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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
googolplex
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States280 Posts
May 09 2013 02:06 GMT
#1861
Interesting updates so far...
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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
May 09 2013 02:21 GMT
#1862
On May 09 2013 10:54 BoozerRip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 08:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
Police buried Trayvon's criminal history

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/


Do you have any information from a source that isn't complete trash? Just look at the books the guy that made this article wrote:

http://imgur.com/aO1wKuj

Not to mention that the site is SUPER conservative on top of that.


Oh my god, haha. I actually cringed upon clicking that link. That's probably the least authoritative source possible. Would be nice to see if this information is true (i.e. corroborated by a non-shithole source of information)
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 02:35:16
May 09 2013 02:32 GMT
#1863
On May 09 2013 10:54 BoozerRip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 08:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
Police buried Trayvon's criminal history

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/


Do you have any information from a source that isn't complete trash? Just look at the books the guy that made this article wrote:

http://imgur.com/aO1wKuj

Not to mention that the site is SUPER conservative on top of that.


So what?

WND is a trash site but the conservativeness or liberalness of a source shouldn't matter as long as you can view the source material.

And if you had read the link instead of backing away in horror, you would have found a link to a blog that has a link to the source material:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/136164820/sergeant-Lourdes-Hodges-Sworn-Statement-Affidavit

Anyway there's a lot of filler there but what it boils down to is that it's a record of an Internal Affairs investigation into who leaked information in school files about Trayvon to the Miami Herald. It also touches on possible covering up of criminal incidents involving minority students at Miami-Dade public schools, including Trayvon Martin.

And here is the link to the (conservative, be warned!) blog. Part 7 of their investigation into Trayvon's run-ins with the law.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/04/16/part-7-the-trayvon-martin-cover-up-sgt-lourdes-hodges-trayvon-foia-14/#more-61679
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
May 09 2013 02:37 GMT
#1864
On May 09 2013 10:43 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 09:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.

Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.

The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.

Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.


The court system treats jurors like slaves pretty much... show up here, sit around, sit around some more, find out you're on the jury, show up, sit around, sit around, miss work, sit around, get paid a piddling $15 a day to be a juror, sometimes you don't even get a lunch per diem...

It's total nonsense to ask people to basically give up at least one paycheck in return for about 200 dollars to be a juror for 2 weeks. And of course a lot of the time trials are much longer than that...

If the government properly compensated jurors, people wouldn't try to get out of jury duty.


Yes, they do treat you like slaves and I won't deny there should be massive overhaul in the way they treat and compensate people. But to call people who decide to stick it out and fulfill their obligation stupid is idiotic and insulting.


true, but sadly it is realistic. Maybe one person out of a hundred decides to truly do his duty, most others either fall into the categories "i don't have anything to do anyway", "i don't have an excuse to get out of it". I agree that you shouldn't insult people who do their duty (maybe you can call them naive, but in that context I'd consider naive a compliment), but it doesn't change the facts which you can easily verify. In any given jury there might be a single person who feels that is his duty and he needs to do it. Most others are there for the reasons stated above.

Juries itself are flawed because the judgement is based on the understanding of the people who make up the jury, in most cases they have 0 relevant training, except for what they see on TV (if you want to call that relevant information, I wouldn't). The idea that you need to be judged by your peers instead of a single judge, is a good idea philosophically, but in practice it has massive problems. One of those is that so called "expert opinions" are believed as if they were gospel unless the defense can create serious doubts about the expert. That was the point which started this whole digression remember?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
May 09 2013 02:42 GMT
#1865
On May 09 2013 10:43 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 09:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.

Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.

The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.

Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.


The court system treats jurors like slaves pretty much... show up here, sit around, sit around some more, find out you're on the jury, show up, sit around, sit around, miss work, sit around, get paid a piddling $15 a day to be a juror, sometimes you don't even get a lunch per diem...

It's total nonsense to ask people to basically give up at least one paycheck in return for about 200 dollars to be a juror for 2 weeks. And of course a lot of the time trials are much longer than that...

