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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here. The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301 | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
On November 17 2012 06:21 T.O.P. wrote: So why aren't democrats willing to cut medicare and social security when senior don't vote for dems anyways. Because Democrats, at least from a party platform perspective, consider the social safety net an integral part of a functioning US society. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
anyway here's a talk from the classical supply demand equilibrium approach showing how bargaining power loss by the working class contributed to the crisis. a feedback loop of unsustainable borrowing/loan selling depending on your moral angle. as usual the causal direction is the weakest part of this kind of analysis but the point is, weakness in the real demand of the economy necessitated credit expansion as a way of keeping previous level of circulation. and something fun. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 17 2012 06:02 ZasZ. wrote: I don't know what an "Obamba" or "graff" is, but considering Wall Street was pretty openly supporting Romney, I'm not surprised at what the graph is showing. It doesn't actually say anything about Obama except that Wall Street responded unfavorably to his re-election. A more telling graph will be what it does over the next four years. It doesn't even show that. Obama's election actually led to markets opening upwards. Other news then had a negative impact. | ||
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Maxyim
430 Posts
On November 17 2012 06:36 kwizach wrote: It doesn't even show that. Obama's election actually led to markets opening upwards. Other news then had a negative impact. Hey, I linked both the US and UK markets together just for people like you. Now go look at it again. Also, "markets opening" is not a statistically relevant factor. On November 17 2012 06:02 ZasZ. wrote: I don't know what an "Obamba" or "graff" is, but considering Wall Street was pretty openly supporting Romney, I'm not surprised at what the graph is showing. It doesn't actually say anything about Obama except that Wall Street responded unfavorably to his re-election. A more telling graph will be what it does over the next four years. It's not a response from "Wall Street;" it's a response from the free market in general. You know, the same one that Obama supposedly has a "mandate" from. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On November 17 2012 07:26 Maxyim wrote: Hey, I linked both the US and UK markets together just for people like you. Now go look at it again. Also, "markets opening" is not a statistically relevant factor. Oh okay so obama must have been elected sometime in MAY according to your theories. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
but as i've said, u.s. worry is about the fiscal cliff and continued weakness of the economy itself. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On November 17 2012 07:26 Maxyim wrote: Hey, I linked both the US and UK markets together just for people like you. Now go look at it again. Also, "markets opening" is not a statistically relevant factor. And you failed to respond to my post. Your "graff" doesn't demonstrate anything except that the market dipped around the time he was elected. Not only does correlation not equal causation, but let's wait and see what it does over the next 4 years before we bring out the pitchforks again. This just in...markets fluctuate. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 17 2012 07:26 Maxyim wrote: Hey, I linked both the US and UK markets together just for people like you. Now go look at it again. Also, "markets opening" is not a statistically relevant factor. I don't think you understand markets. Here's a Washington Post article that explains why markets did not look very good post-election. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
A moderate/progressive SCOTUS? Buddha imagine the changes... | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
If Kennedy retires though they'll most likely appoint a moderate, so... things still might not change much, but at least we don't have to deal with a conservative-dominated bench for the next couple decades. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/africa/benghazi-not-petraeus-affair-is-focus-at-hearings.html | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On November 17 2012 16:49 Sumahi wrote: I hope that Obama is a bit more assertive in his second term, now that he is no longer running for President. I felt like he was too timid in his first term. I assume he expected less "opposition" coming in. He wanted to come in and be the leader of the country, bringing the 2 sides together. What he got instead was a party that rallied against him, and his own party that lacked any real leadership that wasn't him. I doubt he will make the same mistake, but it might be too late. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img.pr0gramm.com/2012/11/8191317327-5180e95d98-c.jpg) Could this possibly be real? Your president is such a cool dude... | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On November 17 2012 16:35 oneofthem wrote: so yea petraeus' testimony was pretty expected. the administration had the CIA tell them to avoid mention of the attacks as terrorist attacks to avoid tipping the groups off of ongoing surveillance on them. there was an active CIA operation down there so less exposure the better. apparently it was fool's gold for republicans. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/africa/benghazi-not-petraeus-affair-is-focus-at-hearings.html How was that expected? No one ever floated the theory that the talking points were edited so as to not tip terrorists off. It sounds quite believable, but it still seems like a bizarre reason. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
It suggests very interesting policies to pursue an improvement; Statutory damage reform - I thought they had fought this adamently earlier? Expanding fair use Punishing false infringement claims Limit the terms of copyright and possibility for renewal It is far too early to judge how much influence this will have on the actual republican policy in the area, but it is definately an issue many young people care a lot about and the suggestions are pretty much up the same alley as the pirate parties in the rest of the world! Link | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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