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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 22:18:42
August 07 2012 22:17 GMT
#5081
On August 08 2012 06:46 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 04:47 coverpunch wrote:
1) he played the dead dad card on Romney, that's just wrong
2) he offered no proof and refuses to substantiate his claim at all
3) he did this on the Senate floor

1. This part is a legitimate problem. I don't think he should have gone that far. It's a low blow to use someone's family.
2. A business partner would either be anonymous or not want his name to be revealed. There's no way that proof could be given, unless Romney does release his tax forms.
3. Don't really care. If it's a violation of tradition, meh. If it's because it's not "a legitimate issue," then maybe the Republicans that flood the House with 33+ votes on repealing ACA that won't pass should stop wasting time as well.

All in all: he went a bit too far, but in essence there is nothing wrong with voicing suspicions about a suspicious situation.

The source is a big problem. Reid is making the claim, the burden of proof is on him. Romney's never said anything about his own taxes as it relates to the economy or his tax policy. Sure, the source wants to remain anonymous so you don't have to quote his name. But you've gotta do better than "Bain investor". Something that would indicate that they actually know something about Romney's tax returns. To say "I heard this rumor but I don't know if it's true" is ridiculous. I mean, you can't even prove that Reid didn't just make it up himself. And if you scratch at all at the source, that's kind of what it looks like.

As for the Senate floor, that is actually a problem and this goes back to the distinction with corporations. Is this Harry Reid the citizen saying something about Romney's tax return or Harry Reid the Senate Majority Leader? He can actually DO something about it if he's doing it as an official, nominally the third most powerful person in the United States government. He can subpoena Romney's tax returns and force him to put them on the public record.
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
August 07 2012 22:18 GMT
#5082
This has been bothering me for a while now, I remember way back when Obama released his b certificate on whitehiuse.gov, there was an interesting YouTube video (which i can't find anymore,) basically showing how edited the form was. And I looked at it in illustrator and indeed there was 100s of layers all with unique names. Now I hate conspiracies and really don't care if he was born in a different country, but was this ever resolved? And its not a special kind of scanner, cause that only creates a background layer and a Tex layer - not 100. + there was obviously typing pitch black text over real ink when zoomed in close, thanks"
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
August 07 2012 22:51 GMT
#5083
On August 07 2012 11:02 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 10:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Mitt and Ann Romney were easily able to afford a $12-million La Jolla home.

But that didn't insulate them from the winds buffeting the real estate market in the months following their purchase in 2008.

After paying cash for the Mediterranean-style house with 61 feet of beach frontage, they asked San Diego County for dramatic property tax relief.

Romney, the presumptive GOP nominee for president whose wealth is estimated at $250 million, has rejected calls from Democrats and Republicans to release his income tax returns prior to 2010. But San Diego County assessor records shed light on one sliver of the couple's personal taxes during that time: a months-long effort to reduce their annual property tax bill.

Initially, the Romneys asked that their 2009 assessment, $12.24 million, be reduced to $6.8 million, maintaining that their home had lost about 45% of its value in the first seven months they owned it.

Thirteen months later, after hiring an attorney to guide them, the Romneys filed an amended appeal, contending the home had suffered a less-dramatic fall of 27.3%, to $8.9 million.

They also filed an appeal for the 2010 tax year, claiming the house had dropped further, to $7.5 million, 38.7% less than the home's assessed value.

As a result, the Romneys have saved about $109,000 in property taxes over four years.


Source

Are you really going to post every garbage, Romney-bashing, class warfare article that gets published as if it is particularly insightful news?


Stealthblue: "News flash everyone! A journalist somewhere wrote an anti-Romney article!"
*runs to computer*
"Must....post...on Teamliquid"

I'm considering just posting random anti-Obama articles everytime I see a post like that even if it breaks the tempo of the current discussion.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 23:10:37
August 07 2012 23:06 GMT
#5084
On August 08 2012 07:51 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 11:02 xDaunt wrote:
On August 07 2012 10:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Mitt and Ann Romney were easily able to afford a $12-million La Jolla home.

But that didn't insulate them from the winds buffeting the real estate market in the months following their purchase in 2008.

After paying cash for the Mediterranean-style house with 61 feet of beach frontage, they asked San Diego County for dramatic property tax relief.

