interest to tell everyone else to go fuck themselves.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 05:46:19
August 11 2012 05:45 GMT
#5385
that is really quite clever

edit: I forget you people think you're doing the world a favor
shikata ga nai
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 06:08:21
August 11 2012 05:46 GMT
#5386
On August 11 2012 14:12 xDaunt wrote:
I don't know what y'all are smoking; Ryan is a great pick. He's one of the few picks that will inspire moderate republicans, conservatives, and the tea party members. More importantly, he helps create a clear ideological contrast between a Romney presidency and the Obama presidency, which has been lacking thus far. Just watch. There's going to be a whole helluva of lot of talk about the national debt and deficit in the coming weeks.

I agree. Ryan is strategically a good pick and will likely increase Romney's chances of winning.

But Ryan is also a fraud, his deficit plan is a big magic asterisks, he says he would cut trillions of dollars, yet doesn't say how he would do so.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/03/paul-krugman-paul-ryan-budget-plan_n_1566362.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/09/opinion/krugman-the-gullible-center.html?_r=1

Let's see what the market things of the US national debt:
[image loading]

Answer: they don't give it shit.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 06:07:52
August 11 2012 05:57 GMT
#5387
On August 11 2012 02:42 paralleluniverse wrote:
There's been some recent discussion on stimulus by a bunch of Republican economists who wrote a paper talking about Romney's "plan" for economic growth and how stimulus is bad: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/125714335/Romney-Tax-Reform-White-Paper

Here some other discussion relating to the paper.

Mostly a point by point counterargument: http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/08/things-wrong-with-hassett-hubbard-mankiw-and-taylor-the-romney-program-for-economic-recovery-growth-and-jobs.html
A list of papers saying that stimulus works: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/08/the-romney-campaign-says-stimulus-doesnt-work-here-are-the-studies-they-left-out/
And an article on these Republican economists: http://mainlymacro.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/giving-economics-bad-name.html

There's been more news on this Romney paper authored by 3 prominent economists.

Ezra Klein contacted the authors of the papers cited in this paper and find that they do not support how the Romney paper portrayed their work, in fact they directly reject what Ronmey's economists say about their work: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/08/economists-to-romney-campaign-thats-not-what-our-research-says/

Krugman talks about economists selling their soul: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/culture-of-fraud/
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
August 11 2012 05:58 GMT
#5388
On August 11 2012 14:31 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 14:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:21 sam!zdat wrote:
Can you explain the thinking behind that position? I don't really understand. Is it because of demographic that is skewed in terms of military-related employment?

The military is the most respected government institution in the country. Among conservatives, there is a very strong sense of patriotism, if not outright nationalism. We want a strong military, we like knowing that our troops are the best in the world, and we want to keep it that way.


Do you have a recommended way to dissuade people from this absurd ideology?

edit: I mean, I feel like we already had ww1, it was fun and all, but more of that?


name one powerful empire in the history of the world that got it's status without a renown military.

one.


go.
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
August 11 2012 05:59 GMT
#5389
On August 11 2012 13:59 Tarot wrote:
Is there anything particularly bad about him? From a glance at wikipedia, it seems like he's one of the more sane republicans.



Nah, he's sane, and he's from Wisconsin (which might swing that state Romney's way). He's very popular in our state.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 06:02:09
August 11 2012 06:00 GMT
#5390
On August 11 2012 14:58 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 14:31 sam!zdat wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:21 sam!zdat wrote:
Can you explain the thinking behind that position? I don't really understand. Is it because of demographic that is skewed in terms of military-related employment?

The military is the most respected government institution in the country. Among conservatives, there is a very strong sense of patriotism, if not outright nationalism. We want a strong military, we like knowing that our troops are the best in the world, and we want to keep it that way.


Do you have a recommended way to dissuade people from this absurd ideology?

edit: I mean, I feel like we already had ww1, it was fun and all, but more of that?


name one powerful empire in the history of the world that got it's status without a renown military.

one.


go.


I'm kinda against the whole "powerful empire" thing
shikata ga nai
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
August 11 2012 06:03 GMT
#5391
On August 11 2012 14:24 DannyJ wrote:
Well, he's well spoken and doesn't seem like someone pulled out of a trailer park. It's certainly a step up from past republican picks. I don't think it's a bad choice considering the options. There's some sticking points that could bother people on both sides, but at least this guy can hold his own overall.



He's very well respected amongst fiscal matters (he's educated and has a degree in economics). He's the leader of the only serious austerity plan in the United States. Romney has just made this an election about substance instead of semantics, finally. He picks Ryan, I might swap my vote back to him.
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
August 11 2012 06:04 GMT
#5392
On August 11 2012 15:00 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 14:58 BluePanther wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:31 sam!zdat wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:21 sam!zdat wrote:
Can you explain the thinking behind that position? I don't really understand. Is it because of demographic that is skewed in terms of military-related employment?

The military is the most respected government institution in the country. Among conservatives, there is a very strong sense of patriotism, if not outright nationalism. We want a strong military, we like knowing that our troops are the best in the world, and we want to keep it that way.


Do you have a recommended way to dissuade people from this absurd ideology?

edit: I mean, I feel like we already had ww1, it was fun and all, but more of that?


name one powerful empire in the history of the world that got it's status without a renown military.

one.


go.