If the government properly compensated jurors, people wouldn't try to get out of jury duty.


Yes, they do treat you like slaves and I won't deny there should be massive overhaul in the way they treat and compensate people. But to call people who decide to stick it out and fulfill their obligation stupid is idiotic and insulting.


Let's not forget this trial is likely to be lengthy, and will require the jury to be sequestered. In addition to that, would you want to be a juror in a trial that acquits Zimmerman given all the death threats and riotous mobs revolving around this case ? If there was ever a case to avoid jury duty, it's this one.
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
May 09 2013 03:13 GMT
#1866
On May 09 2013 11:42 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 10:43 heliusx wrote:
On May 09 2013 09:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.

Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.

The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.

Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.


The court system treats jurors like slaves pretty much... show up here, sit around, sit around some more, find out you're on the jury, show up, sit around, sit around, miss work, sit around, get paid a piddling $15 a day to be a juror, sometimes you don't even get a lunch per diem...

It's total nonsense to ask people to basically give up at least one paycheck in return for about 200 dollars to be a juror for 2 weeks. And of course a lot of the time trials are much longer than that...

If the government properly compensated jurors, people wouldn't try to get out of jury duty.


Yes, they do treat you like slaves and I won't deny there should be massive overhaul in the way they treat and compensate people. But to call people who decide to stick it out and fulfill their obligation stupid is idiotic and insulting.


Let's not forget this trial is likely to be lengthy, and will require the jury to be sequestered. In addition to that, would you want to be a juror in a trial that acquits Zimmerman given all the death threats and riotous mobs revolving around this case ? If there was ever a case to avoid jury duty, it's this one.

Jurors have their names withheld don't they? You can't just do a little googling and find out who was on what jury can you?
Who called in the fleet?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 06:35:16
May 09 2013 06:33 GMT
#1867
On May 09 2013 10:43 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 09:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.

Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.

The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.

Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.


The court system treats jurors like slaves pretty much... show up here, sit around, sit around some more, find out you're on the jury, show up, sit around, sit around, miss work, sit around, get paid a piddling $15 a day to be a juror, sometimes you don't even get a lunch per diem...

It's total nonsense to ask people to basically give up at least one paycheck in return for about 200 dollars to be a juror for 2 weeks. And of course a lot of the time trials are much longer than that...

If the government properly compensated jurors, people wouldn't try to get out of jury duty.


Yes, they do treat you like slaves and I won't deny there should be massive overhaul in the way they treat and compensate people. But to call people who decide to stick it out and fulfill their obligation stupid is idiotic and insulting.

i didn't say people who do their civic duty are stupid--im saying nobody wants to do their civic duty and the people who arent smart enough to figure out how to get out of it arent the most intelligent people. you seem to be very upset at reality--smart people get out of jury duty because they have better things to do. this isnt some novel theory i made up.

btw, i am not even the person who made it up...apparently norm crosby did....

"When you go to court, you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty." -- norm crosby
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
May 09 2013 07:54 GMT
#1868
On May 09 2013 12:13 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 11:42 Kaitlin wrote:
On May 09 2013 10:43 heliusx wrote:
On May 09 2013 09:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.

Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.

The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.

Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.


The court system treats jurors like slaves pretty much... show up here, sit around, sit around some more, find out you're on the jury, show up, sit around, sit around, miss work, sit around, get paid a piddling $15 a day to be a juror, sometimes you don't even get a lunch per diem...

It's total nonsense to ask people to basically give up at least one paycheck in return for about 200 dollars to be a juror for 2 weeks. And of course a lot of the time trials are much longer than that...

If the government properly compensated jurors, people wouldn't try to get out of jury duty.


Yes, they do treat you like slaves and I won't deny there should be massive overhaul in the way they treat and compensate people. But to call people who decide to stick it out and fulfill their obligation stupid is idiotic and insulting.


