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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 11 2013 18:06 GMT
#7061
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.
Ldawg
Profile Joined December 2011
United States328 Posts
July 11 2013 18:06 GMT
#7062
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.


I agree. Hopefully the jurors base their decision primarily (hopefully solely?) on the question, "Did the prosecution prove Zimmerman guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?".
"Terran so...ice cream!" MKP/MC at HSC IV
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 11 2013 18:06 GMT
#7063
On July 12 2013 03:05 nihlon wrote:
This is more like the movie trials we are used to.

except that they have a much stronger argument in a movie trial.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 11 2013 18:08 GMT
#7064
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

One might also call it a good plan. The human element is a key part of the jury.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Ldawg
Profile Joined December 2011
United States328 Posts
July 11 2013 18:08 GMT
#7065
Is it too late for someone to create an in-thread Poll? It will be just like the LRs! Actually maybe this wouldn't be a good idea.
"Terran so...ice cream!" MKP/MC at HSC IV
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 11 2013 18:08 GMT
#7066
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

That doesn't make it any more correct.
I'd argue that this is worse because the state, a party that is supposed to be concerned with justice rather than winning a case, is doing this.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 11 2013 18:09 GMT
#7067
On July 12 2013 03:08 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

That doesn't make it any more correct.
I'd argue that this is worse because the state, a party that is supposed to be concerned with justice rather than winning a case, is doing this.

The Defense is going to do the exact same thing, have no doubt. It is standard practice when dealing with a jury.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 11 2013 18:10 GMT
#7068
On July 12 2013 03:08 Ldawg wrote:
Is it too late for someone to create an in-thread Poll? It will be just like the LRs! Actually maybe this wouldn't be a good idea.

there was a thread like 10-15 pages back or so. More voted not guilty than guilty.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 11 2013 18:10 GMT
#7069
On July 12 2013 03:08 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

That doesn't make it any more correct.
I'd argue that this is worse because the state, a party that is supposed to be concerned with justice rather than winning a case, is doing this.

Well, I'm not prepared to say that this is a case where the prosecution has the ethical duty to dismiss the charges. Until that point, the prosecution has a job to do.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 11 2013 18:10 GMT
#7070
On July 12 2013 03:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

One might also call it a good plan. The human element is a key part of the jury.



which goes back to our conversation on ethics and morality by the state (not just in this case but in general). :D~
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 18:12:32
July 11 2013 18:11 GMT
#7071
On July 12 2013 03:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:08 LegalLord wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

That doesn't make it any more correct.
I'd argue that this is worse because the state, a party that is supposed to be concerned with justice rather than winning a case, is doing this.

The Defense is going to do the exact same thing, have no doubt. It is standard practice when dealing with a jury.

Sure, but having evidence is standard practice as well.

On July 12 2013 03:10 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:08 LegalLord wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

That doesn't make it any more correct.
I'd argue that this is worse because the state, a party that is supposed to be concerned with justice rather than winning a case, is doing this.

Well, I'm not prepared to say that this is a case where the prosecution has the ethical duty to dismiss the charges. Until that point, the prosecution has a job to do.

Arguable. I personally doubt a case like this would have passed a normal grand jury.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 11 2013 18:12 GMT
#7072
On July 12 2013 03:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:08 LegalLord wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

That doesn't make it any more correct.
I'd argue that this is worse because the state, a party that is supposed to be concerned with justice rather than winning a case, is doing this.

The Defense is going to do the exact same thing, have no doubt. It is standard practice when dealing with a jury.


Oh, I have a feeling that the Defense is going to go through the evidence piece by piece, witness by witness, point out that prosecution witnesses didn't see she except for JOHN GOOD, and make sure those mothers on the jury identify George as someone protecting them from being put in the position that that burglary victim was put in in August 2011.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 18:14:36
July 11 2013 18:12 GMT
#7073
On July 12 2013 03:10 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:08 LegalLord wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

That doesn't make it any more correct.
I'd argue that this is worse because the state, a party that is supposed to be concerned with justice rather than winning a case, is doing this.

Well, I'm not prepared to say that this is a case where the prosecution has the ethical duty to dismiss the charges. Until that point, the prosecution has a job to do.


Of course they do, they rely on lying to the jury to win their case!! how much more unecthical can you be? if he can't tell the jury the truth to get a conviction, what makes him think the guy is guilty? Pontius Pilate had a job to do too.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 11 2013 18:13 GMT
#7074
Bernie, telling the jurors to use common sense isn't going to help your case.
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
July 11 2013 18:13 GMT
#7075
just waiting for him to end it like the movie 'a time to kill'

"can you picture him? i want you to picture the boy. now imagine he's white"

lol
byah!
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
July 11 2013 18:15 GMT
#7076
I wonder if the prosecution thinks they have a chance.......I mean you never know they get some pretty stupid people on the jury stand sometime



IDK what I'll do if hes found guilty, considering how bad the states arguments have been......
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 11 2013 18:15 GMT
#7077
On July 12 2013 03:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:10 xDaunt wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:08 LegalLord wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:06 xDaunt wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Blatant attempt to abuse the human element of a jury if I've ever seen one.

In fairness, attorneys do this all of the time.

That doesn't make it any more correct.
I'd argue that this is worse because the state, a party that is supposed to be concerned with justice rather than winning a case, is doing this.

Well, I'm not prepared to say that this is a case where the prosecution has the ethical duty to dismiss the charges. Until that point, the prosecution has a job to do.


Of course they do, they rely on lying to the jury to win their case!! how much more unecthical can you be? if he can't tell the jury the truth to get a conviction, what makes him think the guy is guilty? Pontius Pilate had a job to do too.

He has the manslaughter charge in there, so the Jury has that to consider. And the Defense will object if he flat out lies.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
July 11 2013 18:16 GMT
#7078
This thread is full to the brim with Law and Order outrage. Pretty amusing.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
July 11 2013 18:16 GMT
#7079
"Some took more notes than others." --BDLR, speaking of the notes taken by jurors. That sounds like a giant blunder to me, if he makes some jurors feel like they weren't doing a great job. I'd be more likely to be turned off by that then suddenly start caring (maybe he's going for some negative reinforcement or w/e that "challenge" tactic is).
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 11 2013 18:16 GMT
#7080
On July 12 2013 03:15 AllHailTheDead wrote:
IDK what I'll do if hes found guilty, considering how bad the states arguments have been......

Seems like there's a pretty good case for the defense to appeal, if it comes to that.
There's been a fair share of funny business in this case.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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