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Crump: Don't unseal the $1 million-plus settlement Trayvon's parents received
Benjamin Crump has formally asked Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to make sure the specific amount of the $1 million-plus settlement Trayvon Martin's parents reached with George Zimmerman's home owners' association be kept secret.
Trayvon's parents, Crump wrote, "in no way wanted their son killed in order to pursue a civil settlement."
Crump is the attorney for Trayvon's parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, and on April 4, Crump filed a copy of the settlement under seal in George Zimmerman's court case file at the Seminole County Courthouse.
A portion of it was available to the public for a short time the following day, but the total amount and the names of the parties making the settlement payments had been edited out.
On April 5, Seminole County Clerk of Courts Maryanne Morse notified Crump that she intended to unseal it, saying it did not meet the legal standard of a confidential filing.
Morse today said that Nelson will now decide whether it should be unsealed. It's not clear when she will rule.
Last week defense attorney Mark O'Mara filed paperwork, asking the judge to unseal it, saying the payments could reveal a motive for Trayvon's parents to be biased when they testify at Zimmerman's June 10 trial.
O'Mara cited as an example Tracy Martin's initial response when he listened to screams on a 911 tape. Lead investigator Chris Serino, of the Sanford Police Department, played the 911 recording for Trayvon's father a few days after the Feb. 26, 2012 shooting. At that time, Trayvon's father told Serino it was not the voice of his son.
Tracy Martin has since said the opposite.
In paperwork made public today, Crump called O'Mara's suggestion that Tracy Martin had a financial motive to change his story "unintelligible" and "devoid of merit."
He changed his story, Crump wrote, because he has since heard a clearer version of the recording and when he first heard it, was in "an extreme emotional state."
Crump asked the judge to only block the payment amount from public view.
Keeping it secret "is essential to avoid irreparable harm in the negotiations and exposure of other claims/lawsuits," Crump wrote.
"Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin did not encourage or create the circumstances giving rise to the killing of their son Trayvon Martin…," Crump wrote.
Zimmerman is the 29-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder. . The defendant says he acted in self-defense.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-trayvon-hoa-settlement-crump-argument-20130415,0,3666179.story
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Police buried Trayvon's criminal history
Some deaths are more politically useful than others.
Twenty years ago this week, the Clinton administration ordered a tank assault on the Mount Carmel community, killing 39 racial minorities, 26 of them black. The Clintons and the media suppressed the racial data so rigorously that I doubt even Al Sharpton knows about the black dead at Waco.
A year ago Feb. 26, neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., and within a month every sentient person on the planet knew “Trayvon” by name.
What they did not know was Martin’s background. Sanford Police Department (SPD) investigator Chris Serino, for instance, said publicly of Martin, “This child has no criminal record whatsoever.” He called Martin “a good kid, a mild-mannered kid.” The media almost universally sustained this tragically false narrative.
Martin had the seeming good fortune of attending school in the Miami-Dade School District, the fourth-largest district in the country and one of the few with its own police department.
For a variety of reasons, none of them good, elements within the SPD and the Miami-Dade School District Police Department, or M-DSPD, conspired to keep Martin’s criminal history buried.
See Jack Cashill’s stunning work, in “Deconstructing Obama,” “First Strike,” “Hoodwinked,” “Officer’s Oath” and more.
As part of its mission the M-DSPD was allegedly trying to divert offending students, especially black males, from the criminal justice system. As the Martin death would prove, the M-DSPD diverted offending students to nothing beyond its own statistical glory.
The exposure of M-DSPD practices began inadvertently on March 26, 2012, when the Miami Herald, the one mainstream outlet to do real reporting on the case, ran a story on Martin’s background.
The Herald’s headline, “Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin,” should have caused the other media to seek the truth about the very nearly sanctified Martin.
It did not. What it did do was to cause M-DSPD Police Chief Charles Hurley to launch a major Internal Affairs (IA) investigation into the possible leak of this information to the Herald.
At the end of the day, Hurley rather wished he had not. The detectives questioned told the truth about Martin and about the policies that kept him out of the justice system. Hurley would be demoted and forced out of the department within a year.