Let's not forget this trial is likely to be lengthy, and will require the jury to be sequestered. In addition to that, would you want to be a juror in a trial that acquits Zimmerman given all the death threats and riotous mobs revolving around this case ? If there was ever a case to avoid jury duty, it's this one.

Jurors have their names withheld don't they? You can't just do a little googling and find out who was on what jury can you?

Trials are almost always public. Go down to your local courtroom and sit in sometime. There are very few exceptions (mostly for juveniles). Not mention reporters will be camping out the building, I'm sure they'll determine which people entering and leaving the building/courtroom daily are the jurors. So it's not like the identities are going to be unknown for long.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 09 2013 20:21 GMT
#1869
On May 09 2013 16:54 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 12:13 Millitron wrote:
On May 09 2013 11:42 Kaitlin wrote:
On May 09 2013 10:43 heliusx wrote:
On May 09 2013 09:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.

Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.

The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.

Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.


The court system treats jurors like slaves pretty much... show up here, sit around, sit around some more, find out you're on the jury, show up, sit around, sit around, miss work, sit around, get paid a piddling $15 a day to be a juror, sometimes you don't even get a lunch per diem...

It's total nonsense to ask people to basically give up at least one paycheck in return for about 200 dollars to be a juror for 2 weeks. And of course a lot of the time trials are much longer than that...

If the government properly compensated jurors, people wouldn't try to get out of jury duty.


Yes, they do treat you like slaves and I won't deny there should be massive overhaul in the way they treat and compensate people. But to call people who decide to stick it out and fulfill their obligation stupid is idiotic and insulting.


Let's not forget this trial is likely to be lengthy, and will require the jury to be sequestered. In addition to that, would you want to be a juror in a trial that acquits Zimmerman given all the death threats and riotous mobs revolving around this case ? If there was ever a case to avoid jury duty, it's this one.

Jurors have their names withheld don't they? You can't just do a little googling and find out who was on what jury can you?

Trials are almost always public. Go down to your local courtroom and sit in sometime. There are very few exceptions (mostly for juveniles). Not mention reporters will be camping out the building, I'm sure they'll determine which people entering and leaving the building/courtroom daily are the jurors. So it's not like the identities are going to be unknown for long.

Zimmerman's attorneys have filed a motion to have the identities of the jury kept confidential. He also filed a motion to have the jury go to the scene of the shooting.

George Zimmerman defense wants jury to view shooting scene

Attorneys for George Zimmerman want jurors in his second-degree murder trial to inspect the scene where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in February 2012.

Attorney Mark O'Mara filed a motion Thursday to allow the jury to travel to the Retreat at Twin Lakes subdivision in Sanford.

The motion says, "… details of witness testimony related to time and location will receive extraordinary scrutiny by a jury, perhaps down to seconds and inches."

The motion says some witnesses heard parts of the incident and other witnesses saw parts of the incident, but no one witnessed the whole thing.

When a jury views a scene, no one is allowed to discuss anything related to the trial with them.

Another motion filed Thursday requests that the identities of potential jurors be kept a secret from the public.

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/george-zimmerman-defense-wants-jury-to-view-shooting-scene/-/14266478/20083806/-/5wer57/-/index.html#ixzz2SpRpK9tF
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
May 24 2013 00:22 GMT
#1870
Trayvon's cell phone records have been released. They include messages about purchasing illegal handguns, drugs, and assaulting people for snitching.

http://gzlegalcase.com/discovery_3.html

They also recovered photographs of Trayvon using and manufacturing drugs, and wielding a handgun.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/discovery_3/tm_photos/thumbnail_photos.pdf
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/discovery_3/tm_photos/phone_photos.pdf
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
May 24 2013 00:31 GMT
#1871
On May 24 2013 09:22 Zaqwe wrote:
Trayvon's cell phone records have been released. They include messages about purchasing illegal handguns, drugs, and assaulting people for snitching.

