EPTI have student loans too. What is he gonna do to them?
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
I have student loans too. What is he gonna do to them? | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
Fear for them regardless of who is elected. | ||
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naastyOne
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:31 aksfjh wrote: Fear for them regardless of who is elected. Obama has reformed student loans to make it easier for people to pay them off. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:58 TheTenthDoc wrote: While the part of the preamble that says the newly born federal government was formed to "promote the general welfare" does not confer any powers directly to alleviate suffering, it does suggest that at the very least the government was formed to make people better off in general. Where you draw the brightline for "too much promotion" is more a matter of ideology than it is of any particular inherent aspect of the federal system. Edit: Given the competitive nature of the states regarding jobs (Texas vs. California for example right now), they don't do a very good job of promoting the general welfare with regard to that aspect of the country, anyway. I probably should have clarified I think that's an interpretive difference, not a definitive one. I consider the general welfare to be defending Citizens against foreign aggression, enforcing contractual obligations and settling internal disputes between citizens. All of which makes peoples lives better off in general. So yeah...we agree? O_o? -ish? Basically it's up to the Supreme Court. That being said, anything not specifically enumerated I consider unconstitutional barring an amendment, so it's not purely ideological. After all that was the point of enumerating the powers of the government and not the citizens. | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:39 Kimaker wrote: I probably should have clarified I think that's an interpretive difference, not a definitive one. I consider the general welfare to be defending Citizens against foreign aggression, enforcing contractual obligations and settling internal disputes between citizens. All of which makes peoples lives better off in general. So yeah...we agree? O_o? -ish? Basically it's up to the Supreme Court. That being said, anything not specifically enumerated I consider unconstitutional barring an amendment, so it's not purely ideological. After all that was the point of enumerating the powers of the government and not the citizens. I still want to hear what you blame about the 14th amendment. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:32 Souma wrote: Obama has reformed student loans to make it easier for people to pay them off. He has proposed to reform them. With a Republican Congress that turns its head at even the tiniest hint of Obama policy, we're likely to end up with nothing on the student loans front. What Obama has done is increase access to government loans and grants. If you're currently enrolled or graduated, it doesn't help you much. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:32 Souma wrote: Obama has reformed student loans to make it easier for people to pay them off. And is only facilitating never ending college cost inflation by constantly pumping more money in to student loans whenever colleges up the price. Half of all students drop out of college before completing their degrees. College needs to be harder to do, not easier. It is just that nobody wants to hear that because they live in fantasy land where college = good so the government should fund it and promote it endlessly. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
And we all know, kids: radical thinking is bad. edit: On October 24 2012 08:46 Romantic wrote: College needs to be harder to do, not easier. It is just that nobody wants to hear that because they live in fantasy land where college = good so the government should fund it and promote it endlessly. spot on edit: well, college IS good, but it does need to be harder. But then you would have to pay for a functional primary school system so fuck it I guess | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
I would laugh so hard if there was a 269/269 tie and an elector flips the election one way or another. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:46 Romantic wrote: And is only facilitating never ending college cost inflation by constantly pumping more money in to student loans whenever colleges up the price. Half of all students drop out of college before completing their degrees. College needs to be harder to do, not easier. It is just that nobody wants to hear that because they live in fantasy land where college = good so the government should fund it and promote it endlessly. College education is a huge boon to individuals and the economy overall. By restricting access to college through socioeconomic segregation, you're hurting everybody. The system itself leaves a lot to be desired, but restricting access at all will not solve those problems. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:46 aksfjh wrote: He has proposed to reform them. With a Republican Congress that turns its head at even the tiniest hint of Obama policy, we're likely to end up with nothing on the student loans front. What Obama has done is increase access to government loans and grants. If you're currently enrolled or graduated, it doesn't help you much. The reform I'm talking about is already in place. However, not many people are taking advantage of it apparently. On October 24 2012 08:46 Romantic wrote: And is only facilitating never ending college cost inflation by constantly pumping more money in to student loans whenever colleges up the price. Half of all students drop out of college before completing their degrees. College needs to be harder to do, not easier. It is just that nobody wants to hear that because they live in fantasy land where college = good so the government should fund it and promote it endlessly. Uh, in what way is giving students financial aid making college EASIER? Giving them financial aid does not boost their academic ability, their resumes, their SAT scores, nothing. Half of all students drop out of college, sure. That's mainly because of financial reasons. Maybe if these people could afford college they wouldn't drop out. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:39 Kimaker wrote: I probably should have clarified I think that's an interpretive difference, not a definitive one. I consider the general welfare to be defending Citizens against foreign aggression, enforcing contractual obligations and settling internal disputes between citizens. All of which makes peoples lives better off in general. So yeah...we agree? O_o? -ish? Basically it's up to the Supreme Court. That being said, anything not specifically enumerated I consider unconstitutional barring an amendment, so it's not purely ideological. After all that was the point of enumerating the powers of the government and not the citizens. Anything not specifically enumerated being unconstitutional is itself an ideological stance, especially because "specifically enumerated" is itself a purely subjective term. I was just saying that pointing to Federalism as meaning "the federal government doesn't exist to alleviate individual suffering" has no basis in the Constitution (which is the defining artifact of the purpose of the federal government) and, indeed, contains some evidence to the contrary. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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Swazi Spring
United States415 Posts
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Swazi Spring
United States415 Posts
On October 24 2012 05:48 Biff The Understudy wrote: That remind me when an American president was elected despite obvious fraud and that the non democratically nominated supreme court decided that it was ok. I'm pretty sure all of those American who thought they would get a secular and democratic president were not happy with the election when a conservative moron called George Bush got "elected". Ah, double standard. Anyway. The point is, MB got elected. You prefer Mubarak? Don't say anything in your whole life about believing in Democracy. It sounds like you don't understand how American politics work. Bush won because he got the electoral vote, and he's hardly the first person to win the electoral vote, but not the popular vote; in fact it's happened 4 times thus far and there's a good chance that it will happen this year (Romney wins popular vote, Obama wins electoral college). | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:46 Romantic wrote: One could argue some undergraduate studies and majors need to become more difficult ACADEMICALLY. Making a more restrictive socioeconomic barrier for participation in such academics is just making some needless trouble for everyone and would not make a stronger middle class or general population in the long run. I can't believe a post like this was taken seriously. And is only facilitating never ending college cost inflation by constantly pumping more money in to student loans whenever colleges up the price. Half of all students drop out of college before completing their degrees. College needs to be harder to do, not easier. It is just that nobody wants to hear that because they live in fantasy land where college = good so the government should fund it and promote it endlessly. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:29 Souma wrote: I'm wondering if Romney gets elected if it'll affect me personally in any way. A little curious. It could if you get a girl pregnant. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
http://live.freeandequal.org/stream.html Also on C-SPAN | ||
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