We now know what the detectives revealed thanks to a recently fulfilled Freedom of Information Act request filed by the dogged researchers at a blogging collective known as The Conservative Treehouse. The “Treepers” have literally done more good work on the Martin case than all the newsrooms in America combined.
On Feb. 15, 2012, 11 days before Martin’s death, the Miami-Dade County Public Schools put out a press release boasting of a 60 percent decline in school-based arrests, the largest decline by far in the state.
“While our work is not completed, we are making tremendous progress in moving toward a pure prevention model,” Hurley told the Tampa Bay Times, “with enforcement as a last resort and an emphasis on education.”
Hurley’s detectives, all of them veterans with excellent records, told a different story under oath when questioned by Internal Affairs. They knew the shell game was about to be exposed upon first learning that Martin was one of their students and outside agencies would be requesting his records.
“Oh, God, oh, my God, oh, God,” one major reportedly said when first looking at Martin’s data. He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.
In each case, the case file on Martin was fudged to make the crime less serious than it was. As one detective told IA, the arrest statistics coming out of Martin’s school, Michael Krop Senior, had been “quite high,” and the detectives “needed to find some way to lower the stats.” This directive allegedly came from Hurley.
“Chief Hurley, for the past year, has been telling his command staff to lower the arrest rates,” confirmed another high-ranking detective.
When asked by IA whether the M-DSPD was avoiding making arrests, that detective replied, “What Chief Hurley said on the record is that he commends the officer for using his discretion. What Chief Hurley really meant is that he’s commended the officer for falsifying a police report.”
The IA interrogators seemed stunned by what they were hearing. They asked one female detective incredulously if she were actually ordered to “falsify reports.” She answered, “Pretty much, yes.”
Once the top brass understood that the Martin case had the potential to expose the reason for the department’s stunning drop in crime, they told the detectives “to make sure they start writing reports as is; don’t omit anything.”
“Oh, now, the chief wants us to write reports as is,” said a Hispanic detective sarcastically, “and not omit anything, as we have been advised in the past?”
The IA investigation delved into the paranoid concern that the M-DSPD was sharing information about Martin with other relevant police departments as it routinely did in other multi-jurisdictional cases.
The one detective who sent information to the Sanford PD came under heavy fire. He was appalled. “Currently, our department is functioning and operating out of fear,” he told the IA. “It is tragic to see that I’ve been disciplined at the direction of Chief Hurley.”
As it turned out, Hurley need not have worried about the SPD. As the Conservative Treehouse reports, the information sent by the M-DSPD “disappeared down the rabbit hole and was not included in the final victimology report filed by Sanford Detective Serino.”
Serino was the Martin-friendly detective who had insisted that Martin “has no criminal record whatsoever,” calling him, “a good kid, a mild-mannered kid.”
In Hurley’s defense, school districts across the country had been feeling pressure from the nation’s race hustlers to think twice before disciplining black students. Last year, the White House formalized the pressure with an executive order warning school districts to avoid “methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools.”
Jesse Jackson brought this nonsense home to Sanford during a large April 1, 2012, rally. He implied that Martin had been profiled by his high school for being a black male and suspended for the same reason. “We must stop suspending our children,” Jackson told the crowd.
In a way, Jackson was right. Martin should not have been suspended. He should have been arrested on both occasions. Had he been, his parents and his teachers would have known how desperately far he had gone astray.
Instead, Martin was “diverted” into nothing useful. Just days after his non-arrest, he was allowed to wander the streets of Sanford high and alone looking, in Zimmerman’s immortal words, “like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something.”
At the end of the day, Martin had avoided becoming an arrest statistic, only to become a statistic of a much graver kind.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/
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just donated a significant amount to the defense,
good luck hope you George get acquitted of all charges
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So, is this new source about Martin's criminal records biased in any way or is it actually much worse than previously known?
We knew about Marijuana, but I don't remember hearing about burglary tools, and that seems much worse tbh. This article at least paints him in a diferent light than what I had read before.
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On April 18 2013 09:12 SKC wrote:
So, is this new source about Martin's criminal records biased in any way or is it actually much worse than previously known?