http://gzlegalcase.com/discovery_3.html

They also recovered photographs of Trayvon using and manufacturing drugs, and wielding a handgun.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/discovery_3/tm_photos/thumbnail_photos.pdf
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/discovery_3/tm_photos/phone_photos.pdf


I'm sure the world will be shocked to see this, lol.
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 24 2013 00:34 GMT
#1872
On May 24 2013 09:22 Zaqwe wrote:
Trayvon's cell phone records have been released. They include messages about purchasing illegal handguns, drugs, and assaulting people for snitching.

http://gzlegalcase.com/discovery_3.html

They also recovered photographs of Trayvon using and manufacturing drugs, and wielding a handgun.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/discovery_3/tm_photos/thumbnail_photos.pdf
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/discovery_3/tm_photos/phone_photos.pdf

Very poor trigger discipline.
Turn off the radio
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 24 2013 00:38 GMT
#1873
It is so sad that the prosecution hasn't dropped the charges yet.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
May 24 2013 00:48 GMT
#1874
Prosecution should try to cut a deal for manslaughter before this turns into a circus of a trial, or maybe even just give up.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
hikid
Profile Joined May 2011
United States6 Posts
May 24 2013 01:18 GMT
#1875
And to think that ALL of this could have been avoided had Zimmerman simply not confronted the individual regardless of who was right or wrong.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 01:53:23
May 24 2013 01:18 GMT
#1876
I looked through those phone text messages. I don't know if I understood it completely because it's a bunch of illiterate garbage, but it seems Trayvon had a gun but may have sold it... Hard to decipher exactly though. Pretty much obliterates the media's reporting of who he was. He was talking about getting in fights and all kinds of thuggish behavior. Coincidentally, whoever he was texting with commented about him getting himself shot in the chest.

On May 24 2013 09:48 NEOtheONE wrote:
Prosecution should try to cut a deal for manslaughter before this turns into a circus of a trial, or maybe even just give up.


After all this, I doubt Zimmerman should even plead guilty to illegal discharge of a firearm, as he's likely innocent of that as well. This is not going to end well, as far as public reaction.
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
May 24 2013 15:05 GMT
#1877
On May 24 2013 10:18 hikid wrote:
And to think that ALL of this could have been avoided had Zimmerman simply not confronted the individual regardless of who was right or wrong.

Zimmerman did not confront Trayvon.

According to both Zimmerman and the female on the phone with Trayvon it was Trayvon who confronted Zimmerman. The words they describe being exchanged are different but they agree on the sequence of events.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 23:33:37
May 26 2013 23:33 GMT
#1878
On May 25 2013 00:05 Zaqwe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 10:18 hikid wrote:
And to think that ALL of this could have been avoided had Zimmerman simply not confronted the individual regardless of who was right or wrong.

Zimmerman did not confront Trayvon.

According to both Zimmerman and the female on the phone with Trayvon it was Trayvon who confronted Zimmerman. The words they describe being exchanged are different but they agree on the sequence of events.


Yea I think Zimmerman is good as free now. All the pieces add up, and the defense will argue that Martin's cellphone pictures prove his violent tendencies (consistent with Zimmerman's story and his wounds)... I would be very surprised if he will be found guilty of anything now.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
May 26 2013 23:52 GMT
#1879
On May 27 2013 08:33 Sufficiency wrote:
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On May 25 2013 00:05 Zaqwe wrote:
On May 24 2013 10:18 hikid wrote:
And to think that ALL of this could have been avoided had Zimmerman simply not confronted the individual regardless of who was right or wrong.

Zimmerman did not confront Trayvon.

According to both Zimmerman and the female on the phone with Trayvon it was Trayvon who confronted Zimmerman. The words they describe being exchanged are different but they agree on the sequence of events.


Yea I think Zimmerman is good as free now. All the pieces add up, and the defense will argue that Martin's cellphone pictures prove his violent tendencies (consistent with Zimmerman's story and his wounds)... I would be very surprised if he will be found guilty of anything now.