Romney, the presumptive GOP nominee for president whose wealth is estimated at $250 million, has rejected calls from Democrats and Republicans to release his income tax returns prior to 2010. But San Diego County assessor records shed light on one sliver of the couple's personal taxes during that time: a months-long effort to reduce their annual property tax bill.

Initially, the Romneys asked that their 2009 assessment, $12.24 million, be reduced to $6.8 million, maintaining that their home had lost about 45% of its value in the first seven months they owned it.

Thirteen months later, after hiring an attorney to guide them, the Romneys filed an amended appeal, contending the home had suffered a less-dramatic fall of 27.3%, to $8.9 million.

They also filed an appeal for the 2010 tax year, claiming the house had dropped further, to $7.5 million, 38.7% less than the home's assessed value.

As a result, the Romneys have saved about $109,000 in property taxes over four years.


Source

Are you really going to post every garbage, Romney-bashing, class warfare article that gets published as if it is particularly insightful news?


Stealthblue: "News flash everyone! A journalist somewhere wrote an anti-Romney article!"
*runs to computer*
"Must....post...on Teamliquid"

I'm considering just posting random anti-Obama articles everytime I see a post like that even if it breaks the tempo of the current discussion.


Romney is the epitome of the worst presidential candidate possible.

it's hard to know if you should support him or not.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
August 07 2012 23:15 GMT
#5085
On August 08 2012 04:47 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 04:24 ticklishmusic wrote:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/07/harry-reid-is-vilified-by-a-press-corps-that-tolerates-much-worse-from-the-right.html

So many birthers in the comments section.

This article takes away the context and tries to shrug away all the remaining issues. It's especially laughable because they put in all the context of the birthers and make it sound like a Republican position. But let's go into what the press did not like about Reid's comments, in order:

1) he played the dead dad card on Romney, that's just wrong
2) he offered no proof and refuses to substantiate his claim at all
3) he did this on the Senate floor

As for the remaining issues, they're completely wrong. For one, Reid was most definitely trying to imply that Romney is guilty of tax evasion by saying he hasn't paid any taxes in ten years.

Calling for Romney to release more tax returns and pointing out that his dad did it is one thing. Making wild, unsubstantiated claims that Romney hasn't paid any taxes for a decade on the Senate floor as majority leader and then saying his dead father would be ashamed of him is crossing the line. The media was correct to slam Reid.

Jon Stewart from the Daily Show summed up the media's opinion:

Show nested quote +
"Here's a rule of thumb - if you have to follow your claim with the words 'I don't know if that's true,' then shut up."




I'm sure its already been posted here somewhere, but might as well put it here again:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-1-2012/you--harry-reid--are-terrible
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
August 08 2012 00:06 GMT
#5086
On August 08 2012 06:46 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 04:47 coverpunch wrote:
1) he played the dead dad card on Romney, that's just wrong
2) he offered no proof and refuses to substantiate his claim at all
3) he did this on the Senate floor

1. This part is a legitimate problem. I don't think he should have gone that far. It's a low blow to use someone's family.
2. A business partner would either be anonymous or not want his name to be revealed. There's no way that proof could be given, unless Romney does release his tax forms.
3. Don't really care. If it's a violation of tradition, meh. If it's because it's not "a legitimate issue," then maybe the Republicans that flood the House with 33+ votes on repealing ACA that won't pass should stop wasting time as well.

All in all: he went a bit too far, but in essence there is nothing wrong with voicing suspicions about a suspicious situation.


The Senate floor should be reserved for Senate bills and debate, not for presedential election discussion.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
TheFrankOne
Profile Joined December 2010
United States667 Posts
August 08 2012 00:48 GMT
#5087
On August 08 2012 09:06 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 06:46 Lightwip wrote:
On August 08 2012 04:47 coverpunch wrote:
1) he played the dead dad card on Romney, that's just wrong
2) he offered no proof and refuses to substantiate his claim at all
3) he did this on the Senate floor

1. This part is a legitimate problem. I don't think he should have gone that far. It's a low blow to use someone's family.
2. A business partner would either be anonymous or not want his name to be revealed. There's no way that proof could be given, unless Romney does release his tax forms.
3. Don't really care. If it's a violation of tradition, meh. If it's because it's not "a legitimate issue," then maybe the Republicans that flood the House with 33+ votes on repealing ACA that won't pass should stop wasting time as well.