We knew about Marijuana, but I don't remember hearing about burglary tools, and that seems much worse tbh. This article at least paints him in a diferent light than what I had read before.
i recall both from last year. they were the causes of his suspensions. the interesting issue in the article is that apparently the police force/schools were treating crimes as suspensions--most likely to prevent kids from having criminal records that followed them through their lives. this new information sure puts a damper on any argument that trayvon had no criminal record. although literally true, it kind of misrepresents the issue.
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On April 18 2013 09:12 SKC wrote:
So, is this new source about Martin's criminal records biased in any way or is it actually much worse than previously known?
We knew about Marijuana, but I don't remember hearing about burglary tools, and that seems much worse tbh. This article at least paints him in a diferent light than what I had read before.
It's always funny when the truth comes out. Wasn't the whole reason he was followed was because Zimmerman suspected him of robbery (given the neighbourhood and time of day)?
And it's rather sickening that the police force does that.
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Did I miss something, they are acting like his criminal record wasn't known all along? Hell we discussed it in the original topic just days after the shooting, how is it that these facts were completely missed by the media and courts? Both the drug charges and the stolen items + tools were brought up back then.
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the fuck I had no idea waco was a tank assault that clinton ordered that killed mostly black people. Was tough in high school that it was just white cult people that got raided by swat.
So he was doing drugs, robbing lockers and because of the color of his skin he didn't go to jail for it. Had this come out at the start I doubt zimmerman would have gotten any charges to begin with.
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Zimmerman says no to ‘stand your ground’; case going straight to trial
George Zimmerman has waived his right to a pretrial hearing over whether he should be acquitted of murder charges under Florida's "stand your ground" law.
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who's charged with second-degree murder in the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, said Tuesday in court that he did not want the preliminary hearing, the Orlando Sentinel reported.
The surprising move by Zimmerman's legal team means the controversial case will go straight to trial in early June.
Zimmerman had the right under Florida's 7-year-old "stand your ground" law to argue to the judge in a special hearing without a jury that he's immune from both civil and criminal prosecution. The law, versions of which are on the books in 20 states, says people who have a reasonable belief their lives are in danger in a public place can harm an attacker without first attempting to retreat.
The 29-year-old says he acted in self defense when Martin attacked him on Feb. 26, 2012. Prosecutors say Zimmerman profiled Martin, pursuing him around the neighborhood, and then confronting and killing him with his gun.
Jose Baez, an Orlando area defense attorney who worked on the Casey Anthony trial, said he thinks the decision to pass up the immunity hearing means Zimmerman's attorneys are going for an "all or nothing" defense and don't want to show their hand too early.
"The defense doesn't want to give the prosecution a preview of its defense should they lose on the 'stand your ground' hearing when it comes trial time," theorized Baez. "Obviously, a prosecutor would be much better prepared after he's had his shot to cross examine Mr. Zimmerman. He can only get better at it the more he does it."
But the choice to forgo the hearing means that even if Zimmerman is acquitted of charges in trial, he can still face civil prosecution. Martin's parents have already won a civil settlement in excess of $1 million from Zimmerman's homeowners' association.
Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he may still argue that his client deserves immunity under the law in the full trial. The lawyers argue that Zimmerman was acting in self defense and could not be convicted on murder charges even without the "stand your ground" law.
Zimmerman has lived in hiding since he was released on bail.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/zimmerman-passes-stand-ground-hearing-chance-immunity-192058221.html
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On April 18 2013 08:53 dAPhREAk wrote:Police buried Trayvon's criminal history Show nested quote +Some deaths are more politically useful than others.
Twenty years ago this week, the Clinton administration ordered a tank assault on the Mount Carmel community, killing 39 racial minorities, 26 of them black. The Clintons and the media suppressed the racial data so rigorously that I doubt even Al Sharpton knows about the black dead at Waco.
A year ago Feb. 26, neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., and within a month every sentient person on the planet knew “Trayvon” by name.