Is their a source to this?

Assuming ^^ is true:
Good lord...I feel so bad for Zimmerman now...Man has been branded as a racist, threatened, mocked etc... I am just so confused at all of the events that have happened... I still remember the protest that happened on my campus a couple of days later after the shooting. People were shouting PD is racist, Zimmerman is racist, hate blah blah blah etc... The whole media coverage was terrible too.

Even before the text history back when there was a lot of evidence (nothing sure though) for both sides the media just went out of the way to go play the race card. I really hate the sensationalism the media whores out on...
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 02:02:18
May 27 2013 01:55 GMT
#1880
On April 18 2013 08:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
Police buried Trayvon's criminal history

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Some deaths are more politically useful than others.

Twenty years ago this week, the Clinton administration ordered a tank assault on the Mount Carmel community, killing 39 racial minorities, 26 of them black. The Clintons and the media suppressed the racial data so rigorously that I doubt even Al Sharpton knows about the black dead at Waco.

A year ago Feb. 26, neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., and within a month every sentient person on the planet knew “Trayvon” by name.

What they did not know was Martin’s background. Sanford Police Department (SPD) investigator Chris Serino, for instance, said publicly of Martin, “This child has no criminal record whatsoever.” He called Martin “a good kid, a mild-mannered kid.” The media almost universally sustained this tragically false narrative.

Martin had the seeming good fortune of attending school in the Miami-Dade School District, the fourth-largest district in the country and one of the few with its own police department.

For a variety of reasons, none of them good, elements within the SPD and the Miami-Dade School District Police Department, or M-DSPD, conspired to keep Martin’s criminal history buried.

See Jack Cashill’s stunning work, in “Deconstructing Obama,” “First Strike,” “Hoodwinked,” “Officer’s Oath” and more.

As part of its mission the M-DSPD was allegedly trying to divert offending students, especially black males, from the criminal justice system. As the Martin death would prove, the M-DSPD diverted offending students to nothing beyond its own statistical glory.

The exposure of M-DSPD practices began inadvertently on March 26, 2012, when the Miami Herald, the one mainstream outlet to do real reporting on the case, ran a story on Martin’s background.

The Herald’s headline, “Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin,” should have caused the other media to seek the truth about the very nearly sanctified Martin.

It did not. What it did do was to cause M-DSPD Police Chief Charles Hurley to launch a major Internal Affairs (IA) investigation into the possible leak of this information to the Herald.

At the end of the day, Hurley rather wished he had not. The detectives questioned told the truth about Martin and about the policies that kept him out of the justice system. Hurley would be demoted and forced out of the department within a year.

We now know what the detectives revealed thanks to a recently fulfilled Freedom of Information Act request filed by the dogged researchers at a blogging collective known as The Conservative Treehouse. The “Treepers” have literally done more good work on the Martin case than all the newsrooms in America combined.

On Feb. 15, 2012, 11 days before Martin’s death, the Miami-Dade County Public Schools put out a press release boasting of a 60 percent decline in school-based arrests, the largest decline by far in the state.

“While our work is not completed, we are making tremendous progress in moving toward a pure prevention model,” Hurley told the Tampa Bay Times, “with enforcement as a last resort and an emphasis on education.”

Hurley’s detectives, all of them veterans with excellent records, told a different story under oath when questioned by Internal Affairs. They knew the shell game was about to be exposed upon first learning that Martin was one of their students and outside agencies would be requesting his records.

“Oh, God, oh, my God, oh, God,” one major reportedly said when first looking at Martin’s data. He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.

In each case, the case file on Martin was fudged to make the crime less serious than it was. As one detective told IA, the arrest statistics coming out of Martin’s school, Michael Krop Senior, had been “quite high,” and the detectives “needed to find some way to lower the stats.” This directive allegedly came from Hurley.

“Chief Hurley, for the past year, has been telling his command staff to lower the arrest rates,” confirmed another high-ranking detective.