All in all: he went a bit too far, but in essence there is nothing wrong with voicing suspicions about a suspicious situation.


The Senate floor should be reserved for Senate bills and debate, not for presedential election discussion.


http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm

Or maybe a good caning every now and again. Senators use the floor to push their political and personal agendas constantly, you're asking more from the senate than you will ever get.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
August 08 2012 01:02 GMT
#5088
No, I like the idea of debate and caning only.
shikata ga nai
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 01:19:13
August 08 2012 01:11 GMT
#5089
On August 08 2012 07:51 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 11:02 xDaunt wrote:
On August 07 2012 10:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Mitt and Ann Romney were easily able to afford a $12-million La Jolla home.

But that didn't insulate them from the winds buffeting the real estate market in the months following their purchase in 2008.

After paying cash for the Mediterranean-style house with 61 feet of beach frontage, they asked San Diego County for dramatic property tax relief.

Romney, the presumptive GOP nominee for president whose wealth is estimated at $250 million, has rejected calls from Democrats and Republicans to release his income tax returns prior to 2010. But San Diego County assessor records shed light on one sliver of the couple's personal taxes during that time: a months-long effort to reduce their annual property tax bill.

Initially, the Romneys asked that their 2009 assessment, $12.24 million, be reduced to $6.8 million, maintaining that their home had lost about 45% of its value in the first seven months they owned it.

Thirteen months later, after hiring an attorney to guide them, the Romneys filed an amended appeal, contending the home had suffered a less-dramatic fall of 27.3%, to $8.9 million.

They also filed an appeal for the 2010 tax year, claiming the house had dropped further, to $7.5 million, 38.7% less than the home's assessed value.

As a result, the Romneys have saved about $109,000 in property taxes over four years.


Source

Are you really going to post every garbage, Romney-bashing, class warfare article that gets published as if it is particularly insightful news?


Stealthblue: "News flash everyone! A journalist somewhere wrote an anti-Romney article!"
*runs to computer*
"Must....post...on Teamliquid"

I'm considering just posting random anti-Obama articles everytime I see a post like that even if it breaks the tempo of the current discussion.

That's simply not true. Stealthblue has done a very good job of updating this thread with news about the election since its creation (and before that, he was active in the Republican nominations thread).
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2012 02:08 GMT
#5090
Savio I can either post news articles and you close your eyes or I can check with you to make sure you avoid the thread in case I post and give times when I might not be in this thread, guess which one I'm going to go with.

As Republicans continue trying to cash in on the out-of-context “you didn’t build that” attack on President Obama, the Obama campaign is assembling an army of small business owners who say that they did engineer their own success — thanks to the opportunities afforded them by generations of American taxpayers.

The new Obama push, details of which were obtained by TPM, highlights small business owners across the country in a series of state-specific press releases and events throughout this week aimed at highlighting Obama’s “vision for an economy built from the middle out — where hard work pays off, responsibility is rewarded and everyone gets a fair shot,” according to the campaign.

The push is tied to Obama’s call for an extension of the Bush tax cuts on the middle class. But the business owners make clear reference to the continued “you didn’t build that” fight.

“I am a product of all the great opportunities our country gives its citizens. I grew up with middle-class values, where I went to public school. I went to college at a public university, where I received a Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps scholarship,” Angie Morgan, a co-founder of the Leadstar company says in a release sent by the Obama campaign to Virginia news outlets. “Upon graduation, I served my country as a Marine. Today I am a military wife and a small business owner that employs military veterans. I believe that President Obama’s leadership and vision create paths for the American Dream to be possible.”

On the trail, Obama is calling for more taxpayer investment in infrastructure and other projects — investments he was touting when he uttered the phrase “you didn’t build that” — a line Republicans chopped up and turned into a rallying cry. Several of the small business owners tapped by the Obama campaign say their businesses survived the recession thanks to government projects.

