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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57550337/cia-talking-points-for-susan-rice-called-benghazi-attack-spontaneously-inspired-by-protests/
The CIA's talking points read as follows:
"The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.
This assessment may change as additional information is collected and analyzed and as currently available information continues to be evaluated.
The investigation is on-going, and the US Government is working with Libyan authorities to bring to justice those responsible for the deaths of US citizens."
Republicans still saying she mislead the public and there was a possibility she still knew because of intelligence briefings this was no the case. Investigation is still ongoing.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
so if you look at the total vote cast of this election vs 2008, you'll see that we are short by about 8 million votes, despite high turnout reports.
this is because those ballots are still uncounted. about 3 million in california alone. arizona and oklahoma still have local races hanging in the air because of uncounted ballots. a lot of obama votes in ohio still uncounted.
i think obama will have a very strong popular vote edge once all the west coast ballots are counted.
florida and arizona seriously need federal intervention.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/14/florida_remains_an_election_disaster_area.html
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9725
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The mess in Arizona is absolutely appalling, and I have no doubt the likes of people like Sheriff Joe are to blame. As a society, we claim to take disenfranchisement very seriously, but when secretaries of state can say outright "We will give our state to Romney" and Republican led states close polling locations that were at capacity in previous elections, something does not sit right.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
a ton of hispanics registered in arizona during this election cycle and were given provisional ballots that are hard to count and probably won't be counted if the deadline for vote counting is not relaxed.
it's pretty hard to fathom something like this could still happen. if they don't fix that situation say goodbye to hispanic votes basically forever.
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On November 17 2012 03:08 oneofthem wrote:so if you look at the total vote cast of this election vs 2008, you'll see that we are short by about 8 million votes, despite high turnout reports. this is because those ballots are still uncounted. about 3 million in california alone. arizona and oklahoma still have local races hanging in the air because of uncounted ballots. a lot of obama votes in ohio still uncounted. i think obama will have a very strong popular vote edge once all the west coast ballots are counted. florida and arizona seriously need federal intervention. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/14/florida_remains_an_election_disaster_area.htmlhttp://www.bradblog.com/?p=9725
Florida is such a hotbed for political scumbags mucking up elections in morally reprehensible ways and just plan probably is illegal ways such as robo calling areas and telling them election is on another day.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Need the option to federalize certain states' elections considering the ramifications they may have on the entire country. Florida needs to get smacked... hard.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i think arizona in this cycle is far worse. it's truly amazing.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Yeah, it's pretty terrible. Florida just irks me a lot more for obvious reasons, but if I could I'd federalize the entire state of Arizona, period.
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The US needs an independent federal organization to standardize and run national elections, similar to Elections Canada.
I'm pretty sure most Western democracies don't leave national elections to state or local officials to manage and conduct national elections, precisely to avoid the kinds of partisan voter suppression and willful incompetence demonstrated in Florida.
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On November 17 2012 05:15 Defacer wrote:
The US needs an independent federal organization to standardize and run national elections, similar to Elections Canada.
I'm pretty sure most Western democracies don't leave national elections to state or local officials to manage and conduct national elections, precisely to avoid the kinds of partisan voter suppression and willful incompetence demonstrated in Florida.
It's a sticky state vs federal rights issue.
state elections are often ran at the same time as federal elections
and our laws pertaining to voting isn't exactly a federal law it's handled by each state there is just a broad framework to follow which allows for wildly different results.
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On November 17 2012 05:15 Defacer wrote:
The US needs an independent federal organization to standardize and run national elections, similar to Elections Canada.
I'm pretty sure most Western democracies don't leave national elections to state or local officials to manage and conduct national elections, precisely to avoid the kinds of partisan voter suppression and willful incompetence demonstrated in Florida.
To be fair many states are as big as many western countries. I'm not too well read on other countries but Sweden has a governmental organization, Valmyndigheten, which administers elections and works top down, and has responsibility for fair and clean elections.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
similarly large states like new york had no problems though, especially considering florida is a chronic case, and arizona this year has shown off the charts level of intentional mangling of the system
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
obama's election was expected.
fiscal cliff is the most sensitive issue in the u.s. right now. obama's tough talk on negotiations prob did jilt the market a bit. though one should note that this danger is overexaggerated and i think republicans will give in.
real economy is still in the shitter because of consistently depressed aggregate demand and still deleveraging private households.
europe is looking to take a dive so if that happens it'll get fucked a bit more.
so yea
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seeing as the market is one big precession of the simulacrum, I don't really see how it matters
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On November 17 2012 05:27 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 05:15 Defacer wrote:
The US needs an independent federal organization to standardize and run national elections, similar to Elections Canada.
I'm pretty sure most Western democracies don't leave national elections to state or local officials to manage and conduct national elections, precisely to avoid the kinds of partisan voter suppression and willful incompetence demonstrated in Florida. To be fair many states are as big as many western countries. I'm not too well read on other countries but Sweden has a governmental organization, Valmyndigheten, which administers elections and works top down, and has responsibility for fair and clean elections.
Good point. It would be costly, for sure.
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On November 17 2012 05:56 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 05:27 HellRoxYa wrote:On November 17 2012 05:15 Defacer wrote:
The US needs an independent federal organization to standardize and run national elections, similar to Elections Canada.
I'm pretty sure most Western democracies don't leave national elections to state or local officials to manage and conduct national elections, precisely to avoid the kinds of partisan voter suppression and willful incompetence demonstrated in Florida. To be fair many states are as big as many western countries. I'm not too well read on other countries but Sweden has a governmental organization, Valmyndigheten, which administers elections and works top down, and has responsibility for fair and clean elections. Good point. It would be costly, for sure.
Meh, I don't think that was my point really. It's more that the states are big enough that they should be able to handle elections through state agencies. I don't think the costs would vary much at all if you moved it to a federal level. Personally I think the federal level is the only thing that makes sense, working with states top down to make sure that everyone in the country is playing with the same rules - as they should. States might haggle with the government for certain exceptions or additions to voting in their states according to whatever specials needs they might have but these should, logically, be few and far between.
The end goal should be to make sure that everyone has one vote and actually gets to use it. It should not be to allow states to limit votes "if they want to because it is their right".
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I don't know what an "Obamba" or "graff" is, but considering Wall Street was pretty openly supporting Romney, I'm not surprised at what the graph is showing. It doesn't actually say anything about Obama except that Wall Street responded unfavorably to his re-election. A more telling graph will be what it does over the next four years.
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On November 17 2012 06:02 ZasZ. wrote:I don't know what an "Obamba" or "graff" is, but considering Wall Street was pretty openly supporting Romney, I'm not surprised at what the graph is showing. It doesn't actually say anything about Obama except that Wall Street responded unfavorably to his re-election. A more telling graph will be what it does over the next four years.
Anyone that thinks that he can predict the global markets is a fool. Anyway, confirmation bias, blah blah blah. The markets will rise again in days/weeks/months and people will say it's because of some random bill obama passed, or because the markets in Europe are doing better, or because of some other dumb pattern seeking bullshit we humans are fond of.
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
So why aren't democrats willing to cut medicare and social security when senior don't vote for dems anyways.
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