When asked by IA whether the M-DSPD was avoiding making arrests, that detective replied, “What Chief Hurley said on the record is that he commends the officer for using his discretion. What Chief Hurley really meant is that he’s commended the officer for falsifying a police report.”

The IA interrogators seemed stunned by what they were hearing. They asked one female detective incredulously if she were actually ordered to “falsify reports.” She answered, “Pretty much, yes.”

Once the top brass understood that the Martin case had the potential to expose the reason for the department’s stunning drop in crime, they told the detectives “to make sure they start writing reports as is; don’t omit anything.”

“Oh, now, the chief wants us to write reports as is,” said a Hispanic detective sarcastically, “and not omit anything, as we have been advised in the past?”

The IA investigation delved into the paranoid concern that the M-DSPD was sharing information about Martin with other relevant police departments as it routinely did in other multi-jurisdictional cases.

The one detective who sent information to the Sanford PD came under heavy fire. He was appalled. “Currently, our department is functioning and operating out of fear,” he told the IA. “It is tragic to see that I’ve been disciplined at the direction of Chief Hurley.”

As it turned out, Hurley need not have worried about the SPD. As the Conservative Treehouse reports, the information sent by the M-DSPD “disappeared down the rabbit hole and was not included in the final victimology report filed by Sanford Detective Serino.”

Serino was the Martin-friendly detective who had insisted that Martin “has no criminal record whatsoever,” calling him, “a good kid, a mild-mannered kid.”

In Hurley’s defense, school districts across the country had been feeling pressure from the nation’s race hustlers to think twice before disciplining black students. Last year, the White House formalized the pressure with an executive order warning school districts to avoid “methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools.”

Jesse Jackson brought this nonsense home to Sanford during a large April 1, 2012, rally. He implied that Martin had been profiled by his high school for being a black male and suspended for the same reason. “We must stop suspending our children,” Jackson told the crowd.

In a way, Jackson was right. Martin should not have been suspended. He should have been arrested on both occasions. Had he been, his parents and his teachers would have known how desperately far he had gone astray.

Instead, Martin was “diverted” into nothing useful. Just days after his non-arrest, he was allowed to wander the streets of Sanford high and alone looking, in Zimmerman’s immortal words, “like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something.”

At the end of the day, Martin had avoided becoming an arrest statistic, only to become a statistic of a much graver kind.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/


Not to take anything away from DaFreak who's being as objective as possible, but all I can say to this article is "who cares?".

Its about 95% sensationalism with about 5% content thats not even worth reading. Every school protects their students, and its not like Trayvon is a special case. Obama smoked pot as well, and hes the fucking president.

“Oh, God, oh, my God, oh, God,” one major reportedly said when first looking at Martin’s data. He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.


“Oh, God, oh, my God, oh, God,” really? This isn't a fiction book, report the facts. Why is this quote so important, and who is "one major"?

Jesus imagine how much tax people would pay just to fund the amount of prisons if we arrested 50% of students from every school for crimes like this. Kids do stupid shit, the more kids we put in jail, the worse our society ends up in the long run. Even I was worse than this at one point, who knows where I would be if I got imprisoned for all the stupid shit I did, and many many other kids were the same. Also should this change the result of a trial when I get shot? Of course not.

Instead, Martin was “diverted” into nothing useful. Just days after his non-arrest, he was allowed to wander the streets of Sanford high and alone looking, in Zimmerman’s immortal words, “like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something.”


Who gave newspapers a right to say something about someone they know nothing about? With this logic a lot of famous people and apparently the majority of people in Colorado has been "diverted into nothing useful" and are "allowed to wander the streets".

The point is Trayvon was doing nothing wrong at the time given the little or no evidence that Zimmerman had. Apparently his past "criminal records" justify Zimmerman's "immortal words". I don't think I need to say any more than this, you guys should be able to figure out why a quote like this invalidates the entire article.

Terrible journalism at its finest.
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