“President Obama knows that small businesses like ours are the engine of job creation. As the owner of Crenshaw Bros. Construction in Erie, I’ve seen firsthand how the president is looking out for us. The recession nearly ruined my company, but an influx of public-investment projects funded by President Obama’s Recovery Act rejuvenated our business,” Don Crenshaw, a construction company owner in Pennsylvania, says in one release. “Since 2010, I’ve added more than 50 employees and taken on an additional $10 million in business. And thanks to the President’s Small Business Jobs Act, I’ve been able to invest in the equipment my business needs.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 08 2012 02:13 GMT
#5091
On August 08 2012 11:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Savio I can either post news articles and you close your eyes or I can check with you to make sure you avoid the thread in case I post and give times when I might not be in this thread, guess which one I'm going to go with.

Show nested quote +
As Republicans continue trying to cash in on the out-of-context “you didn’t build that” attack on President Obama, the Obama campaign is assembling an army of small business owners who say that they did engineer their own success — thanks to the opportunities afforded them by generations of American taxpayers.

The new Obama push, details of which were obtained by TPM, highlights small business owners across the country in a series of state-specific press releases and events throughout this week aimed at highlighting Obama’s “vision for an economy built from the middle out — where hard work pays off, responsibility is rewarded and everyone gets a fair shot,” according to the campaign.

The push is tied to Obama’s call for an extension of the Bush tax cuts on the middle class. But the business owners make clear reference to the continued “you didn’t build that” fight.

“I am a product of all the great opportunities our country gives its citizens. I grew up with middle-class values, where I went to public school. I went to college at a public university, where I received a Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps scholarship,” Angie Morgan, a co-founder of the Leadstar company says in a release sent by the Obama campaign to Virginia news outlets. “Upon graduation, I served my country as a Marine. Today I am a military wife and a small business owner that employs military veterans. I believe that President Obama’s leadership and vision create paths for the American Dream to be possible.”

On the trail, Obama is calling for more taxpayer investment in infrastructure and other projects — investments he was touting when he uttered the phrase “you didn’t build that” — a line Republicans chopped up and turned into a rallying cry. Several of the small business owners tapped by the Obama campaign say their businesses survived the recession thanks to government projects.

“President Obama knows that small businesses like ours are the engine of job creation. As the owner of Crenshaw Bros. Construction in Erie, I’ve seen firsthand how the president is looking out for us. The recession nearly ruined my company, but an influx of public-investment projects funded by President Obama’s Recovery Act rejuvenated our business,” Don Crenshaw, a construction company owner in Pennsylvania, says in one release. “Since 2010, I’ve added more than 50 employees and taken on an additional $10 million in business. And thanks to the President’s Small Business Jobs Act, I’ve been able to invest in the equipment my business needs.”


Source

As long as you're posting purely pro-Obama/anti-Romney articles, particularly ones as ridiculous as that last LA Times article, you should expect some ribbing from time to time.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 08 2012 03:14 GMT
#5092
On August 08 2012 11:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Savio I can either post news articles and you close your eyes or I can check with you to make sure you avoid the thread in case I post and give times when I might not be in this thread, guess which one I'm going to go with.

Show nested quote +
As Republicans continue trying to cash in on the out-of-context “you didn’t build that” attack on President Obama, the Obama campaign is assembling an army of small business owners who say that they did engineer their own success — thanks to the opportunities afforded them by generations of American taxpayers.

The new Obama push, details of which were obtained by TPM, highlights small business owners across the country in a series of state-specific press releases and events throughout this week aimed at highlighting Obama’s “vision for an economy built from the middle out — where hard work pays off, responsibility is rewarded and everyone gets a fair shot,” according to the campaign.

The push is tied to Obama’s call for an extension of the Bush tax cuts on the middle class. But the business owners make clear reference to the continued “you didn’t build that” fight.

“I am a product of all the great opportunities our country gives its citizens. I grew up with middle-class values, where I went to public school. I went to college at a public university, where I received a Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps scholarship,” Angie Morgan, a co-founder of the Leadstar company says in a release sent by the Obama campaign to Virginia news outlets. “Upon graduation, I served my country as a Marine. Today I am a military wife and a small business owner that employs military veterans. I believe that President Obama’s leadership and vision create paths for the American Dream to be possible.”

On the trail, Obama is calling for more taxpayer investment in infrastructure and other projects — investments he was touting when he uttered the phrase “you didn’t build that” — a line Republicans chopped up and turned into a rallying cry. Several of the small business owners tapped by the Obama campaign say their businesses survived the recession thanks to government projects.