What they did not know was Martin’s background. Sanford Police Department (SPD) investigator Chris Serino, for instance, said publicly of Martin, “This child has no criminal record whatsoever.” He called Martin “a good kid, a mild-mannered kid.” The media almost universally sustained this tragically false narrative.
Martin had the seeming good fortune of attending school in the Miami-Dade School District, the fourth-largest district in the country and one of the few with its own police department.
For a variety of reasons, none of them good, elements within the SPD and the Miami-Dade School District Police Department, or M-DSPD, conspired to keep Martin’s criminal history buried.
See Jack Cashill’s stunning work, in “Deconstructing Obama,” “First Strike,” “Hoodwinked,” “Officer’s Oath” and more.
As part of its mission the M-DSPD was allegedly trying to divert offending students, especially black males, from the criminal justice system. As the Martin death would prove, the M-DSPD diverted offending students to nothing beyond its own statistical glory.
The exposure of M-DSPD practices began inadvertently on March 26, 2012, when the Miami Herald, the one mainstream outlet to do real reporting on the case, ran a story on Martin’s background.
The Herald’s headline, “Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin,” should have caused the other media to seek the truth about the very nearly sanctified Martin.
It did not. What it did do was to cause M-DSPD Police Chief Charles Hurley to launch a major Internal Affairs (IA) investigation into the possible leak of this information to the Herald.
At the end of the day, Hurley rather wished he had not. The detectives questioned told the truth about Martin and about the policies that kept him out of the justice system. Hurley would be demoted and forced out of the department within a year.
We now know what the detectives revealed thanks to a recently fulfilled Freedom of Information Act request filed by the dogged researchers at a blogging collective known as The Conservative Treehouse. The “Treepers” have literally done more good work on the Martin case than all the newsrooms in America combined.
On Feb. 15, 2012, 11 days before Martin’s death, the Miami-Dade County Public Schools put out a press release boasting of a 60 percent decline in school-based arrests, the largest decline by far in the state.
“While our work is not completed, we are making tremendous progress in moving toward a pure prevention model,” Hurley told the Tampa Bay Times, “with enforcement as a last resort and an emphasis on education.”
Hurley’s detectives, all of them veterans with excellent records, told a different story under oath when questioned by Internal Affairs. They knew the shell game was about to be exposed upon first learning that Martin was one of their students and outside agencies would be requesting his records.
“Oh, God, oh, my God, oh, God,” one major reportedly said when first looking at Martin’s data. He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.
In each case, the case file on Martin was fudged to make the crime less serious than it was. As one detective told IA, the arrest statistics coming out of Martin’s school, Michael Krop Senior, had been “quite high,” and the detectives “needed to find some way to lower the stats.” This directive allegedly came from Hurley.
“Chief Hurley, for the past year, has been telling his command staff to lower the arrest rates,” confirmed another high-ranking detective.
When asked by IA whether the M-DSPD was avoiding making arrests, that detective replied, “What Chief Hurley said on the record is that he commends the officer for using his discretion. What Chief Hurley really meant is that he’s commended the officer for falsifying a police report.”
The IA interrogators seemed stunned by what they were hearing. They asked one female detective incredulously if she were actually ordered to “falsify reports.” She answered, “Pretty much, yes.”
Once the top brass understood that the Martin case had the potential to expose the reason for the department’s stunning drop in crime, they told the detectives “to make sure they start writing reports as is; don’t omit anything.”
“Oh, now, the chief wants us to write reports as is,” said a Hispanic detective sarcastically, “and not omit anything, as we have been advised in the past?”
The IA investigation delved into the paranoid concern that the M-DSPD was sharing information about Martin with other relevant police departments as it routinely did in other multi-jurisdictional cases.
The one detective who sent information to the Sanford PD came under heavy fire. He was appalled. “Currently, our department is functioning and operating out of fear,” he told the IA. “It is tragic to see that I’ve been disciplined at the direction of Chief Hurley.”
As it turned out, Hurley need not have worried about the SPD. As the Conservative Treehouse reports, the information sent by the M-DSPD “disappeared down the rabbit hole and was not included in the final victimology report filed by Sanford Detective Serino.”
