President Obama Re-Elected - Page 1195

On November 06 2012 01:48 kmillz wrote:


If Obama looks right wing by a European standpoint then I definitely don't want to ever live there. Can't imagine how far left you gotta be to think Obama looks right.

On November 06 2012 02:37 RavenLoud wrote:


Obama is only "left" in the US I'm afraid. I think the problem might be on your end.

On November 06 2012 02:41 Danglars wrote:
Well, last CNN poll was pretty encouraging. http://washingtonexaminer.com/romney-winning-independents-59-35/article/2512610#.UJfn3MXA-4d］CNN poll shows Romney with a huge lead in independents, the big reason swing states are that way. They give the Democrats a +11 edge in the sample to get a tie at 49-49, which is ludicrous. It hasn't been that way in the past, And Republicans have been more motivated to vote, as the 2010 election shows. Give dems a more modest advantage, the +2 to +7 advantage, and its pretty good news for Team Romney.

That's my take on it. Republican turnout will be better than polls are predicting now, and independents will break for Romney. R takes Florida and Minnesota. Virginia and Ohio, I can't really say. I'm calling Romney for winner of popular vote (insignificant to election results).

On November 06 2012 01:59 Zaqwert wrote:


1. Private charities provide WAY more actual assistances than the feds after disasters. For every $1 the government spends fruitfully they piss about $100 away. Besides, FEMA is a drop in the bucket, much like PBS, it's just pointless demagoguery to talk about it either of them.

2. The problem is SPENDING. The deficit and the debt have been caused by massive overspending, no amount of tax increases will help, no amount of tax cuts will hurt, without aggressive spending cuts the US budget is foobar'ed.

3. Climate Change, formerly known as global warming, fomerly known as global cooling, formerly known as some other made up term, is make believe and nothing more than an excuse for expansion of government power. For the government to increase control of the economy and have more power over individual's lives they have invented a fake crisis to combat.

4. Aboriton has been legal for 20+ years and will be never be illegal again in the US. Using silly scare tactics to try to dupe naive women into voting for your side is rather silly. I'm pretty sure we had a Republican president and Congress for 6 yeras and guess what, abortion is every bit as legal now as it was then.

5. Obama's foreign policy has been identical to Bush's. Neither Romney or Obama have much of a foreign policy difference at all.

6. The government will destroy health care. Health care is a market just like any other, and the government meddling in it will simply distort it and make it worse. Our country is damn near broke and the last thing this sinking swimmer needs is another 50 ton entitlement program strapped to it's back.


Your arguments are nothing more than pandering to poor people and special interest groups and promising them goodies or scaring them into supporting your side.

No where do you mention things like hard work, economic growth, individual liberty, etc. These are the things that make a country great. Not electing politicans who will steal from others to give to you. As the number of parasites grow, eventually the host will die.

On November 06 2012 01:48 kmillz wrote:


If Obama looks right wing by a European standpoint then I definitely don't want to ever live there. Can't imagine how far left you gotta be to think Obama looks right.

On November 06 2012 01:59 Fischbacher wrote:

I would also point out that Obama is very much a right winger from a Canadian POV, too. Obamacare in particulare would be considered extremist (as in far right) in Canada, and even our Conservative party "evolved" before he did on gay marriage.

On November 06 2012 01:42 JDub wrote:

While a lot of things will be the same regardless of who our president is, there are certain issues where which candidate wins does matter a lot.

1) Disaster relief. Compare the federal response to Sandy under Obama to the response to Katrina under Bush. Romney doesn't believe the federal government should play a big role (or any role) in disaster relief.

2) Tax rates. If you are in the upper 1% then you're taxes will rise under Obama and fall under Romney. Romney claims he won't raise taxes on the middle class but his tax plan is also not mathematically feasible, so taxes on middle class families will rise under Romney or the deficit will balloon.

3) Climate change. Republicans aren't committed to doing anything about it, whereas Democrats are. If you think it's all a big hoax by the entire scientific community, or if you don't give a shit about the future of humanity, then vote for Romney.

4) Women's and minority's rights. If the right to choose for women or the right to get married for gays are important to you, then you should vote for Obama.

5) Foreign policy. Our president in many ways shapes the way the rest of the world thinks about us, and as commander in chief makes a lot of big decisions about our military actions. War is not to be taken lightly, given the vast toll it takes on the members of our military while in action and when they get home from war. I'm not too sure what we'd get foreign policy-wise with a Romney/Ryan administration, since they had been very critical of Obama's foreign policy for months, and then Romney did a 180 in the 3rd debate and started agreeing with most of what Obama has done in foreign policy.

6) Healthcare. If Obamacare is repealed as Romney has said he wants, then millions of people will lose their insurance and people with pre-existing conditions will no longer be able to get insurance. It's unclear how Romney will deal with these issues.

On November 06 2012 03:01 RvB wrote:


I agree with you on Obama being centrist. People saying he's right wing for a European are exagerating, atleast in the political arena in the Netherlands I don't know how it is in the rest of Europe.

On November 06 2012 02:41 Adila wrote:


That's what we call American Exceptionalism.

On November 06 2012 02:49 Wombat_NI wrote:

1. Perhaps long-term in the aftermath of a disaster that's correct, FEMA and other government agencies have the capacity to mobilise to deal with such a situation in the immediate aftermath.

2. Spending is an issue, but balancing the budget means looking at the revenue side of things as well. The Republicans by and large have only promoted slashing spending, often that which aids the lower socio-economic class. All well and good, but the political establishment has to look at the bloated, bloated cash-sieve that is defence spending before complaining about government waste.

3. Climate change is a pretty easy enough phenomenon to understand. The only reason the terms change are changeable because people are stupid and go 'global warming hur hur, why is it snowing?'. To be fair, I do think this is a private sector issue and they can deal with it in time.

4. Nobody would be scaremongering if it wasn't for Republican rhetoric about repealing Roe v Wade. This is manifesting itself in the scramble in the primaries to get the 'Tea Party's' support and the Christian right-wingers. I don't personally feel that many of the Republicans actually want to remove women's reproductive rights, but have to claim they would for political expediency's sake. It's the political environment with a much more visible right-wing presence that causes an equivalent reaction from anyone who is to the left of that.

5. Yes except Romney's European excursion was pretty disastrous. Say what you like about Obama but he does play the part of a statesman well. I don't see Romney being too big a departure in terms of his policy and general positions though.

6. Healthcare isn't a market just because you say it is. Other forms of healthcare work perfectly well in other parts of the world including *gasp* Europe. If the private market was so efficient, why is healthcare in the US havemore expensive per-person expenditure and worse outcomes than other systems of healthcare?

On November 06 2012 02:55 sevencck wrote:


Lol, no he isn't. Harper is further right than Obama.

On November 06 2012 02:49 Wombat_NI wrote:
4. Nobody would be scaremongering if it wasn't for Republican rhetoric about repealing Roe v Wade. This is manifesting itself in the scramble in the primaries to get the 'Tea Party's' support and the Christian right-wingers. I don't personally feel that many of the Republicans actually want to remove women's reproductive rights, but have to claim they would for political expediency's sake. It's the political environment with a much more visible right-wing presence that causes an equivalent reaction from anyone who is to the left of that.