“President Obama knows that small businesses like ours are the engine of job creation. As the owner of Crenshaw Bros. Construction in Erie, I’ve seen firsthand how the president is looking out for us. The recession nearly ruined my company, but an influx of public-investment projects funded by President Obama’s Recovery Act rejuvenated our business,” Don Crenshaw, a construction company owner in Pennsylvania, says in one release. “Since 2010, I’ve added more than 50 employees and taken on an additional $10 million in business. And thanks to the President’s Small Business Jobs Act, I’ve been able to invest in the equipment my business needs.”


Source


I still appreciate you, bud


koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 08 2012 03:23 GMT
#5093
On August 08 2012 11:13 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 11:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Savio I can either post news articles and you close your eyes or I can check with you to make sure you avoid the thread in case I post and give times when I might not be in this thread, guess which one I'm going to go with.

As Republicans continue trying to cash in on the out-of-context “you didn’t build that” attack on President Obama, the Obama campaign is assembling an army of small business owners who say that they did engineer their own success — thanks to the opportunities afforded them by generations of American taxpayers.

The new Obama push, details of which were obtained by TPM, highlights small business owners across the country in a series of state-specific press releases and events throughout this week aimed at highlighting Obama’s “vision for an economy built from the middle out — where hard work pays off, responsibility is rewarded and everyone gets a fair shot,” according to the campaign.

The push is tied to Obama’s call for an extension of the Bush tax cuts on the middle class. But the business owners make clear reference to the continued “you didn’t build that” fight.

“I am a product of all the great opportunities our country gives its citizens. I grew up with middle-class values, where I went to public school. I went to college at a public university, where I received a Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps scholarship,” Angie Morgan, a co-founder of the Leadstar company says in a release sent by the Obama campaign to Virginia news outlets. “Upon graduation, I served my country as a Marine. Today I am a military wife and a small business owner that employs military veterans. I believe that President Obama’s leadership and vision create paths for the American Dream to be possible.”

On the trail, Obama is calling for more taxpayer investment in infrastructure and other projects — investments he was touting when he uttered the phrase “you didn’t build that” — a line Republicans chopped up and turned into a rallying cry. Several of the small business owners tapped by the Obama campaign say their businesses survived the recession thanks to government projects.

“President Obama knows that small businesses like ours are the engine of job creation. As the owner of Crenshaw Bros. Construction in Erie, I’ve seen firsthand how the president is looking out for us. The recession nearly ruined my company, but an influx of public-investment projects funded by President Obama’s Recovery Act rejuvenated our business,” Don Crenshaw, a construction company owner in Pennsylvania, says in one release. “Since 2010, I’ve added more than 50 employees and taken on an additional $10 million in business. And thanks to the President’s Small Business Jobs Act, I’ve been able to invest in the equipment my business needs.”


Source

As long as you're posting purely pro-Obama/anti-Romney articles, particularly ones as ridiculous as that last LA Times article, you should expect some ribbing from time to time.

This is pretty funny coming from someone like you.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 08 2012 03:30 GMT
#5094
On August 08 2012 12:23 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 11:13 xDaunt wrote:
On August 08 2012 11:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Savio I can either post news articles and you close your eyes or I can check with you to make sure you avoid the thread in case I post and give times when I might not be in this thread, guess which one I'm going to go with.

As Republicans continue trying to cash in on the out-of-context “you didn’t build that” attack on President Obama, the Obama campaign is assembling an army of small business owners who say that they did engineer their own success — thanks to the opportunities afforded them by generations of American taxpayers.

The new Obama push, details of which were obtained by TPM, highlights small business owners across the country in a series of state-specific press releases and events throughout this week aimed at highlighting Obama’s “vision for an economy built from the middle out — where hard work pays off, responsibility is rewarded and everyone gets a fair shot,” according to the campaign.

The push is tied to Obama’s call for an extension of the Bush tax cuts on the middle class. But the business owners make clear reference to the continued “you didn’t build that” fight.