Serino was the Martin-friendly detective who had insisted that Martin “has no criminal record whatsoever,” calling him, “a good kid, a mild-mannered kid.”
In Hurley’s defense, school districts across the country had been feeling pressure from the nation’s race hustlers to think twice before disciplining black students. Last year, the White House formalized the pressure with an executive order warning school districts to avoid “methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools.”
Jesse Jackson brought this nonsense home to Sanford during a large April 1, 2012, rally. He implied that Martin had been profiled by his high school for being a black male and suspended for the same reason. “We must stop suspending our children,” Jackson told the crowd.
In a way, Jackson was right. Martin should not have been suspended. He should have been arrested on both occasions. Had he been, his parents and his teachers would have known how desperately far he had gone astray.
Instead, Martin was “diverted” into nothing useful. Just days after his non-arrest, he was allowed to wander the streets of Sanford high and alone looking, in Zimmerman’s immortal words, “like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something.”
At the end of the day, Martin had avoided becoming an arrest statistic, only to become a statistic of a much graver kind. http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/
Unbelievable, sounds like something straight out of The Wire...
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Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.
Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.
The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.
anyways, the motion:
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/mot_for_evidentiary_hearing.pdf
and an article:
Zimmerman questions use of voice recognition expert at trial in Trayvon Martin killing
Former neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman is questioning the expected use of a voice recognition expert at his murder trial next month.
Zimmerman's attorney filed a motion made public Monday asking for a hearing to determine whether testimony from the expert would be allowed.
Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year in a gated community in Sanford during a struggle. Zimmerman is pleading not guilty.
Neighbors called 911 during the struggle and cries of help can be heard on the calls. Martin's family claims the voice is that of the South Florida teen.
Zimmerman's father has said in court he believes the cries are from his son.
Zimmerman's attorney says jurors could be confused by a voice expert's testimony.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/06/zimmerman-questions-use-voice-recognition-expert-at-trial-in-trayvon-martin/#ixzz2SjtmQUgv
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I was wondering what happened to this case.
At my university, a cartoonist was kicked out of the school newspaper after posting a cartoon questioning the motives of the media in this case.
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On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.
Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.
The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.
Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.
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On May 03 2013 17:13 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 08:53 dAPhREAk wrote:Police buried Trayvon's criminal history Some deaths are more politically useful than others.
Twenty years ago this week, the Clinton administration ordered a tank assault on the Mount Carmel community, killing 39 racial minorities, 26 of them black. The Clintons and the media suppressed the racial data so rigorously that I doubt even Al Sharpton knows about the black dead at Waco.
A year ago Feb. 26, neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., and within a month every sentient person on the planet knew “Trayvon” by name.
What they did not know was Martin’s background. Sanford Police Department (SPD) investigator Chris Serino, for instance, said publicly of Martin, “This child has no criminal record whatsoever.” He called Martin “a good kid, a mild-mannered kid.” The media almost universally sustained this tragically false narrative.
Martin had the seeming good fortune of attending school in the Miami-Dade School District, the fourth-largest district in the country and one of the few with its own police department.
For a variety of reasons, none of them good, elements within the SPD and the Miami-Dade School District Police Department, or M-DSPD, conspired to keep Martin’s criminal history buried.
See Jack Cashill’s stunning work, in “Deconstructing Obama,” “First Strike,” “Hoodwinked,” “Officer’s Oath” and more.
As part of its mission the M-DSPD was allegedly trying to divert offending students, especially black males, from the criminal justice system. As the Martin death would prove, the M-DSPD diverted offending students to nothing beyond its own statistical glory.
The exposure of M-DSPD practices began inadvertently on March 26, 2012, when the Miami Herald, the one mainstream outlet to do real reporting on the case, ran a story on Martin’s background.
The Herald’s headline, “Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin,” should have caused the other media to seek the truth about the very nearly sanctified Martin.
It did not. What it did do was to cause M-DSPD Police Chief Charles Hurley to launch a major Internal Affairs (IA) investigation into the possible leak of this information to the Herald.
At the end of the day, Hurley rather wished he had not. The detectives questioned told the truth about Martin and about the policies that kept him out of the justice system. Hurley would be demoted and forced out of the department within a year.