I'm kinda against the whole "powerful empire" thing


Then you're rather foolish. If you're not powerful, you're weak, and other armies will trample all over you (like we do to others). I'd rather be the giver than the receiver.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
August 11 2012 06:06 GMT
#5393
On August 11 2012 15:04 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 15:00 sam!zdat wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:58 BluePanther wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:31 sam!zdat wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:21 sam!zdat wrote:
Can you explain the thinking behind that position? I don't really understand. Is it because of demographic that is skewed in terms of military-related employment?

The military is the most respected government institution in the country. Among conservatives, there is a very strong sense of patriotism, if not outright nationalism. We want a strong military, we like knowing that our troops are the best in the world, and we want to keep it that way.


Do you have a recommended way to dissuade people from this absurd ideology?

edit: I mean, I feel like we already had ww1, it was fun and all, but more of that?


name one powerful empire in the history of the world that got it's status without a renown military.

one.


go.


I'm kinda against the whole "powerful empire" thing


Then you're rather foolish. If you're not powerful, you're weak, and other armies will trample all over you (like we do to others). I'd rather be the giver than the receiver.


Or, you know, we could have a world order that wasn't anarchy.
shikata ga nai
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
August 11 2012 06:12 GMT
#5394
On August 11 2012 15:06 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 15:04 BluePanther wrote:
On August 11 2012 15:00 sam!zdat wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:58 BluePanther wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:31 sam!zdat wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:21 sam!zdat wrote:
Can you explain the thinking behind that position? I don't really understand. Is it because of demographic that is skewed in terms of military-related employment?

The military is the most respected government institution in the country. Among conservatives, there is a very strong sense of patriotism, if not outright nationalism. We want a strong military, we like knowing that our troops are the best in the world, and we want to keep it that way.


Do you have a recommended way to dissuade people from this absurd ideology?

edit: I mean, I feel like we already had ww1, it was fun and all, but more of that?


name one powerful empire in the history of the world that got it's status without a renown military.

one.


go.


I'm kinda against the whole "powerful empire" thing


Then you're rather foolish. If you're not powerful, you're weak, and other armies will trample all over you (like we do to others). I'd rather be the giver than the receiver.


Or, you know, we could have a world order that wasn't anarchy.


You think the intricate global chess moves going on between the East and West is anarchy? Syria is a perfect demonstration of world powers using it as a buffer pawn zone with intense arms shipments, secret negotiations and money funneling in the hundreds of millions.

You may have a point if you chose to make it in that physical war dominance is becoming archaic and financial, automation, and cyber imperialism is the way forward in the distant future. As of now though the world remains too primitive since a large section of countries haven't even finished industrializing.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 06:14:43
August 11 2012 06:14 GMT
#5395
I think we're using different definitions of "anarchy"

edit: no, I'm anti-imperialism, period.
shikata ga nai
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
August 11 2012 06:22 GMT
#5396
On August 11 2012 15:14 sam!zdat wrote:
I think we're using different definitions of "anarchy"

edit: no, I'm anti-imperialism, period.


if we're not, someone else will be. I'd rather be the one pulling those strings.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
August 11 2012 06:27 GMT
#5397
On August 11 2012 15:22 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 15:14 sam!zdat wrote:
I think we're using different definitions of "anarchy"

edit: no, I'm anti-imperialism, period.


if we're not, someone else will be. I'd rather be the one pulling those strings.


I reject your premise.

I would like to see the united states use its power to work towards a unified humanity. Frankly, I think it's embarrassing that we can't work together.
shikata ga nai
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
August 11 2012 06:34 GMT
#5398
On August 11 2012 15:27 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 15:22 BluePanther wrote:
On August 11 2012 15:14 sam!zdat wrote:
I think we're using different definitions of "anarchy"

edit: no, I'm anti-imperialism, period.


if we're not, someone else will be. I'd rather be the one pulling those strings.


I reject your premise.

I would like to see the united states use its power to work towards a unified humanity. Frankly, I think it's embarrassing that we can't work together.



then i'll just have to acknowledge your naivete.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
August 11 2012 06:38 GMT
#5399
On August 11 2012 15:03 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 14:24 DannyJ wrote:
Well, he's well spoken and doesn't seem like someone pulled out of a trailer park. It's certainly a step up from past republican picks. I don't think it's a bad choice considering the options. There's some sticking points that could bother people on both sides, but at least this guy can hold his own overall.



He's very well respected amongst fiscal matters (he's educated and has a degree in economics). He's the leader of the only serious austerity plan in the United States. Romney has just made this an election about substance instead of semantics, finally. He picks Ryan, I might swap my vote back to him.

Most people (economists) wouldn't call it a "serious austerity plan." IIRC, the revenue portion is essentially what Romney put forward in his tax plan (tax rate decrease, reduction in tax credits), but promises much larger revenue generation, seemingly out of nowhere.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
August 11 2012 06:41 GMT
#5400
On August 11 2012 15:34 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 15:27 sam!zdat wrote:
On August 11 2012 15:22 BluePanther wrote:
On August 11 2012 15:14 sam!zdat wrote:
I think we're using different definitions of "anarchy"

edit: no, I'm anti-imperialism, period.


if we're not, someone else will be. I'd rather be the one pulling those strings.


I reject your premise.

I would like to see the united states use its power to work towards a unified humanity. Frankly, I think it's embarrassing that we can't work together.



then i'll just have to acknowledge your naivete.


I like to plan for the long term.

I find it intellectually impoverished, as well as unethical, to abandon the future to the present.
shikata ga nai
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