“I am a product of all the great opportunities our country gives its citizens. I grew up with middle-class values, where I went to public school. I went to college at a public university, where I received a Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps scholarship,” Angie Morgan, a co-founder of the Leadstar company says in a release sent by the Obama campaign to Virginia news outlets. “Upon graduation, I served my country as a Marine. Today I am a military wife and a small business owner that employs military veterans. I believe that President Obama’s leadership and vision create paths for the American Dream to be possible.”

On the trail, Obama is calling for more taxpayer investment in infrastructure and other projects — investments he was touting when he uttered the phrase “you didn’t build that” — a line Republicans chopped up and turned into a rallying cry. Several of the small business owners tapped by the Obama campaign say their businesses survived the recession thanks to government projects.

“President Obama knows that small businesses like ours are the engine of job creation. As the owner of Crenshaw Bros. Construction in Erie, I’ve seen firsthand how the president is looking out for us. The recession nearly ruined my company, but an influx of public-investment projects funded by President Obama’s Recovery Act rejuvenated our business,” Don Crenshaw, a construction company owner in Pennsylvania, says in one release. “Since 2010, I’ve added more than 50 employees and taken on an additional $10 million in business. And thanks to the President’s Small Business Jobs Act, I’ve been able to invest in the equipment my business needs.”


Source

As long as you're posting purely pro-Obama/anti-Romney articles, particularly ones as ridiculous as that last LA Times article, you should expect some ribbing from time to time.

This is pretty funny coming from someone like you.

Last I checked, I don't post one anti-Obama article after another on this thread like a bot.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
August 08 2012 03:32 GMT
#5095
On August 08 2012 05:22 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 04:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Ever hear of a general statement?

Really, you're a total pedant.

General Statement?

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 04:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
The $5 surplus is also contractionary fiscal policy.

What are the assumptions behind your statement, and why is your statement true given your assumptions?

This stuff is really important because it's conditional. Yes, it's pendantic, but it's important to be so.


It's not good to be pedantic in the context of a public discussion about fiscal policy. I've yet to see anything that you've brought up in this discussion to be important in any meaningful sense of the word.

sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
August 08 2012 03:37 GMT
#5096
Now, now, children.
shikata ga nai
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
August 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#5097
On August 08 2012 11:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Savio I can either post news articles and you close your eyes or I can check with you to make sure you avoid the thread in case I post and give times when I might not be in this thread, guess which one I'm going to go with.

Show nested quote +
As Republicans continue trying to cash in on the out-of-context “you didn’t build that” attack on President Obama, the Obama campaign is assembling an army of small business owners who say that they did engineer their own success — thanks to the opportunities afforded them by generations of American taxpayers.

The new Obama push, details of which were obtained by TPM, highlights small business owners across the country in a series of state-specific press releases and events throughout this week aimed at highlighting Obama’s “vision for an economy built from the middle out — where hard work pays off, responsibility is rewarded and everyone gets a fair shot,” according to the campaign.

The push is tied to Obama’s call for an extension of the Bush tax cuts on the middle class. But the business owners make clear reference to the continued “you didn’t build that” fight.

“I am a product of all the great opportunities our country gives its citizens. I grew up with middle-class values, where I went to public school. I went to college at a public university, where I received a Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps scholarship,” Angie Morgan, a co-founder of the Leadstar company says in a release sent by the Obama campaign to Virginia news outlets. “Upon graduation, I served my country as a Marine. Today I am a military wife and a small business owner that employs military veterans. I believe that President Obama’s leadership and vision create paths for the American Dream to be possible.”

On the trail, Obama is calling for more taxpayer investment in infrastructure and other projects — investments he was touting when he uttered the phrase “you didn’t build that” — a line Republicans chopped up and turned into a rallying cry. Several of the small business owners tapped by the Obama campaign say their businesses survived the recession thanks to government projects.

“President Obama knows that small businesses like ours are the engine of job creation. As the owner of Crenshaw Bros. Construction in Erie, I’ve seen firsthand how the president is looking out for us. The recession nearly ruined my company, but an influx of public-investment projects funded by President Obama’s Recovery Act rejuvenated our business,” Don Crenshaw, a construction company owner in Pennsylvania, says in one release. “Since 2010, I’ve added more than 50 employees and taken on an additional $10 million in business. And thanks to the President’s Small Business Jobs Act, I’ve been able to invest in the equipment my business needs.”