We now know what the detectives revealed thanks to a recently fulfilled Freedom of Information Act request filed by the dogged researchers at a blogging collective known as The Conservative Treehouse. The “Treepers” have literally done more good work on the Martin case than all the newsrooms in America combined.
On Feb. 15, 2012, 11 days before Martin’s death, the Miami-Dade County Public Schools put out a press release boasting of a 60 percent decline in school-based arrests, the largest decline by far in the state.
“While our work is not completed, we are making tremendous progress in moving toward a pure prevention model,” Hurley told the Tampa Bay Times, “with enforcement as a last resort and an emphasis on education.”
Hurley’s detectives, all of them veterans with excellent records, told a different story under oath when questioned by Internal Affairs. They knew the shell game was about to be exposed upon first learning that Martin was one of their students and outside agencies would be requesting his records.
“Oh, God, oh, my God, oh, God,” one major reportedly said when first looking at Martin’s data. He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.
In each case, the case file on Martin was fudged to make the crime less serious than it was. As one detective told IA, the arrest statistics coming out of Martin’s school, Michael Krop Senior, had been “quite high,” and the detectives “needed to find some way to lower the stats.” This directive allegedly came from Hurley.
“Chief Hurley, for the past year, has been telling his command staff to lower the arrest rates,” confirmed another high-ranking detective.
When asked by IA whether the M-DSPD was avoiding making arrests, that detective replied, “What Chief Hurley said on the record is that he commends the officer for using his discretion. What Chief Hurley really meant is that he’s commended the officer for falsifying a police report.”
The IA interrogators seemed stunned by what they were hearing. They asked one female detective incredulously if she were actually ordered to “falsify reports.” She answered, “Pretty much, yes.”
Once the top brass understood that the Martin case had the potential to expose the reason for the department’s stunning drop in crime, they told the detectives “to make sure they start writing reports as is; don’t omit anything.”
“Oh, now, the chief wants us to write reports as is,” said a Hispanic detective sarcastically, “and not omit anything, as we have been advised in the past?”
The IA investigation delved into the paranoid concern that the M-DSPD was sharing information about Martin with other relevant police departments as it routinely did in other multi-jurisdictional cases.
The one detective who sent information to the Sanford PD came under heavy fire. He was appalled. “Currently, our department is functioning and operating out of fear,” he told the IA. “It is tragic to see that I’ve been disciplined at the direction of Chief Hurley.”
As it turned out, Hurley need not have worried about the SPD. As the Conservative Treehouse reports, the information sent by the M-DSPD “disappeared down the rabbit hole and was not included in the final victimology report filed by Sanford Detective Serino.”
Serino was the Martin-friendly detective who had insisted that Martin “has no criminal record whatsoever,” calling him, “a good kid, a mild-mannered kid.”
In Hurley’s defense, school districts across the country had been feeling pressure from the nation’s race hustlers to think twice before disciplining black students. Last year, the White House formalized the pressure with an executive order warning school districts to avoid “methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools.”
Jesse Jackson brought this nonsense home to Sanford during a large April 1, 2012, rally. He implied that Martin had been profiled by his high school for being a black male and suspended for the same reason. “We must stop suspending our children,” Jackson told the crowd.
In a way, Jackson was right. Martin should not have been suspended. He should have been arrested on both occasions. Had he been, his parents and his teachers would have known how desperately far he had gone astray.
Instead, Martin was “diverted” into nothing useful. Just days after his non-arrest, he was allowed to wander the streets of Sanford high and alone looking, in Zimmerman’s immortal words, “like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something.”
At the end of the day, Martin had avoided becoming an arrest statistic, only to become a statistic of a much graver kind. http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/ Unbelievable, sounds like something straight out of The Wire...
Ahhah this news story,
"and within a month every sentient person on the planet knew “Trayvon” by name."
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/#ywqB8ZPwiwG2ULQD.99
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On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.
Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.
The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.
Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.
sadly as much as I disagree with dAPhREAk philosophically and dislike many of his political stances, that does in fact describe juries today. Almost anyone who can get out of being on a jury does so, simply because it's quite a bit of time that they could spend on their personal interests.