Source


The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 04:43:02
August 08 2012 04:41 GMT
#5098
On August 08 2012 04:47 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 04:24 ticklishmusic wrote:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/07/harry-reid-is-vilified-by-a-press-corps-that-tolerates-much-worse-from-the-right.html

So many birthers in the comments section.

This article takes away the context and tries to shrug away all the remaining issues. It's especially laughable because they put in all the context of the birthers and make it sound like a Republican position. But let's go into what the press did not like about Reid's comments, in order:

1) he played the dead dad card on Romney, that's just wrong
2) he offered no proof and refuses to substantiate his claim at all
3) he did this on the Senate floor

As for the remaining issues, they're completely wrong. For one, Reid was most definitely trying to imply that Romney is guilty of tax evasion by saying he hasn't paid any taxes in ten years.

Calling for Romney to release more tax returns and pointing out that his dad did it is one thing. Making wild, unsubstantiated claims that Romney hasn't paid any taxes for a decade on the Senate floor as majority leader and then saying his dead father would be ashamed of him is crossing the line. The media was correct to slam Reid.

Jon Stewart from the Daily Show summed up the media's opinion:

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"Here's a rule of thumb - if you have to follow your claim with the words 'I don't know if that's true,' then shut up."



This is true. The other issue is simply who he is.

It is one thing for random citizens to be demanding that Obama show his birth certificate and it would be a completely different thing if Senator Mitch McConnell got up on the Senate Floor and said, "one of Obama's associates came and told me he was born in Kenya, but I'm not gonna tell you who told me. Its now Obama's reponsibility to prove me wrong. Also Obama's Dad would be ashamed of him."

You see how much more ridiculous it would be if the Senate Minority Leader did that? Harry Reid misused his office and did not comport himself with the honor of his office.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
August 08 2012 04:44 GMT
#5099
Did he really do that? What a travesty we've become.
shikata ga nai
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
August 08 2012 13:56 GMT
#5100
On August 08 2012 13:28 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 11:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Savio I can either post news articles and you close your eyes or I can check with you to make sure you avoid the thread in case I post and give times when I might not be in this thread, guess which one I'm going to go with.

As Republicans continue trying to cash in on the out-of-context “you didn’t build that” attack on President Obama, the Obama campaign is assembling an army of small business owners who say that they did engineer their own success — thanks to the opportunities afforded them by generations of American taxpayers.

The new Obama push, details of which were obtained by TPM, highlights small business owners across the country in a series of state-specific press releases and events throughout this week aimed at highlighting Obama’s “vision for an economy built from the middle out — where hard work pays off, responsibility is rewarded and everyone gets a fair shot,” according to the campaign.

The push is tied to Obama’s call for an extension of the Bush tax cuts on the middle class. But the business owners make clear reference to the continued “you didn’t build that” fight.

“I am a product of all the great opportunities our country gives its citizens. I grew up with middle-class values, where I went to public school. I went to college at a public university, where I received a Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps scholarship,” Angie Morgan, a co-founder of the Leadstar company says in a release sent by the Obama campaign to Virginia news outlets. “Upon graduation, I served my country as a Marine. Today I am a military wife and a small business owner that employs military veterans. I believe that President Obama’s leadership and vision create paths for the American Dream to be possible.”

On the trail, Obama is calling for more taxpayer investment in infrastructure and other projects — investments he was touting when he uttered the phrase “you didn’t build that” — a line Republicans chopped up and turned into a rallying cry. Several of the small business owners tapped by the Obama campaign say their businesses survived the recession thanks to government projects.

“President Obama knows that small businesses like ours are the engine of job creation. As the owner of Crenshaw Bros. Construction in Erie, I’ve seen firsthand how the president is looking out for us. The recession nearly ruined my company, but an influx of public-investment projects funded by President Obama’s Recovery Act rejuvenated our business,” Don Crenshaw, a construction company owner in Pennsylvania, says in one release. “Since 2010, I’ve added more than 50 employees and taken on an additional $10 million in business. And thanks to the President’s Small Business Jobs Act, I’ve been able to invest in the equipment my business needs.”


Source


www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lC1ReX19TA


Did you really just respond to a news article with a 30 second campaign ad?

You do understand that the former is journalism, even if it's left-leaning, and the latter is basically a 30 second bumper sticker, right?
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