If they should do so, is quite a different question. Personally I've spent 48 hours sitting in a jury when i was called, but frankly it was the most boring days of my life in the most clear cut case I could possibly imagine (including fully confessed suspect and eyewitnesses). The fact remains, that many many people try their hardest to ditch it.
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On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.
Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.
The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.
Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.
im sorry you disagree with how the justice system works. i have gone through jury selections. the smart jurors figure out how to get out of jury duty unless they are retired. retired individuals tend to have nothing better to do so they want to sit on juries. you may like to think that everyone wants to do their civic duty, but it rarely happens. everyone tries to get off. its such a common occurrence that our jury consultants advise us of the fact.
edit: why do you say "claims?" are you questioning whether i am in fact a lawyer? lol.
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On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.
Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.
The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.
Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder.
The court system treats jurors like slaves pretty much... show up here, sit around, sit around some more, find out you're on the jury, show up, sit around, sit around, miss work, sit around, get paid a piddling $15 a day to be a juror, sometimes you don't even get a lunch per diem...
It's total nonsense to ask people to basically give up at least one paycheck in return for about 200 dollars to be a juror for 2 weeks. And of course a lot of the time trials are much longer than that...
If the government properly compensated jurors, people wouldn't try to get out of jury duty.
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On May 09 2013 09:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.
Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.
The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.
Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder. The court system treats jurors like slaves pretty much... show up here, sit around, sit around some more, find out you're on the jury, show up, sit around, sit around, miss work, sit around, get paid a piddling $15 a day to be a juror, sometimes you don't even get a lunch per diem... It's total nonsense to ask people to basically give up at least one paycheck in return for about 200 dollars to be a juror for 2 weeks. And of course a lot of the time trials are much longer than that... If the government properly compensated jurors, people wouldn't try to get out of jury duty.
"professional jurors" has always been a topic of hot debate, and it is an interesting discussion. however, most people point to the fact that if you want a "professional juror" then you should arbitrate your disputes--of course that is limited to parties that can afford the enormous arbitration fees so is inaccessible in most criminal trials. =)
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On May 09 2013 09:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 07:14 heliusx wrote:On May 09 2013 06:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
Zimmerman is challenging a voice recognition expert's testimony in court. Recall, the 911 tapes have a voice screaming help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son, but then changed his testimony and said it was his son. Zimmerman claims it is him; Zimmerman's father says it is his son's voice.
Zimmerman has made a Daubert/Frye motion, which is basically a motion saying the expert testimony is unreliable, lacks foundation and/or is improper. The Court is required to act as a gatekeeper to see whether the evidence is properly presented to the jury.
The impact of this motion is huge. Juries tend to give credit to "experts" despite the fact that most are paid whores, and if the DA puts on an expert saying he did such and such bullshit analysis with blinking lights and revolving knobs, juries (who tend not to be the brightest individuals considering they couldnt figure out how to get out of jury duty) tend to give expert opinions undue weight.
Yeah stupid idiots, how could they be so retarded... Only an idiot wouldn't weasel their way out of one of the few services their country asks of them... It takes a really bright person to regurgitate that line, but coming from someone who claims to be involved in the justice system makes it even sadder. The court system treats jurors like slaves pretty much... show up here, sit around, sit around some more, find out you're on the jury, show up, sit around, sit around, miss work, sit around, get paid a piddling $15 a day to be a juror, sometimes you don't even get a lunch per diem... It's total nonsense to ask people to basically give up at least one paycheck in return for about 200 dollars to be a juror for 2 weeks. And of course a lot of the time trials are much longer than that... If the government properly compensated jurors, people wouldn't try to get out of jury duty.
Yes, they do treat you like slaves and I won't deny there should be massive overhaul in the way they treat and compensate people. But to call people who decide to stick it out and fulfill their obligation stupid is idiotic and insulting.
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Do you have any information from a source that isn't complete trash? Just look at the books the guy that made this article wrote:
http://imgur.com/aO1wKuj
Not to mention that the site is SUPER conservative on top of that.
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